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John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/15/2018 11:39:13 PM)

August 12, 1942
East of Ocean Isle


Two Carrier Task Forces come together. A CVL moves from Sho--Zui--Soryu TF to the Junyo--Hiyo TF so there are 3 CV/2 CVL and 2 CV/2 CVL in the other.

We shall begin a slow move SE staying out of PBY range. He has PBY at Noumea, Suva, and the Line Islands. That makes for a very porous and distant Air Search screen. The two American CV disappear this turn but I am certain they remain close. We will not tip our hand until there is something to truly go after. Considering I have a new CV and CVL about three days steaming to the NW (just passing the Marianas making for Tabitueau), it would be GREAT if I can combine with them and create a truly formidable conglomeration of carrier power.

To answer Adar:
1. No. Haven't used Flank Speed yet. Want to save it for a perfect time. It causes way too much SYS damage and sucks a crap-ton of fuel.
2. Fortunately with my pre-positioning and eight full AOs nearby, we are set for extended operations.
3. There are nearly 18 SS operating in the area and they are HUNTING!

Have slowly (over the last four weeks) moved more planes into the area. Currently have nearly 200 Zeros, 100+ Betty/Nell, and three Daitai of Vals in theatre. If I want, I can add nearly 100 Zeros to the CVs by pulling off my least experienced Daitai of Vals or Kates.

Am keeping shipping at Ndeni and Tabitueau to serve as continued bait to draw the enemy westward...





Bif1961 -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 12:17:18 AM)

There were 170 planes in that strike and the big E and Wasp have only 166 combined so I would suspect at least 3 carriers.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 12:34:50 AM)

Concur but that number COULD have been two complete--everything--CV worth of planes.

I am actually thinking and planning for four. We know that two Brit and two American fought west of Perth two weeks ago. The two American might be anywhere now but I'll wager Sean has kept them together. Right the Americans have everything but Ranger--I think. Ranger comes in pretty soon I believe.

This is why I want to take my time, look for an oportunity, and unify with the third TF coming down from Tokyo. I'll have six CV and five CVL at that point. SHOULD be enough to overwhelm up to four American CVs.





John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 4:20:10 AM)

August 13, 1942
Ndeni

It is on.

I lost my opponent as he made a full speed jump west followed by normal movement.

My warships at Ndeni (3 CL and 14 DD in three TFs) are startled when air search picks up a massed, incoming strike of 46 Wildcats, 91 DB, and 13 Avengers. The AF quickly puts 36 Zeros into the air and so a mad furball erupts over the airspace above the warships. Only 8 F4Fs and 5 SBD are shot down prior to them tipping into their deadly dives. That would make 86 SBD diving. CRAP!

NOT!!!

For the third time American DBs truly show their lack of experience as only three 1,000lb bombs hit. CL Ishikari takes 1 bomb (SYS 15/FLOT 11/ENG 2) and DD Minazuki get two hits. The DD automatically disbands into port but is still a float at the end of the day.

The die is now cast. There are three CVs (by the plane squadrons) and the Japanese Carriers to the north point their bows south and prepare for their own High Speed move due south. REACT set to the FULL SIX hexes. The CVs are carrying 251 Zero, 91 Val, and 115 Kate.

Ready or not...we strike next turn...


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John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 4:30:19 AM)

If I was Sean, I would be very careful and, perhaps, move away after the strike. However, since the strike was sooooooo ineffective, I hope he tries again or stays fairly close to the area. If he does then my FULL SPEED move will put me 1 hex SE of Ndeni with full react on. Let us hope he is stubborn and tries again...




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 4:31:01 AM)

The turn is sent so we'll see what he decides to do fairly quickly.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 6:55:47 AM)

August 14, 1942
SoPac


Well...we make the WARP SPEED jump and don't find much. Certainly have surprise but that is about it. As suspected, he pulled his CVs back towards Australia.

Still find a group of DDs to attack. Three Strikes fly:

1. A small morning strike of 15 Zero and 13 Val fight through 18 F4F and score no hits. Minimal plane losses for nothing.

2. Good-sized attack of 75 Zero and 48 Val attack 4 DDs. They encounter stiff resistance with 54 Fighters (P-40/F4F/P-39) flying CAP. My Fighters put up a good fight and then perform an OLE and let the fighters into the Vals. NASTY. Lose 17 before the remaining 31 dive on their targets. These are veteran Japanese pilots. SURELY they can teach the Americas how to dive-bomb. RIGHT? NOPE! Only one bomb hits DD Arunta. BOTH sides suck evidently...

3. 24 Zero and 17 Kate hit and SINK DD Tamorth with 2 TT at Luganville. The Torps work...

Well...rat farts...


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John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 6:57:49 AM)

NOTE: He must have 30-40 SS deployed throughout the Marshalls, Solomons, and Ndeni area. I have been losing an AK a day for six days. This turn I shift a bunch of Betty/Nell/Val/Kate to ASW. There is a lovely 12 SS HITS scored but that don't mean much. Will keep this up for a couple of days and try to drive away the pesky fish.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 7:00:42 AM)

PLAN

The Carriers will move about 6 hexes south and strike at Luganville and a .dot hex showing a dozen targets disbanded in the harbor. Slightly lower CAP from 60% to 50% so I have a few more fighters for escort.

Really HOPE he flies more planes into Luganville! Detach two Kongo's and a pair of Command Cruisers to PLASTER that AF next turn.

Will pull back at that point and fuel as well as rendezvous with the Tokyo CV TF coming down.

A gauntlet has just been thrown. Wonder how he'll respond...




adarbrauner -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 10:23:23 AM)

You have to make allowance for every enemy's countermove;

Anachro is first class sailor and super aggressive;

never underevaluate




Canoerebel -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 11:08:34 AM)

John was up very late or very early. He has church in the morning, so he's going to be red-eyed and muddle-headed.

How do I know these things? I was up very late and very early. I have church this morning. I am red-eyed and muddle-headed.

This dratted game!




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 1:48:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

John was up very late or very early. He has church in the morning, so he's going to be red-eyed and muddle-headed.

How do I know these things? I was up very late and very early. I have church this morning. I am red-eyed and muddle-headed.

This dratted game!



Damn Dan---If that ain't the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

Up after less then 6 hours of sleep and I just found out I have Sunday School. Great...




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 1:50:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

You have to make allowance for every enemy's countermove;

Anachro is first class sailor and super aggressive;

never underevaluate


I knew he could run as I said earlier but I had a chance to truly surprise him. He is SOOOOOO aggressive, I thought there was a real chance he might stick around for another shot at my shipping. Alas...not to be.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/16/2018 9:51:45 PM)

August 15, 1942

The Carriers move south and find some targets.

Before dawn, two Kongo's and two Fuji-Class Command Cruisers hit Luganville. Sean prudently moves his aircraft from the base but they lay pretty good waste to the area.

Morning Strike:
86 Zero, 21 Val, and 20 Kate hit DD's Javelin and Hamilton

Afternoon Strikes:
10 Zero and 74 Kate attack that base where the disbanded shipping was spotted. Unfortunately, they are not there.
104 Zero, 25 Val, and 41 Kate crush the DD TF: SINK Javelin, SINK Hamilton, and hit Arunta and Jervis (may be sunk)

The CVs continue their southward move and will retire after tomorrow.


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John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/17/2018 11:09:49 PM)

August 16, 1942
China


Am taking some pride in my China accomplishments. Have never really made an attempt to take China. I HATE the ground element within AE so this is a chance for me to grow some and learn things.

Today sees the beginning of an elimination of the a small Chinese stack that has been trapped and is now surrounded. Three ID attack netting 52-1 and three Corps surrender yielding 4,117 Cas and 283 Squads. Tomorrow's attack will get the rest of them out of the picture.

To the NW edge of the screenshot sits the true Chinese prize. Thirteen units are completely surrounded. Within that stack are 2-3 in good shape with the rest badly beat-up. Expect a 20-25,000 troops surrender.

Am doing this prior to entering Chungking because I want the units destroyed and then they cannot come back as long as I am contesting the hex for the city. This is a correct reading of the reinforcement rules: CORRECT?

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John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/17/2018 11:11:49 PM)

Kido Butai moved south to a line parallel with Noumea and Nadi. The CVs launch a small strike of 9 Zero and 15 Val to sink three AKs trying to flee the area.

Tomorrow will see 4 CA and 4 DDs bombard Suva and then the Kates will do an afternoon Port Attack. Fuel begins to run low so we're heading back for the barn next turn.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/17/2018 11:12:51 PM)

Have found a Mod error. The CAVs have returned for their conversion upgrade to full Fleet Carrier and while the planes upgraded, the ships did not. Have to look at it and figure the problem out. Crap.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 1:56:00 PM)

August 17, 1942
SoPac


The Japanese CVs strike at several targets and manage to sink some AKs, an AE, and an AD. Not bad. A massed strike of 107 Zero and 115 Kate nail the Port of Suva in the afternoon. The carriers will now retire to Tabitueau. AOs have moved down some and will refuel the TF.

A new STF centered around BC Ishitaka (Amagi-Class) enters the field of battle. They will bombard Efate. I have had multiple FP reconning this area since I have not been down here recently. EFate has been expanded to a Lvl-6 AF. That got my attention. We'll punch there and throw some shells into the target.

I have advanced multiple support and replenishment ships to Tabitueau to handle all re-arming. Always remember to plan ahead fellow players!


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John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 2:01:51 PM)

The retiring Japanese CTF will retire on Tabitueau and rendezvous with the ready-to-arrive new CV Kaimon (Shokaku Kai-Class) as well as the new Rhujo, two Kongo's, 2 CAs, 2 CL, and 8 DDs. We'll reorganize the carriers at that point.

Leaving Singapore yesterday were the last of the major carriers--Amagi and Akagi are upgraded and ready. They'll stop at Soerabaja and pick-up some modern DDs with good AA and work their way to join the rest of the fleet.




Canoerebel -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 3:38:22 PM)

Wait a second. It's August 1942 - just how many carriers do you have? How many BBs and BCs? I could look it up, but me and the editor aren't on speaking terms.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 4:55:20 PM)

OK. Headed to work but I'll do a quick memory check here:

Original Six heavies except no Kaga. Amagi replaces her as intended in 1921
Junyo and Hiyo complete.
Original CVLs plus Nisshin comes in as a CVL and then the additional CVL allowed under London Naval Treaty.
New Kaimon (Shokaku Kai) that replaced Taiho in builds.

Total
7 Heavy CVs
2 Medium (Junyo-Hiyo)
6 CVL

Compared to RL, Japan has 1 extra Heavy and 3 CVLs at this point.


At a MINIMUM: The Allies have gained Wasp as a Yorktown and CV Ranger. He should be converting all four CAV/CLV plus some escort CVEs if he has pulled that trigger. If he is not converting the CAVs/CLVs then they equal four CVEs in rough aircraft capacity with cruiser speed speed and armor.





Canoerebel -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 5:20:23 PM)

In reading a few posts, there seemed to be so many unfamiliar names among CV, CVL, BB, BC that it seemed like heavies might be everywhere doing terrible things to the good guys.

What's your impression of the mod, so far. Has it given you a touch more freedom to do things or do you find yourself a tad more limited? Are you satisfied with everything? And I know the answer to this question: Are you having fun? [:)]




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 10:54:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In reading a few posts, there seemed to be so many unfamiliar names among CV, CVL, BB, BC that it seemed like heavies might be everywhere doing terrible things to the good guys.

What's your impression of the mod, so far. Has it given you a touch more freedom to do things or do you find yourself a tad more limited? Are you satisfied with everything? And I know the answer to this question: Are you having fun? [:)]


Always having fun! BANZAI!


The Mod seems to be OK. Each side has a good amount of toys to play with and I wish I could speak with him some. Have no idea what he is doing or trying to do. The strength of the Mod really depends on the Allied Player.

All the changes within the Treaty ALWAYS benefit the Allied player on the 5:5:3.5 basis so that gives proportionally more for them to play with. EX: The Japanese get the Amagi-Class BC Ishitaka but the American gain Lexington-Class BC's Constitution and Constellation (with one old BB (Mississippi I think) scrapped to balance out the numbers).

Beyond the Treaties, the Allied player has lots of very early choices to convert some AOs or AS into CVEs. Those are pretty decent deals to augment things in late-32 or -43. The two ANZAC CAVs (Melbourne and Wellington) and two American CLV's can convert into proto-Princeton-Class CVLs and they are pretty nice.

Add to those possibilities above, the increased strength of the French, Australian, and New Zealand Navies and there are lots of things to use.

Lastly---due to what happened in our match--the off-map aircraft purchase system for the Allies and I think it makes for a massive boost in Allied power IF USED WELL.

Would just love to talk to Sean about that...

Does that help? Does it create more questions?

I know there is always LOTS of Allied player crying, whining, and lack of understanding regarding the Mods and that they favor the Japanese too much. There may be some kernels of truth there. Don't know until we're farther into the Mod. I'd love to hear from that crowd. Some of the BS that I read over in your thread (when our match ended) indicated a ton of ignorance. Whether that is intentional, lazy, or accidental I do not know. Would love to constructively talk about it and try to rectify any misunderstandings.




Bearcat2 -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/18/2018 11:20:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In reading a few posts, there seemed to be so many unfamiliar names among CV, CVL, BB, BC that it seemed like heavies might be everywhere doing terrible things to the good guys.

What's your impression of the mod, so far. Has it given you a touch more freedom to do things or do you find yourself a tad more limited? Are you satisfied with everything? And I know the answer to this question: Are you having fun? [:)]


Always having fun! BANZAI!


The Mod seems to be OK. Each side has a good amount of toys to play with and I wish I could speak with him some. Have no idea what he is doing or trying to do. The strength of the Mod really depends on the Allied Player.

All the changes within the Treaty ALWAYS benefit the Allied player on the 5:5:3 basis so that gives proportionally more for them to play with. EX: The Japanese get the Amagi-Class BC Ishitaka but the American gain Lexington-Class BC's Constitution and Constellation (with one old BB (Mississippi I think) scrapped to balance out the numbers).

Beyond the Treaties, the Allied player has lots of very early choices to convert some AOs or AS into CVEs. Those are pretty decent deals to augment things in late-32 or -43. The two ANZAC CAVs (Melbourne and Wellington) and two American CLV's can convert into proto-Princeton-Class CVLs and they are pretty nice.

Add to those possibilities above, the increased strength of the French, Australian, and New Zealand Navies and there are lots of things to use.

Lastly---due to what happened in our match--the off-map aircraft purchase system for the Allies and I think it makes for a massive boost in Allied power IF USED WELL.

Would just love to talk to Sean about that...

Does that help? Does it create more questions?

I know there is always LOTS of Allied player crying, whining, and lack of understanding regarding the Mods and that they favor the Japanese too much. There may be some kernels of truth there. Don't know until we're farther into the Mod. I'd love to hear from that crowd. Some of the BS that I read over in your thread (when our match ended) indicated a ton of ignorance. Whether that is intentional, lazy, or accidental I do not know. Would love to constructively talk about it and try to rectify any misunderstandings.


The treaty limits were by tonnage, not number of ships. In this scenario, Japanese cruisers have more tonnage than the US even when including the ships not in the Pacific. I could be wrong but I think you forgot to include your 2 CV conversions in your earlier comparison.

At start, the Japanese have 6 CV's, 7 CVLS, 3 CVE as compared to stock 6CV, 2 CVL, and 2 CVE's. The Japanese requirements for Chinese garrisons, appear to be less, ex: in stock Shanghai 720, Canton 360.
I think this scenario is interesting, there are allied limitations regarding the British CV's, they should be able to get more Strinbeans; the Br CV fighters are more than enough. their attack squadrons are a 1 shot wonder, replacements are a problem.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/19/2018 12:22:10 AM)

I can quote the Treaties to you. In places they were BOTH tonnage and number. Look to Washington where TWO BC were allowed to be converted by the Big Three Powers. They were allowed to be up to 33,000T but two were how many could be converted. Allowances were made even after that for the conversions. ONE experimental Carrier (think Langley and Hosho) was allowed per navy (this is raised to two in the Washington Treaty). Using this precedence I allowed the CAV/CLV designs to be allowed for in the London Treaty where the US, GB, and Japan build two of the hybrid designs of the time.

Which conversions do you speak of?

Correct. I did my early numbers based off my memory. Japan begins the war with:
CVs: Akagi, Amagi, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku
CVLs: Zuiho, Shoho, Ryujo and the two Proto-CVLs Ryukaku and Karasu
CVEs: Hosho, Ibuki (Hosho-Class), and Taiyo
CAVs: Tokachi and Kushiro as the experimental G.6 Hybrid Design

The Ryukaku and Karasu are one deck versions of the failed Ryujo and are allowed under the 5:5:3.5.

American CV OOB:
CVs: Lexington, Saratoga, Ranger, Yorktown, Enterprise, Hornet and Wasp (as Yorktown)
CVEs: Ely and Langley

CLV: Jacksonville and Charlotte

Additional 2 CAs, 2 CLs, and 8 DDs.

Ability to convert a full class of AOs to CVEs as well as a class of AVs and the KVs.

Americans gain the Ranger, a stronger Wasp, two CVEs, and the pair of CLVs.

British OOB:
Same as Historical

Australia
CAV Melbourne, DDs and SSs

New Zealand
CAV Wellington and DDs

French
Cruisers, DDs, SSs, and support ships.

We have added planes to the Allied pools. The ANZACs now have Carrier Aircraft. Several squadrons were added to the Allied OOB. The off-map aircraft purchase system allows for the purchase of just about anything in exchange for Political Points.

Your comments regarding Garrison Requirements must be addressed to my fellow designer Michael. He felt my garrison requirements were much too high for India and China. He lowered them from where I had moved them. How this relates to the 'normal' requirements I am not sure.

Most of the non-naval Allied changes have been done by Michael since he is an AFB and well schooled in his experience playing as an Allied Player.








John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/19/2018 12:32:29 AM)

Michael: Can you address the comments on Garrisons?




ny59giants -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/19/2018 1:13:42 AM)

Yes Admiral!

The garrisons were lowered to reflect more towards bases that have economic assets. John had raised them too high in many places. While japan may have lower garrison requirements, the Chinese have better supply generation AND from 50 to 100% increase in non-infantry device production.

This will all end when I eventually get around to changing China to Big B's version of China. Hopefully this theater will end being more a stalemate than a place for Japan to roll over like it is now.

I recently completed a book of the wars in China from 1911 to 1949. I now see the reason behind Brian's (Big B) mod here.


I have played both sides to very late '43. First as Japan and now as Allies that should go the distance. The Allies do have enough to hurt Japan early in '42 if they are not careful. Two of the hybids convert quickly (90 days - can start in Feb '42) while the two American CLVs take until late '42 (180 days - May to Nov).
The Allies have dedicated training air groups which helps a lot. The Americans get more in July '43.

I think the mod is relatively balanced after all the tweaks to get it back from being too Japanese friendly in the game John had vs Canoerebel.




John 3rd -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/19/2018 3:46:55 AM)

I forgot about the Allies getting their training squadrons. We added a bunch of units so the Allies have the ability to emulate what Japan can do. Good catch Michael!

Am truly looking forward to the next iteration of the Mods with what Michael plans to do with China. It should be a STALEMATE! Period. End of discussion.

Adding the device improvements as well as supply generation should truly help in several different areas.



Forgot to add the Royal Navy changes of the additional BC, several additional Cruisers, more Dds as well as several more SS.

More comments?




adarbrauner -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/19/2018 6:28:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Yes Admiral!

The garrisons were lowered to reflect more towards bases that have economic assets. John had raised them too high in many places. While japan may have lower garrison requirements, the Chinese have better supply generation AND from 50 to 100% increase in non-infantry device production.

This will all end when I eventually get around to changing China to Big B's version of China. Hopefully this theater will end being more a stalemate than a place for Japan to roll over like it is now.

I recently completed a book of the wars in China from 1911 to 1949. I now see the reason behind Brian's (Big B) mod here.


I have played both sides to very late '43. First as Japan and now as Allies that should go the distance. The Allies do have enough to hurt Japan early in '42 if they are not careful. Two of the hybids convert quickly (90 days - can start in Feb '42) while the two American CLVs take until late '42 (180 days - May to Nov).
The Allies have dedicated training air groups which helps a lot. The Americans get more in July '43.

I think the mod is relatively balanced after all the tweaks to get it back from being too Japanese friendly in the game John had vs Canoerebel.



Michael: what book please?


Also: have you checked the Chinese OOB made by Sid (El Sid) in RHS mod?
Have you talked with him? about China and every issue you raised or pointed at here?
He'll be very happy to answer and enter in correspondence with you;

Also I'm sure you're aware of the interesting solutions on the logistic aspects applied by LST in China (and Burma area too) in "Bottlenecks" mod;


Adm. Cochrane: one issue of "balance" and realism has been raised regarding the armor deck of the Japanese CAVs; you and Michael answered but probably is worth of further analysis and consideration;


P.S.: some discussion was raised also within respect of Japanese 4 Eng bombers hen you recentlu used them for some limited strat bomb campaign; cheap claims of unrealism has been rejected, but someone also uploaded the specs for the Rita (GM8?) from mod's editor, and at least one specification called for surprise and that is the Armor level of 2 (???!)




ny59giants -> RE: The Shattered Sword: John 3rd vs. Anachro--BTS (12/19/2018 10:41:28 AM)

The most recent book is:
The Wars for Asia 1911-1940 by S.C.M.Payne

Another book by the same author is:
The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895

A third book that covers what is going on in China from 1949 to present is:
The Hundred-Year Marathon by Michael Pillsbury


I played as Japan against Brian (Gen Patton/btd64) using RHS.
El Cid's economy changes were too much for me.
John and I are changing to Big B's China as John has been talking with this Brian for some time.




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