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BBfanboy -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 12:21:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
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ORIGINAL: GetAssista
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ORIGINAL: Anachro
John lands at Umnak Island, which makes more sense, but is also much better defended.

What a nasty surprise it must be for John. No chance to prevail against that AV, real threat of his units being pummelled, and KB a world away. Milk him for attention to the fullest!

I wouldn't be so sure this early in the game when US troops are mostly mid level experienced. The bombardment shows he has 3X the number of troops, including a Division and a Brigade. The IJA leaders will be very good. And he can bombard from the sea. Rough terrain and 3 forts might not be enough help. [:(]

Yeah, there are chances if John brings more. So far he did not even bring a HQ which would penalize his assault AV a lot. Looks like he is doing a rolling land-capture-reembark-repeat amphibious bonus routine and reinforcements might be far away to get to the scene intact. Allies can also bombard from sea into zero Japanese forts, and given real CVs are nearby Japanese bombardments are considerably more risky.

I think it is a mistake for the Japanese player to over-extend during the Amphib Bonus, gaining a perimeter he cannot defend and setting up his forces to be overwhelmed at various points on the perimeter.
He may be shooting for Auto-victory in 1943, but the way Anachro is playing he will not achieve it. He would be better off setting up a shorter perimeter with interlocking airfields and strong forts.




Lowpe -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 12:02:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I think it is a mistake for the Japanese player to over-extend during the Amphib Bonus, gaining a perimeter he cannot defend and setting up his forces to be overwhelmed at various points on the perimeter.
He may be shooting for Auto-victory in 1943, but the way Anachro is playing he will not achieve it. He would be better off setting up a shorter perimeter with interlocking airfields and strong forts.


Err, you know who is playing Japan in a mod that strengthens Japan?[:)]

It has been a long time since I looked at this mod, but I would think a strategy of fuel/oil destruction while encouraging the IJN to sail hither and thither would work quite well.

I am waiting for the fireworks...the IJN course of sail seems pretty well set after Yamoto bombarded.[sm=00000613.gif]




Anachro -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 3:38:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Err, you know who is playing Japan in a mod that strengthens Japan?[:)]

It has been a long time since I looked at this mod, but I would think a strategy of fuel/oil destruction while encouraging the IJN to sail hither and thither would work quite well.

I am waiting for the fireworks...the IJN course of sail seems pretty well set after Yamoto bombarded. [sm=00000613.gif]


John sent me the turn at 11am CST yesterday and I returned it to him around 2pm CST. He is currently away with his family at the state fair where he seems to be enjoying himself. In fact, his email yesterday related that his son had done quite well in some local competitions and even was state champion in some baking contest. However, he assured me that "the WiFi works fine at the Campground" and that he "can do another whenever" as he was staying back at camp while the family drove to a nearby city for shopping.

I haven't heard anything since. I hope I haven't ruined his state fair and camping trip, but at the same time...I do hope. [:D]




modrow -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 5:00:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
I think it is a mistake for the Japanese player to over-extend during the Amphib Bonus, gaining a perimeter he cannot defend and setting up his forces to be overwhelmed at various points on the perimeter.
He may be shooting for Auto-victory in 1943, but the way Anachro is playing he will not achieve it. He would be better off setting up a shorter perimeter with interlocking airfields and strong forts.


I agree that this is the case if IJ tries to defend what it takes. But as a raid, I think it can help you to gain time. Another base for Allied to take back, delaying progress of base expansion for jumpoff-points, and depletion of Allied pools.

Just my 2cts.

Hartwig





Anachro -> Mar 17, 1942 (8/26/2018 5:01:31 PM)

Mar 17, 1942

Nothing! No flights fly as it seems my carriers moved at mission speed as opposed to flank speed. Perhaps I forgot to set it correctly last turn. More worrying, his carriers have disappeared despite being within nav search range. Did they disband in Adak? BB Yamato can be seen directly west of Umnak moving back to re-arm I assume. No matter what I do, my carriers will be within range of something next turn. Do I move up and hit whatever I can or do I move back, refuel from my replenishment TF's, and wait for another opportunity if they reappear? My transports will be moving in to reinforce Umnak soon and he might reappear with his carriers and battleships then.

My carriers are undetected...

[image]https://i.imgur.com/TblJAxs.png[/image]




modrow -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 5:09:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

It has been a long time since I looked at this mod, but I would think a strategy of fuel/oil destruction while encouraging the IJN to sail hither and thither would work quite well.



I haven't looked at the mod at all, but I have been wondering how the intense use of IJN that is typically reported in John's AARs can be fueled. I think one has to look at details before one rushes to quick conclusions. Wasn't there an extra fuel cache at Canton Island, e.g., which Anachro removed in this game?

If there is a chance to conquer additional fuel and supply by aggressive play, this can also change the level of aggression that is "adequate".

Just my 2cts

Hartwig




BBfanboy -> RE: Mar 17, 1942 (8/26/2018 5:35:54 PM)

If he has not detected your carriers yet, go for the strike. He may have most of his bombers on ASW or a strike at a land base.




Anachro -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 5:35:55 PM)

I move my carriers up. I at least know where his BB Yamato is and the rate at which it moving. Hopefully, I can hit it next turn. If his carriers somehow appear, all the better.


@BBfanboy yes, they remain unseen [:)]




Lowpe -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 6:42:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

I move my carriers up. I at least know where his BB Yamato is and the rate at which it moving. Hopefully, I can hit it next turn. If his carriers somehow appear, all the better.


@BBfanboy yes, they remain unseen [:)]


Yay![sm=00000613.gif] Hope you can get within torpedo range.[:)]




dave sindel -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 7:39:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

I move my carriers up. I at least know where his BB Yamato is and the rate at which it moving. Hopefully, I can hit it next turn. If his carriers somehow appear, all the better.


@BBfanboy yes, they remain unseen [:)]


Good luck and good hunting !




apbarog -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 8:21:50 PM)

Good luck Anachro. Watching this war every day from your side of things.




ny59giants -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 10:15:07 PM)

There is slightly more oil and refinery center in Manchuria that needs supply to fully repair. Nothing else was done by me.




Lovejoy -> RE: Mar 15, 1942 (8/26/2018 10:41:11 PM)

Happy hunting!




Anachro -> Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 2:39:52 PM)

Mar 18, 1942

My carriers don't spot any capital ships, so the local TF commander settles for hitting a number of transport targets. Oh well, we'll take it. Seem to sink a number of troops as well.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/r72bE8E.png[/image]

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Yunaska Island at 167,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Fulmar II x 17
F4F-3 Wildcat x 54
SBD-2 Dauntless x 16
SBD-3 Dauntless x 67
TBD-1 Devastator x 30

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AMC Bankok Maru, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Yamahuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AMC Nosiro Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Nippo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Shanghai Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMC Kiyosumi Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Ikoma Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Mitsu Maru #3, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Katori Maru
xAK Arabia Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMC Ukishima Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMC Naminoue Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Batavia Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Heito Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DMS W-14, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
DMS W-20, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AMC Akagi Maru, Torpedo hits 1
PB Fumi Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Ryuko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
2261 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 32 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 20 (5 destroyed, 15 disabled)


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Yunaska Island at 167,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 54
SBD-2 Dauntless x 18
SBD-3 Dauntless x 49
TBD-1 Devastator x 45

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AMC Nosiro Maru, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
xAK Panama Maru
AMC Kiyosumi Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
xAK Ryuko Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMC Akagi Maru, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Heito Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Batavia Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
AMC Naminoue Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Shanghai Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Arabia Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
PG Hai Can 11, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS W-20, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
5856 casualties reported
Squads: 188 destroyed, 141 disabled
Non Combat: 51 destroyed, 78 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 100 (77 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 162,52

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 16
Fulmar II x 17
SBD-2 Dauntless x 16
SBD-3 Dauntless x 18

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Bordeaux Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Eihuku Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Montreal Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yakaze
xAK Naples Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hauraki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Yamayuri Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Norfolk Maru




Anachro -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 2:57:31 PM)

Now, can someone like BBFanboy tell me what type of unit I most likely sunk?




BillBrown -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 3:12:36 PM)

My guess is xAK MontrealMaru, in the afternoon attack.




zuluhour -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 4:01:59 PM)

[X(]SWEET SPOTTED THAT ONE! I would take loaded transports every day. A lesson on how to use the USN
in '42.




Lovejoy -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 5:18:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

Now, can someone like BBFanboy tell me what type of unit I most likely sunk?


I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as BBFanboy, but those ships had over 300 combat squads and 100 guns on them, so I'd venture to guess a few brigades (maybe Naval Guards) and artillery unit.





BBfanboy -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 5:23:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

Now, can someone like BBFanboy tell me what type of unit I most likely sunk?

Hold on a sec' .... crystal ball is starting to clear .... still a little FOW, but it appears by the combat squad count that you hit a division or several regiments. The guns destroyed count indicates artillery units destroyed as well. AA units tend to have similar numbers of vehicles destroyed so I don't think it is that.
The small number of engineer squads destroyed looks like combat engineers embedded in a division rather than construction engineers in a BF or construction unit.

Now excuse me while I go polish my balls ...[sm=00000117.gif]




dave sindel -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 6:17:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

[X(]SWEET SPOTTED THAT ONE! I would take loaded transports every day. A lesson on how to use the USN
in '42.


+1 - nicely done




Bif1961 -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 6:34:45 PM)

I would say a Division in the 2nd one and a large base force in the first. I am sure you can go back and look at your SIGINT hits and see if any of those ships you sank was listed carrying certain units. That would be the best way to identify who you just gave impromptu Artic Sea swimming lessons.




modrow -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 8:38:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dave sindel


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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

[X(]SWEET SPOTTED THAT ONE! I would take loaded transports every day. A lesson on how to use the USN
in '42.


+1 - nicely done


Sean,

another great job (including great strike coordination, much better than what I typically obtain, so I must be doing something wrong) [sm=happy0065.gif]. John may have felt more pyschological pain had you killed combat ships, but I think he will miss all those transports you have sunk so far.

Did he offer comments in his mail accompanying the turn?

Hartwig




Anachro -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 8:52:02 PM)

John quotes are as follows:

Email Last Night

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Now where might your CVs be? They should be to the IO or Aleuts anytime now. Perhaps still in the SE Pac? Wager we’ll see within 1-3 days…’


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Boy--I was right about your CVs! There was as action this day. Watched the turn but don't have time for orders. Will send tomorrow morning...


Email 1

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Think you pulled the trigger one day early. Could have done much better then you actually did. KNEW you were coming but the damned Emily/Mavis let me down.

Oh, well…


Email 2

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Thanks. Didn't help that TF headed east. I knew the Aleutian Offensive would be a draw for you... didn't expect you to bring ALL your CVs since you knew this wasn't a very strong force...


I actually have 2 USN CVs and a British CV at Capetown.




Canoerebel -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 8:57:19 PM)

This is quintessential John: "Could have done much better than you actually did" plus he "knew" you were coming (but forgot to allow for it and get the heck out of the way).

As you know, these are admissions as to just how irritated he is with himself and with your success.





Lovejoy -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 9:12:27 PM)

Well done! Hopefully those trashed LCUs and the lost AKs and APs will throw his timetable for NorPac out of wack.





Anachro -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 9:12:56 PM)

I forgot to note John's reply when I sent him my turn last night before he had reviewed to turn.

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Now where might your CVs be? They should be to the IO or Aleuts anytime now. Perhaps still in the SE Pac? Wager we’ll see within 1-3 days…’


So he was right that he expected the carriers somewhere, but as you can see from the above, he had no idea if they were in the IO, SoPac, or heading for the Aleutians.




adarbrauner -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 9:38:03 PM)

Terrible....[:(][:(]




Anachro -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/27/2018 11:09:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Now excuse me while I go polish my balls ...[sm=00000117.gif]


Just noticed this gem and thought it worth pointing out for all of posterity. A good signature.




jwolf -> RE: Mar 18, 1942 (8/28/2018 3:20:06 PM)

That op went very well, Anachro. I would guess the loss of transports and the troops will slow down the Japs more than crippling or sinking a few capital ships. If John is really going strongly for India, he might not have enough left to make a serious push through the Aleutians (beyond what he already has).




Anachro -> Mar 19, 1942 (8/28/2018 9:30:30 PM)

@jwolf thanks, but today didn't go so well. [:@]

Shameless plug, but I'm looking for an opponent to take control of a pickup match in my other PBEM. My opponent dropped out. Please see situation here: CLICK HERE

Mar 19, 1942

After last turn, I elected to send my carriers 9 hexes west in the hope of catching fleeing ships. I wake up this morning to an email from John:

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Got to admit that I really LIKED this turn. Somewhat sad and twisted manner but I did like it. - John 3rd


This of course immediately evokes within me the cold internal sensation of nervousness in my head and stomach that something has gone horribly wrong. Did John manage a surface action on my carriers? Did I lose some? I tell you, the moments between getting the email and running the turn after such words, which John uses frequently, always are filled with terror. Nonetheless, the turn wasn't as bad as I would've imagined.

John sends a single DD and sinks a transport, destroying a Marine Defense Battalion that will have to be rebuilt. Moreover, while my carrier planes strike a number of shipping at Attu Island, it seems to run into a surprising amount of CAP. Were his carriers hiding in port there? The airfield level is only at level 1. Despite the number of escorts, a decent chunk of planes go down and I am at ~250 aircraft on my carriers whereas yesterday I had ~300. Luckily, most pilots survive. Nonetheless, I do manage to sink a number of boats, including an AV I believe, as a number of petes are listed as destroyed on the ground.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Yunaska Island at 167,52, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yakaze

Allied Ships
PC Onondaga, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
PC Onondaga sunk by DD Yakaze at 3,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
KV Wetaskiwin, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
xAP Poelau Laut, Shell hits 27, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
1309 casualties reported
Squads: 33 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 85 (65 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (8 destroyed, 7 disabled)


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Submarine attack near Adak Island at 162,51

Japanese Ships
DMS W-20, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Silversides

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Attu Island at 153,49

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
A6M3 Zero x 11
A6M5 Zero x 14
F1M2 Pete x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 31
SBD-2 Dauntless x 13
SBD-3 Dauntless x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
xAK Belgium Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Turuga Maru
AKE Yamabuki Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Seikyo Maru
xAK Durban Maru
xAK Teisin Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAK Ronsan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Dakar Maru
xAK Saiho Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Tokati Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AV Kimikawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire - This sunk based on a/c destroyed on ground
xAK Tyoyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Nagato Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Kaisyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AG Soya, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tusima Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Attu Island at 153,49

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
A6M3 Zero x 9
A6M5 Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 23
SBD-3 Dauntless x 37

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Florida Maru
CL Oi
AV Kimikawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kaimei Maru
DD Usugumo
AKE Terukawa Maru
AG Soya, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Nichiryo Maru


I elect to move my carriers back south out of range of his patrol craft where I have a number of AO's waiting for refueling. Might send them back north if there is some opportunity, but if not they might head towards Seattle to restock on planes/pilots and upgrade. Before I upgrade though, I want to clear and reinforce the Aleutians. A number of bombardment forces and minelayers are heading to Umnak Island.

Elsewhere, my British fighters sweep Akyab and clear it in the morning, but my bombers don't arrive until the afternoon, by which time his CAP is back up. Lost ~90 planes to ~40 for Japan today.




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