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JohnDillworth -> Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 8:40:11 AM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=138&v=2cHYmRzop2I




Alpha77 -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 9:51:00 AM)

Was Yamamotos corpse found in the Betty ? I guess must have been by Japanese rescue teams ? And where is he buried if he was found?




LeeChard -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 10:11:05 AM)

I know his body was found. He was killed by MG fire. I can't recall what they did with the corpse.
The other Betty crashed into the sea. Some of his staff survived.




LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 10:14:10 AM)

From Wikipedia:

"The crash site and body of Yamamoto were found the next day in the jungle of the island of Bougainville by a Japanese search and rescue party, led by army engineer Lieutenant Hamasuna. According to Hamasuna, Yamamoto had been thrown clear of the plane's wreckage, his white-gloved hand grasping the hilt of his katana, still upright in his seat under a tree. Hamasuna said Yamamoto was instantly recognizable, head dipped down as if deep in thought. A post-mortem of the body disclosed that Yamamoto had received two 0.50-caliber bullet wounds, one to the back of his left shoulder and another to his left lower jaw that exited above his right eye. The Japanese navy doctor examining the body determined that the head wound killed Yamamoto. The more violent details of Yamamoto's death were hidden from the Japanese public. The medical report was whitewashed, changed "on orders from above", according to biographer Hiroyuki Agawa.

Yamamoto's staff cremated his remains at Buin and his ashes were returned to Tokyo aboard the battleship Musashi, Yamamoto's last flagship. Yamamoto was given a full state funeral on June 5, 1943,[27] where he received, posthumously, the title of Marshal and was awarded the Order of the Chrysanthemum (1st Class). He was also awarded Nazi Germany's Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords. Some of his ashes were buried in the public Tama Cemetery, Tokyo (多摩霊園) and the remainder at his ancestral burial grounds at the temple of Chuko-ji in Nagaoka City."




Alpha77 -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 3:37:22 PM)

Whow super interesting... so if he had survived what impact might it have had ? We could also speculate the same if Rommel would not have fallen in disgrace and got perhaps a high psoting in the Normandy front and given more free hand...




Rusty1961 -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 4:55:55 PM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNNEj5-6aOk




MakeeLearn -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 5:49:32 PM)

“That son of a b*tch will not be dictating any peace terms in the White House.”
Captain Thomas G. Lanphier Jr.




MakeeLearn -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 5:57:14 PM)

Capt. Tom Lanphier's P-38G-13-LO, “Phoebe,” USAAC 43-2338, Lockheed #3447.

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MakeeLearn -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 5:58:56 PM)

The U.S. Army Air Forces later credited two pilots—Lieutenant Rex T. Barber and Captain Thomas G. Lanphier Jr. with the shoot-down.




Chickenboy -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 10:32:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

From Wikipedia:

"The crash site and body of Yamamoto were found the next day in the jungle of the island of Bougainville by a Japanese search and rescue party, led by army engineer Lieutenant Hamasuna. According to Hamasuna, Yamamoto had been thrown clear of the plane's wreckage, his white-gloved hand grasping the hilt of his katana, still upright in his seat under a tree. Hamasuna said Yamamoto was instantly recognizable, head dipped down as if deep in thought. A post-mortem of the body disclosed that Yamamoto had received two 0.50-caliber bullet wounds, one to the back of his left shoulder and another to his left lower jaw that exited above his right eye. The Japanese navy doctor examining the body determined that the head wound killed Yamamoto. The more violent details of Yamamoto's death were hidden from the Japanese public. The medical report was whitewashed, changed "on orders from above", according to biographer Hiroyuki Agawa.

Yamamoto's staff cremated his remains at Buin and his ashes were returned to Tokyo aboard the battleship Musashi, Yamamoto's last flagship. Yamamoto was given a full state funeral on June 5, 1943,[27] where he received, posthumously, the title of Marshal and was awarded the Order of the Chrysanthemum (1st Class). He was also awarded Nazi Germany's Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords. Some of his ashes were buried in the public Tama Cemetery, Tokyo (多摩霊園) and the remainder at his ancestral burial grounds at the temple of Chuko-ji in Nagaoka City."


I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.




witpqs -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/18/2018 11:58:24 PM)

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I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.

I read his bio, The Reluctant Admiral quite some time ago. The author mentioned speculation that one of his aids posed the body. I assume no one has ever come forward with either an admission, eyewitness account, or evidence but the serene repose of the body certainly is incredibly unlikely. The wounds... well there are fragments I suppose. Even something small through the head would have killed him, especially coupled with a plane crash.




PaxMondo -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 3:19:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

From Wikipedia:

"The crash site and body of Yamamoto were found the next day in the jungle of the island of Bougainville by a Japanese search and rescue party, led by army engineer Lieutenant Hamasuna. According to Hamasuna, Yamamoto had been thrown clear of the plane's wreckage, his white-gloved hand grasping the hilt of his katana, still upright in his seat under a tree. Hamasuna said Yamamoto was instantly recognizable, head dipped down as if deep in thought. A post-mortem of the body disclosed that Yamamoto had received two 0.50-caliber bullet wounds, one to the back of his left shoulder and another to his left lower jaw that exited above his right eye. The Japanese navy doctor examining the body determined that the head wound killed Yamamoto. The more violent details of Yamamoto's death were hidden from the Japanese public. The medical report was whitewashed, changed "on orders from above", according to biographer Hiroyuki Agawa.

Yamamoto's staff cremated his remains at Buin and his ashes were returned to Tokyo aboard the battleship Musashi, Yamamoto's last flagship. Yamamoto was given a full state funeral on June 5, 1943,[27] where he received, posthumously, the title of Marshal and was awarded the Order of the Chrysanthemum (1st Class). He was also awarded Nazi Germany's Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords. Some of his ashes were buried in the public Tama Cemetery, Tokyo (‘½–€—쉀) and the remainder at his ancestral burial grounds at the temple of Chuko-ji in Nagaoka City."


I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.

+1

Read far too many clinical records. There was a good reason for the local cremation ... The body was likely only identifiable due to uniform remnants. I'll leave it at that.

You want a clearer picture, go to the NTSB website, find a small plane crash, access the coroner/ME reports on the victims and have a copy of your favorite medical dictionary with you. Grisly is the nicest word I can use to describe what you will read.
While a free-fall tumbling body reaches a terminal velocity (~100mph depending upon a whole host of factors) quite quickly limiting the impact, a plane (even damaged) has a far greater terminal velocity, particularly once the wings separate. The human body does not withstand +20g impacts with grace ...




LeeChard -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 9:26:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.

I read his bio, The Reluctant Admiral quite some time ago. The author mentioned speculation that one of his aids posed the body. I assume no one has ever come forward with either an admission, eyewitness account, or evidence but the serene repose of the body certainly is incredibly unlikely. The wounds... well there are fragments I suppose. Even something small through the head would have killed him, especially coupled with a plane crash.

I always thought the reports of the 'dignified repose' to be understandable propaganda by the Japanese.




Alpha77 -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 10:43:09 AM)

Such a pity did the Japanese did not preserve his body in "spirits" like it is said the British did with Nelson [;)]




PaxMondo -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 12:55:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Such a pity did the Japanese did not preserve his body in "spirits" like it is said the British did with Nelson [;)]

Please look up the definition of the word "remnants".




witpqs -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 3:12:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LeeChard


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.

I read his bio, The Reluctant Admiral quite some time ago. The author mentioned speculation that one of his aids posed the body. I assume no one has ever come forward with either an admission, eyewitness account, or evidence but the serene repose of the body certainly is incredibly unlikely. The wounds... well there are fragments I suppose. Even something small through the head would have killed him, especially coupled with a plane crash.

I always thought the reports of the 'dignified repose' to be understandable propaganda by the Japanese.

Sure, just pointing out that, unlike many other historical events corrected by factual revelations, that secret has been kept. No one believes the claim.




Yaab -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 3:21:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

“That son of a b*tch will not be dictating any peace terms in the White House.”
Captain Thomas G. Lanphier Jr.


"You didn't invite me, so I crashed!"
Penguin




Chickenboy -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 4:10:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs


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ORIGINAL: LeeChard


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.

I read his bio, The Reluctant Admiral quite some time ago. The author mentioned speculation that one of his aids posed the body. I assume no one has ever come forward with either an admission, eyewitness account, or evidence but the serene repose of the body certainly is incredibly unlikely. The wounds... well there are fragments I suppose. Even something small through the head would have killed him, especially coupled with a plane crash.

I always thought the reports of the 'dignified repose' to be understandable propaganda by the Japanese.

Sure, just pointing out that, unlike many other historical events corrected by factual revelations, that secret has been kept. No one believes the claim.




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anarchyintheuk -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 5:03:02 PM)

My goal for today is to find a way to use 'ejecta' in a sentence in my office environment.

Edited for not paying attention in grammar class 40+ years ago.




Yaab -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 5:13:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: witpqs


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ORIGINAL: LeeChard


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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I can tell you that any account that describes Yamamoto's body dying in dignified repose was nonsense. If thrown free from the crash, his body would quite likely have suffered extraordinary damage. If hit with a .50 round that went through his head from lower jaw to right orbit it would have caused an enormous chasm of an exit wound, likely taking much of the cranium and brain ejecta with it.

I read his bio, The Reluctant Admiral quite some time ago. The author mentioned speculation that one of his aids posed the body. I assume no one has ever come forward with either an admission, eyewitness account, or evidence but the serene repose of the body certainly is incredibly unlikely. The wounds... well there are fragments I suppose. Even something small through the head would have killed him, especially coupled with a plane crash.

I always thought the reports of the 'dignified repose' to be understandable propaganda by the Japanese.

Sure, just pointing out that, unlike many other historical events corrected by factual revelations, that secret has been kept. No one believes the claim.




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Clutch swordplay I guess.




BBfanboy -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 5:17:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

My goal for today is to find a way to use 'ejecta' in a sentence in my office environment.

Edited for not paying attention in grammar class 40+ years ago.

Do NOT use your bathroom break as the opportunity - TMI.[:-]




witpqs -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 5:33:36 PM)

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[:D]




witpqs -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 5:34:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

My goal for today is to find a way to use 'ejecta' in a sentence in my office environment.

Edited for not paying attention in grammar class 40+ years ago.

Wait for someone to drink coffee; say something so outrageous it causes "ejecta".




Yaab -> RE: Admiral Yamamoto G4M1 Betty 2656 Bougainville Crash Site from this week (4/19/2018 5:49:33 PM)

And when your sword bounces off enemy's armor it is "Sorta Rejecta".




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