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apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/4/2020 2:22:49 AM)

12 Dec 43

The enemy drydock ARD Haiphong had fled Manila and has been at Bataan for a few days, in a task force by itself. It's been a bit comical as US minesweepers have engaged the drydock many times as they go back and forth between Bataan and Manila. Only once was a shell fired at the drydock, and it missed. All other times, both sides declined combat. I wasn't too worried about it getting away. I sent some PT-boats to Manila and they engaged and sank the drydock with a torpedo.

At Batan Island, the US destroyers were set to bombard the island and go home. Before that could happen, an enemy task force appeared. The first fight was short and inconclusive. Remember that the US ships had used some ammo the night before, sinking 4 E-boats, and AG and an xAP at Batan Island.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Batan Island at 85,70, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Chokai, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Yura
DD Kamikaze
DD Harukaze, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
DD Bradford, Shell hits 1
DD Bush
DD Chauncey
DD Conner
DD Hazelwood
DD Hoel
DD Sigsbee

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 100% moonlight: 12,000 yards


The second fight, during the day, was longer and bloodier.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Batan Island at 85,70, Range 23,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 2
CA Chokai, Shell hits 2
CL Yura, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Harukaze, Shell hits 2, heavy damage
DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Bradford, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Bush
DD Chauncey
DD Conner
DD Hazelwood
DD Hoel, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Sigsbee, Shell hits 1, on fire


The Fletcher class destroyers Hoel and Sigsbee sank on the way home. They were hit hard by the cruisers, mostly from Takao. Bradford is SYS 31/FLOT 27-11/ENG 7/FIRE 0, but it will be fine at Manila. Nice to have a size 20 shipyard so close now. One enemy destroyer is in danger of sinking.

Really good luck in the skies over Wuchow. Enemy bombers appeared, but no enemy fighters. Normally there are escorts and lots of sweepers. 27 Nicks ran into 7 P-66s, 7 Spitfires, 13 A-36s, 11 P-40Ks and 13 P-40N5s, all on LRCAP. 8 Nicks were downed, taking 3 P-40Ks, 2 A-36s, 1 P-66 and 1 P-40N with them. Then 33 Sonias appeared, and every one was shot down. Allied planes are then ordered back to Chungking.

US troops attacked at Ternate for the first time. Poor odds but good results. Didn't touch the forts though.

Ground combat at Ternate (78,102)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13232 troops, 256 guns, 297 vehicles, Assault Value = 422

Defending force 7773 troops, 56 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 199

Allied adjusted assault: 159

Japanese adjusted defense: 427

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
414 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
154th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
98th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
138th Infantry Regiment
6th Indpt SNLF Coy
38th Field Const Co
8th JAAF AF Bn
28th Fld AA Gun Co
11th Port Unit
67th JAAF AF Bn


And the undefended and unimportant base of Terapo, near Port Moresby, was captured.

The Formosa invasion armada will continue towards the island, minus the big carriers who are lagging behind.

The saga of the Grunion continues. So close to safety, and yet so far.

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Lowpe -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/4/2020 12:22:12 PM)

This is the kind of pushing battle Japan simply has a difficult time countering, but it seems Japan is not doing itself many favors here.

The critical inner defensive line of Japan seems very poorly defended, or prepared.


Do you have any recon on Ishigaki and neighbors?





apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/4/2020 3:12:04 PM)

I don't fault OPilot for his defenses. I think he had an impossible task after Timor fell. I could pick multiple directions to go from there, and the Japanese cannot defend everything. OPilot did a good job at Ambon. I landed a Marine division and support long ago, and almost took the island against a weak defense. He used his carriers and brought in a division to help defend. It's been a stalemate there, for many months, since. I chose not to commit my carriers to affect the Ambon battle. I stuck to my offensive plans for the Celebes and Java.

I brought 4 divisions to Mindanao and 5 divisions to Luzon. If Mindanao had more enemy troops, besides the big stack at Davao, I would have bypassed it as originally intended. It's possible that my activity in Thailand drew enemy reinforcements that could have gone to the Philippines. The same can be said for China, with my push towards Canton and Hong Kong.

I have not done recon at Ishigaki and the two nearby islands. I have some interest in those islands, but if I do recon, OPilot notices and sometimes reacts to that. As of today, these islands show no sign of base building.




Lowpe -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/4/2020 8:47:30 PM)

Didn't mean to be critical, but rather disappointed in Japan's situation. I have been were Japan is and far, far worse off. [sm=00000030.gif]

What Japan desperately needs is 2-3 months lull for them to prepare and they aren't going to get it. You will have heavy bomber capable of reaching Honshu well before any of the fighter squadron resizing, AA upgrades and reinforcements start arriving in 1st qtr 44.

I always wished that more of Japan's reinforcements were tied to trigger events.

Penetrating that Luzon to Guam defensive perimeter should be hard and you are going to jump right past it. You have had a masterful game![:)]





apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/4/2020 9:24:19 PM)

OPilot did reinforce in places. He did so at Truk. It has been slightly overstacked for more than a year. I was very close to invading it, then I cancelled the operation. With my activity in the Marshalls, he then seriously reinforced the Mariannas. But he didn't know that I had no plans to go there. He has also reinforced Babeldaob, to some extent.

If he reinforced China, as I think he did, then my southern Chinese offensive worked, even though it was a failure in taking Canton and threatening Hong Kong. He's had to keep a strong commitment to Thailand also, in the face of an offensive where I pushed to contact but didn't have the strength to do more.

I'll be very happy to finish the Formosa invasion before January 1944, and before any kamikaze activations.




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/5/2020 4:14:57 AM)

No turn today. OPilot said that the replay took a long time and was full of action. I'm a bit nervous, having sent the Formosa invasion task forces into harm's way with just escort carriers covering. We'll see what happens tomorrow.




Bif1961 -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/5/2020 9:11:54 PM)

Action Baby, can't wait for the outcome.




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/6/2020 6:12:45 AM)

13 Dec 43

Sub Billfish spotted a big xAK convoy near Shanghai and hit PB Chosa Maru with a torpedo, probably sinking the patrol boat. Billfish was hit by 2 depth charges and has serious damage. It will retire to Naga for temporary repairs. It will go east of Luzon instead of west in order to avoid the many sub chasers in the area.

Dutch sub KIX sank ACM Wa 16 north of Kuching.

OPilot said there was lots of action in the replay. There was lots of action in the air over Takao, but not much else. There was a very strong CAP over Takao to begin with. 26 Zeros, 27 Georges and 70 Oscars were up. 18 Corsairs from a CVE swept first, downing many planes but losing many planes also. Then 11 P-38Hs from Manila swept, downing a few planes and losing a few. Then 22 more P-38Hs, which did better, as the enemy was being whittled down. Then 53 B-24s arrived. Some were damaged but they destroyed many planes on the ground, sunk ACM Wa 4, and did light damage to some ground troops. Then 8 more Liberators. Then 20 more P-38Hs, which did very well. Then 7 more B-24s and several small fragment raids of P-38s.

9 TBFs from the CVE task force sank AMc Ogashima at Hengchun, Formosa. 18 Judys went after the lead task forces, covered by only 16 fighters from the CVE task force one hex away. Every Judy was shot down. A bigger strike with some escorts would have done some damage. I think that my move towards Formosa was not expected. Enemy subs were close to the Luzon coast.

2 US divisions crushed 2 airbase support units at Cabanatuan, east of Clark. US bombers hit Clark, and then the US troops attacked. It didn't go very well.

Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 39466 troops, 691 guns, 768 vehicles, Assault Value = 1202

Defending force 23141 troops, 351 guns, 364 vehicles, Assault Value = 404

Allied adjusted assault: 502

Japanese adjusted defense: 526

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (10 destroyed, 37 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1620 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 35 (12 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 92 (6 destroyed, 86 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th USMC Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
33rd Infantry Division
18th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
Americal Infantry Division
762nd Tank Battalion
147th Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
226th Field Artillery Battalion
I US Corps
205th Field Artillery Battalion
602nd Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
2nd Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
30th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
101st Machine Canno AA Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Air Flotilla
20th AA Regiment
12th Mortar Battalion
5th JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Army
16th Army
31st Special Base Force
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
60th Field AA Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
5th Air Division
16th AA Regiment
9th RF Gun Battalion
21th JNAF AF Unit
1st JNAF AF Unit
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
24th JAAF AF Bn


The enemy still shows movement out of Clark, but that could be non-combat troops. US artillery will attack while the troops regroup. More bombers will support.

Formosa will be invaded.

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apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/7/2020 3:03:07 AM)

14 Dec 43

Sub Pampanito sank patrol boat Chosa Maru near Shanghai. The same patrol boat was hit by Billfish and presumably sunk then.

OPilot surprised me near Kudat, at the northeastern tip of Borneo. I had a big task force of small ships unloading supply there for a couple of days. In the past, I've seen a cruiser task force north of Borneo, within striking range. But when I spotted it, it always disappeared afterwards. This time, I didn't see it coming.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Banggi at 69,85, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CL Nagara
DD Fubuki
DD Shinonome
DD Usugumo
DD Shirakumo
DD Isonami

Allied Ships
SC-634, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
APc-23, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
APc-24, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
APc-25, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
APc-26, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
APc-27, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
APc-28, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
APc-29, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
APc-33, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
APc-34, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
APc-35, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
APc-36, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
APc-45, Shell hits 5, and is sunk


Ugly to watch but not the end of the world. I like the APc's. They were about the size of a tugboat, and carry a bit of supply. They are good for getting into small forward bases. But there is some risk with that. I didn't have many naval bombers in the area. I wish I had, as the enemy stayed at Kudat. It's even within drop tank range of Jolo. I did have a dozen British Vengenace dive bombers at Tarakan. They got one hit on light cruiser Nagara, starting a fire.

Lots of Allied ASW work around Formosa. I-175 was engaged multiple times by task forces, took a depth charge, and still survives.

The enemy tried night naval attacks on the British combat task force and an APA task force. 8 Jills tried to hit Repulse and missed. 4 Bettys went after an APA and missed. A few enemy were downed by flak.

The Repulse task force ran into some small craft apparently fleeing Takao. The enemy lost 2 ACMs and 2 patrol boats.

DMS Perry visited Pescadores and swept a few mines. The Peng Hu Fortress engaged Perry and hit it with a small shell. I'm not invading Pescadores but I will bombard it. There's a bunch of planes there now.

A big mixed nation cruiser force went to Takao to bombard. Destroyer Dyson hit a mine. It will be ok, with FLOT 29 damage. The ships then bombarded Takao, and did well, damaging many planes and destroying 8. They did good work on the airbase and the troops too.

Kagi was invaded by US Marines and a para unit. An enemy Air Force support unit was there. It probably just moved there from Takao. It was eliminated.

US troops at Ternate got bad odds with a 1 to 9 attack and level 4 forts. The forts weren't touched, but the results weren't bad.

Japanese ground losses:
627 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
321 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


[EDIT: Sub Grunion still lives. It hasn't taken any additional damage in the past 2 days, but strangely, it hasn't moved a single hex in those 2 days either. It is still 2 hexes from safety. I didn't change any of the settings. I wonder if there is a point where the damage is just so severe that movement is impossible. I didn't think so. Hadn't see this before. Grunion is still SYS 58/FLOT 97-28/ENG 4-0/FIRE 0.

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apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/7/2020 3:45:05 AM)

Here's some information about the APc's:

APc's in WW2

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BBfanboy -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/7/2020 4:05:18 PM)

Interesting info about those APc's. They were Army vessels until 1950 - maybe that is why I hadn't heard of them.
Given they were based on a tug design, I wonder if they retained an engine powerful enough for towing and pushing. Certainly the hull form doesn't appear to be ideal for fuel efficiency.




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/8/2020 5:58:07 AM)

15 Dec 43

DMS Perry went to Pescadores to sweep mines. It swept a few, but got pounded by the Peng Hu Fortress there, and sank.

Sub Pampanito hit tanker Manju Maru with 2 torpedoes near Shanghai. The tanker was not loaded. Audio after combat says that it probably sank. Also spotted were an AS, AD, AG and AKE. These ships are believed to be fleeing Takao and heading towards Nagasaki. Pampanito sank a patrol boat in this area yesterday. Manju Maru was reportedly hit by a torpedo fired by Gunnel near Cam Ranh Bay last month.

Seahorse spotted an oddly similar task force far away near Ulithi. It had an AS, AD, AG and AKE also. Seahorse elected not to launch torpedoes at whatever ship it had picked out. Making a note to check on Seahorse's captain and his aggressiveness. Looked like some juicy targets to me.

Battleships Arizona and Oklahoma avoided the mines at Pescadores and got a good bombardment.

Night Naval bombardment of Pescadores at 84,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 10 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 50 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 27 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 10 destroyed on ground
F1M2 Pete: 1 damaged
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed on ground
J2M2 Jack: 35 damaged
J2M2 Jack: 3 destroyed on ground
B6N2 Jill: 2 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Arizona
BB Oklahoma

Japanese ground losses:
570 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 33


Actual enemy aircraft losses at Pescadores were 20 Zeros, 7 Jacks, 6 Bettys, 4 Jakes, 3 Petes and a Jill. Pretty typical that it was about twice what was reported.

Battleships Nevada and West Virginia bombarded Taihoku but found no enemy planes there. Light damage with 172 casualties and minor base damage.

Battleship Idaho is back to bombarding Davao nightly again. Moderate damage done today.

APDs dropped off a US Marine Raider unit at Vigan. Vigan has shown no enemy troops but there was a unit there to meet the Marines.

4 US DMS went to Takao to sweep mines, and the Takao Naval Base force had a lot of coastal guns. All four DMS were hit.

Dorsey SYS 34/FLOT 3-1/ENG 2/FIRE 0
Elliot SYS 11/FLOT 90-70/ENG 0/FIRE 0
Southard SYS 0/FLOT 9-1/ENG 0/FIRE 0
Hamilton SYS 11/FLOT 0/ENG 0/FIRE 0


Elliot will try to move one hex to Kagi and disband in the small port. The others will head to Manila.

The 1st Australian Para Bn dropped on Karenko on Formosa and captured the empty base.
The 3rd USMC Para Bn dropped on Hengchun on Formosa and captured the empty base.

The enemy cruiser force that ambushed my AMc's at Kudat retired towards Saigon.

My plan around Formosa is to allow one more day of unloading at Kagi, then everything retires towards Manila. Most shipping will move to Soerabaja, including carriers, battleships, sweepers, ASW, and APAs. The Mersing landing will follow.

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BBfanboy -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/8/2020 1:51:19 PM)

Re: Grunion - I believe that ships can repair damage better if they do not move during a turn, which may be why it did not move the two previous turns. Just reaching that level 1 port and disbanding will free up more crew to deal with damage - pumping out minor float damage and starting to fix systems damage. Fingers and eyes crossed!

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CaptBeefheart -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/9/2020 7:24:47 AM)

Pulling for the Grunion here. It's the little things that count in this game. [;)]

Cheers,
CB




Lowpe -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/9/2020 12:50:36 PM)

Send an AS there, and all of a sudden it becomes a size 8-9 port for repairs.[:)]




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/9/2020 4:29:08 PM)

Good idea Lowpe. My closest AS is at Jolo, so several days away. The fate of Grunion will probably be decided by then. But, as always, I'll do what I can.




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/10/2020 7:03:32 AM)

16 Dec 43

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Lowpe -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/10/2020 4:00:20 PM)

Congrats on Grunion. Nothing quite like saving a doomed ship.[:)]




CaptBeefheart -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/11/2020 4:47:09 AM)

Hip hip, hooray!

Cheers,
CB




Bif1961 -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/11/2020 3:35:14 PM)

The USS Gruinon was sunk off the Aleutions and was long lost but parts of it have been found over the past few years.




ChuckBerger -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/11/2020 10:35:41 PM)

I can picture it pulling in to "port" - diesels dead, running on two battery cells, trailing oil, maybe forward torpedo compartment completely flooded, holes in the CT, decking smashed up and hull warped and dented in multiple places... flag flying proudly




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/12/2020 1:48:21 AM)

I had another sub escorting Grunion. With it sometimes not moving even a single hex in a day, I imagined that it was being towed back.

17 Dec 43

Grampus hit I-155 with a torpedo near Wenchow. I-155 had been hit by depth charges yesterday or the day before. No doubt it was running on the surface due to previous damage.

I-32 fired 6 torpedoes at CVL Princeton near Takao. One torpedo hit. It was a dud.

Sawfish hit xAP Hakone Maru with 2 torpedoes near Amami Oshima. One was a dud. No troops on board. OPilot is attending to the islands between mainland Japan and Okinawa. The transport had been hit with a torpedo from Pompon near Truk back in July 1943.

Also, Chinhae was built to a size 1 airfield. The base is on the south coast of Korea. This shows OPilot's interest in this area. It makes sense. Japan's connection to Manchuria and China will be through the south coast of Korea.

I-2 sank SC-699 with a torpedo near Tawi Tawi. It took some survivable damage in return.

I didn't think OPilot would send in the battleships after being spotted on their approach, but he did. First, they tangled inconclusively with PT boats, during the day:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Iloilo at 79,84, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CL Natori
DD Isokaze
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze

Allied Ships
PT-159
PT-170
PT-171
PT-172
PT-173
PT-174

BB Kongo collides with DD Tanikaze at 79 , 84


The only hit was self-inflicted on the Japanese side. No damage noted from the collision in later combat reporting, but the destroyer probably took some. The enemy found a small cargo task force unloading at Iloilo.

Allied Ships
PC Ariadne, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
xAK Ping Wo, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Taiyuan, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


The enemy then bombarded, and did good work. Fortunately, I had evacuated all of the flyable heavy and medium bombers, leaving just the damaged ones to be destroyed. 10 planes were destroyed on the ground: 4 P-47s, 3 B-25s, 2 B-24s and a PV-1.

Naval bombardment of Iloilo at 79,84

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 31 damaged
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed on ground
F-5A Lightning: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 44 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-5 Dauntless: 11 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 16 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed on ground
PV-1 Ventura: 14 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed on ground
B-24J Liberator: 29 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Kongo
CL Natori

Allied ground losses:
910 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Manpower hits 4
Fires 1586
Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 61
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 1


I didn't think OPilot would send in the BBs, but I prepared as if he would, because he could. One thing I wasn't prepared for was fixing up the base at Iloilo. The many engineers that were there for the construction moved on to Luzon and Formosa. Not many engineers left to deal with the massive damage. More will be shipped in now.

Many land based bombers, mostly dive bombers, attacked the enemy ships, who had no air cover. The morning weather was severe storms.

36 SBD-5s and 3 SB2C-1Cs:
BB Kongo
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB Kirishima


23 SB2C-1Cs:
BB Kongo
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 3


18 SBD-5s:
[BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1
BB Hiei, on fire


18 SBD-5s:
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Hamakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1


18 SBD-5s:
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei, on fire
DD Urakaze


In the afternoon, more attacks. Afternoon weather was light rain. Accuracy increased.

29 SBD-5s and 3 SB2C-1Cs:
BB Kirishima
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 5


23 SB2C-1Cs:
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 6, on fire
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1, on fire


16 SBD-5s:
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB Kirishima, on fire


14 Beaufighter VIc's attacking on the deck:
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Hamakaze
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 4


East south-east of Mindanao, bombers went after another unprotected battleship task force. Light rain here too. Worth noting that 75mm gun hits were observed on destroyers.

18 SBD-5s:
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 3
BB Nagato
BB Ise, Bomb hits 1
CL Oyodo


8 B-25D1s:
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 1
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 14
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 2
BB Ise, Bomb hits 6
DD Nagatsuki, Shell hits 6
DD Samidare, Shell hits 9


8 B-25D1s:
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 2
DD Yamakaze
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 4, on fire
DD Samidare, Shell hits 1


8 B-25Gs on the deck:
BB Ise, Bomb hits 7, on fire
DD Fumizuki, Shell hits 6
DD Harusame, Shell hits 3
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 5, on fire
DD Nagatsuki
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 3
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 2
DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 4
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 3


Enemy ship flak took down a total of 7 divebombers and 1 B-25.

US troops attacked again at Ternate. The enemy is slowly collapsing.

Grunion lowered its FLOT damage by 1, but its ENG damage went up 1 to 5. I think it will be ok. An AS will disband into the port today, and should help.

The big armada leaving Formosa was in bad weather today, heading back to the southwest. None of the many task forces in the hex were spotted. The CVE task force lingered near Takao, not having been ordered to follow the others as I would have wanted. They were seen but not attacked. They leave today also.

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CaptBeefheart -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/12/2020 6:22:46 AM)

Funny how Chinhae popped up in this AAR. Back in 1995-98 I had a pass to the Chiefs' Club at the small USN sub base there.

Cheers,
CB




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/13/2020 5:20:45 PM)

18 Dec 43

Battleships Kongo, Hiei and Kirishima tangle with PT boats again at Iloilo. Combat was very, very short, with hardly any shells fired, and contact broken at the initial contact range of 12,000 yards.

A British surface group led by Repulse bombarded San Fernando and went to Manila. Minor base damage and 421 casualties. A US cruiser force led by Chester bombarded Lingayen and went to Manila. Only 56 casualties and light base damage. 10 Fletcher class destroyers bombarded Vigan, causing 303 casualties and moderate base damage. The DDs then went to Manila. These task forces were headed to Manila after the Formosa operation. Might as well bombard the enemy on the way home.

Near Babeldaob, Dutch sub O16 fired 6 torpedoes at battleship Ise, but missed. Hyuga and Mutsu are with Ise.

The Japanese made a major air effort over Kagi. 2 P-47 squadrons were on CAP, and they did well, but were eventually worn down and outnumbered.

42 Franks swept. Thunderbolts did well.
3 Georges swept. All were shot down.
24 Sallys and 31 Helens attacked the airfield and port. Many bombers were shot down. One bomb hit DMS Elliot in port, sinking her. She was already 90+ flotation damage.
41 Tojos with 31 Franks swept. The P-47s took more losses.
19 Helens bombed the airfield. The 8 P-47s still in the air were no factor. Flak did a lot of damage to the bombers.
8 Vals and 8 Georges went after US destroyers at Kagi. 7 P-47s downed a few planes. Bombs missed
24 Georges swept, downing the 2 remaining P-47s.
In the afternoon, 3 Vals with 14 Georges appeared. A couple of Georges were downed by the 6 P-47s. xAP Daisy Moller was hit by 2 bombs. It had unloaded its troops and still had some supply. It is SYS 32/FLOT 16-5/ENG 10-1/FIRE 28. I don't think that the size 1 port at Kagi can handle the fire, so the transport will take its chances moving to the mined port of Takao. Which was just captured:

Ground combat at Takao (84,65)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 38694 troops, 632 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1271

Defending force 11785 troops, 136 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 95

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 892

Japanese adjusted defense: 68

Allied assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Takao !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2970 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 131 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 37 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 88 (58 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Vehicles lost 82 (81 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units destroyed 4

Allied ground losses:
174 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
32nd Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
766th Tank Battalion
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
XI US Corps

Defending units:
30th Ind Engineer Regiment
Kaosing Fortress
51st Air Defense AA Regiment
51st Ind.AA Gun Co
30th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
Formosa Army
4th JNAF Coy
Takao Naval Base Force
1st JNAF AF Unit /1
48th JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Army
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
25th Air Flotilla
5th Air Div /1


The pesky 13th Garrison Unit at Dumanquilas on Mindanao is finally destroyed.

Total air losses for the day were 17 Sallys, 14 Georges, 13 Franks, 8 Helens, 5 Tojos and 5 Vals for the cost of 19 P-47s. The 2 depleted P-47s squadrons at Kagi are ordered back to Manila to recover. 2 fresh Thunderbolt squadrons are moved in, as well as 2 P-38 squadrons at the adjacent base to the northeast.

Grunion lowered its FLOT damage to 94. An AS will disband into port today and should help.

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apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/14/2020 2:55:06 AM)

19 Dec 43

I-176 spotted Nevada and West Virginia near Subic Bay. 2 torpedoes were fired at DD Mahan but missed. I-176 was hit by a depth charge. Undeterred, I-176 attacked again, this time firing 6 torpedoes at battleship West Virginia. All missed. Later in the day, air units reported 3 bomb hits on the sub.

The big enemy air force in China came to Formosa, again. This time, they went after Takao. Takao's airfield is still too damaged to support planes. The Japanese wanted to keep it that way. First, 22 Georges swept. 22 P-47s and 14 P-38s, on ranged CAP, intercepted. More enemy planes lost than US. Then 25 Franks swept, and losses were about even. 22 Helens came, targeting the airfield, but came without escort. About 10 US fighters intercepted, downing many bombers. Minimal airfield damage. Then 39 Tojos swept, with just a few US fighters still flying, and most of those were shot down. I'm going to have to load up Formosa with more fighters, once Takao is operational. Once I can get bombers onto Formosa, the enemy will be forced to go defense in China.

B-24s attacked Pescadores' airfield and port. Weather was bad and Franks were covering, based in China. A few bombers were lost and damage to the base was very light.

Total air losses for the day were 15 Helens, 9 Georges and 7 Franks for the cost of 14 P-47s, 9 P-38Hs and 3 B-24s. I need to start bringing air frame types to Formosa that have a large pool, like F6Fs. They don't stand up very well to the Franks and Georges, but I have about 500 of them in the pool.

Saury hit E Kanju with a torpedo, sinking the E-boat, near Tokaro Retto. Saury was hit by a depth charge from another E-boat but will survive.

US Marine raiders begin to land on undefended Philippine islands south of Legaspi. In the Leyte area. OPilot has search planes somewhere. I haven't found them yet. Could be Glens on subs, but I don't think so.

Cleanup at Takao.

Ground combat at Takao (84,65)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 38523 troops, 632 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1251

Defending force 8693 troops, 88 guns, 49 vehicles, Assault Value = 29

Allied adjusted assault: 988

Japanese adjusted defense: 28

Allied assault odds: 35 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
998 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 44 (34 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (13 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Allied ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
XI US Corps
860th Aviation Engineer Battalion
71st Coast AA Regiment
58th Base Group

Defending units:
51st Air Defense AA Regiment
51st Ind.AA Gun Co
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
48th JAAF AF Bn
30th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
Takao Naval Base Force
4th Air Army
Kaosing Fortress
Formosa Army
1st JNAF AF Unit /1


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apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/14/2020 5:05:27 AM)

Per Lowpe's suggestion, an AS was sent to help Grunion repair in a size 1 port. It made a tremendous difference. The day before, Grunion went down 2 points in FLOT. With the AS in port, it went down 39 points in FLOT. Grunion will be ready to move to nearby Manila in just a couple of days. Thanks again, Lowpe.

[EDIT: To be clear, it was minor FLOT damage that went down 39 points. Grunion is now SYS 63/FLOT 52-28/ENG 5-0/FIRE 0. When the FLOT damage gets down to the major damage level of 28, the sub will move to Manila, just 2 hexes away.]




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/15/2020 6:50:54 AM)

20 Dec 43

RO-39 hit AKL FS-149 with a torpedo south of Formosa, sinking the cargo ship. It was carrying a fragment of a unit already on Formosa. A few vehicles were lost.

4 US destroyers bombarded Amoy before heading to Manila. A bunch of Franks were damaged, and base damage was minor.

3 US YMS started sweeping mines at Takao. YMS-218 hit a mine and sank. About 90 mines were cleared. There are more. Just southwest of Hong Kong, a suspicious task force was spotted. A few combat ships. I believe this to be the cruiser force previously based at Saigon, the one that hit Borneo a couple of times. As predicted, it is headed to Hong Kong. From there, it is in position to bombard bases on Formosa, and be back to Hong Kong by the end of the day. My big destroyer patrol force missed this task force by a day. The destroyers are south of Hainan Island now, unspotted. They will patrol in the direction of Formosa today.

36 Tojos swept Kagi today. 12 P-38s, 15 P-47s and 18 F4U-1s intercepted. 20 Tojos were shot down. No US planes were lost. The Japanese air force in China is finding things much tougher in Formosa than it did for years against the forces in China.

Another cleanup attack at Takao destroys more enemy units. Some remain. 1204 enemy casualties today. Attacks will take place at Ternate and Davao today.

Grunion's minor FLOT damage is repaired down to the major FLOT damage level. It will now start to leave pier mode and then move to Manila for complete repairs. xAP Daisy Moller, burning in Takao's port, reduced its FIRE level to 6, so it will survive, if it isn't bombed again.

Recon of Naha on Okinawa shows 15 enemy units. OPilot is preparing. I am starting to prepare also. But first Mersing. Then a China landing east of Hong Kong. Then Okinawa.




BBfanboy -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/15/2020 3:58:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: apbarog

Per Lowpe's suggestion, an AS was sent to help Grunion repair in a size 1 port. It made a tremendous difference. The day before, Grunion went down 2 points in FLOT. With the AS in port, it went down 39 points in FLOT. Grunion will be ready to move to nearby Manila in just a couple of days. Thanks again, Lowpe.

[EDIT: To be clear, it was minor FLOT damage that went down 39 points. Grunion is now SYS 63/FLOT 52-28/ENG 5-0/FIRE 0. When the FLOT damage gets down to the major damage level of 28, the sub will move to Manila, just 2 hexes away.]

When system damage is high, runaway flooding can happen very quickly. If the AS can repair a couple of points of system damage per turn (it will certainly do that when the minor float damage is gone) I would leave it until System damage is below 50. It's not like you need to get that sub back in operation ASAP.

EDIT: PS - I believe that repairing damage is one of the things that boosts crew experience. If you have a chance to look at that with Grunion, I would be interested in what you observe.




apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/16/2020 6:17:07 AM)

21 Dec 43

Over 200 mines cleared in this turn at Takao, and there are still more.

Tullibee hit xAK Lisbon Maru with a torpedo near Swatow, China. E-boat Yomogi then hit Tullibee with a depth charge. The cargo ship probably sank.

Amberjack sank subchaser Ch 37 near Tokara Retto.

Idaho bombarded Davao again, with good results finally. Over 500 casualties. A US division moved from Malaybalay to Davao, taking the long road around to the west, but the shorter path time-wise. With 2 divisons now at Davao, US troops will attack.

US attack at Ternate did ok, causing four times the enemy casualties as friendly, with a 1 to 2 attack. The forts are still holding at 4 however. But the enemy is crumbling, now taking more destroyed squads.

And today's attack at Clark was better than the first one. All the riff raff support units left, leaving just the decent combat units.

Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40747 troops, 716 guns, 806 vehicles, Assault Value = 1195

Defending force 13025 troops, 134 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 325

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 574

Japanese adjusted defense: 724

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
494 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 72 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
538 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 52 disabled
Guns lost 29 (3 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (4 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Assaulting units:
18th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
37th Infantry Division
Americal Infantry Division
34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
33rd Infantry Division
4th USMC Tank Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
I US Corps
Sixth US Army
601st Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
147th Field Artillery Battalion
205th Field Artillery Battalion
602nd Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
30th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Tank Regiment
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
16th AA Regiment


Enemy troops at Takao were eliminated.

Ground combat at Takao (84,65)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40177 troops, 650 guns, 673 vehicles, Assault Value = 1270

Defending force 4753 troops, 38 guns, 37 vehicles, Assault Value = 13

Allied adjusted assault: 985

Japanese adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 492 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5626 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 533 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 55 (55 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 38 (38 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 3

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
XI US Corps
860th Aviation Engineer Battalion
Wake (Det.) Defense Battalion
58th Base Group
71st Coast AA Regiment
91st Const Rgt /3

Defending units:
Takao Naval Base Force
Formosa Army
4th Air Army /1



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apbarog -> RE: Did You Know I Used to Drive a Rollercoaster?: Apbarog(A) vs OPilot(J) (6/16/2020 9:12:13 PM)

22 Dec 43

All enemy mines cleared at Takao, finally. I need to clear the ones at enemy held Pescadores, but there's big coastal guns there, and I've lost sweepers trying already. Will stick to an air campaign there, for now.

BB Idaho has a poor bombardment at Davao. Just 52 casualties.

Dutch sub KXIV sank patrol boat Yokae Maru at Naha in the morning, then sank AMc Kenkai Maru there in the afternoon.

Submarine Hoe spotted AO Kyokuto Maru near Daito Shoto. US carriers to the west southwest are informed.

Attack at Davao is satisfactory. Forts reduced to 2. It's a grind here, but the outcome is inevitable.

Ground combat at Davao (79,91)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25696 troops, 421 guns, 232 vehicles, Assault Value = 770

Defending force 20807 troops, 205 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 519

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 549

Japanese adjusted defense: 2353

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
606 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
982 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 118 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
24th Infantry Division
151st Cmbt Engineer Battalion
260th Field Artillery Battalion
82nd Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
24th Nav Gsn Unit
2nd Recon Regiment
38th Division
33rd Ind Engineer Regiment
6th Base Force
41st JNAF AF Unit
61st Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
6th Port Unit
63rd Field AA Battalion
66th JNAF AF Unit


A probing attack at Taihoku, Formosa showed a decent defense. More troops are headed this way.

Ground combat at Taihoku (87,63)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11793 troops, 202 guns, 132 vehicles, Assault Value = 337

Defending force 9754 troops, 131 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 304

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Infantry Division

Defending units:
Keelung Fortress
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
33rd Ind.Mixed Bde /1
55th JAAF AF Bn
24th JAAF AF Bn /1
66th Construction Battalion
34th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
5th Air Div /1
33rd Field Const Co
51st Air Defense AA Battalion
13th JAAF AF Coy
25th Air Flotilla /1


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