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modrow -> RE: The fate of the invaders (7/28/2018 1:03:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista There are actually not a lot of Brit CV capable airframes through the war and those that are there are generally crappy, so it makes sense to put US airgroups on Brit CVs. But having a point in time where airgroup uses CV capable planes is necessary for resizing. I just had lots of older Hurries in the pool and this was a way to use them. Maybe I should have said replacement rates are higher than demand rather than a lot of airframes, so that an airgroup resize may be considered. I always end up sitting on a pile of MartletII and FulmarII by mid 42. In this game (mid April 42) which I just took over, I have a total of 34 USN fighter planes in the pools, half of them F4F-4. Compare to 59 British carrier capable Fighters/Fighter bombers that are availabe in the pools. Normalize with number of groups using those planes, and you have the motive for my -admittedly unprecise- statement re. availablity of the planes. The Sea Hurricane Ib works quite well for me in a defensive role btw, thus I would not call it crappy. It's actually faster, a better climber and more maneuverable than the F4F-4 IIRC. Hartwig

modrow -> An interesting turn (7/28/2018 10:33:36 PM)
Gentlemen, having sketched very schematically the overall situation, I would like to share some interesting aspects from this turn. It is always fun to start getting to know the style of a new opponent [:)] Let's start with the TF detected near Tulagi: This was actually a TF reinforcing the enemy stack there. Fortunately, in spite of supply shortage the CD gunners still found some shells... Pre-Invasion action off Tulagi (114,137) - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 288 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CA Aoba CA Kumano CA Suzuya CA Mogami, Shell hits 1 CA Ashigara CA Nachi CA Chokai CA Maya CL Tatsuta CL Tama CL Nagara CL Kashima, Shell hits 2, on fire CL Katori, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Yunagi DD Asanagi DD Hayate DD Yayoi DD Oboro AMC Kiyosumi Maru xAK Hiyoshi Maru Japanese ground losses: 208 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Tulagi (114,137) TF 31 troops unloading over beach at Tulagi, 114,137 Japanese ground losses: 209 casualties reported Squads: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of Guards Mixed Bde 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 63rd Infantry Group 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 62nd Infantry Group /2 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 62nd Infantry Group /2 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 62nd Infantry Group /3 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of Guards Mixed Bde /2 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 63rd Infantry Group /6 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 63rd Infantry Group /2 10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 63rd Infantry Group /7 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 63rd Infantry Group /3 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 64th Infantry Group 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 64th Infantry Group /2 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 64th Infantry Group /2 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 64th Infantry Group /3 10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 16th Army /1 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 62nd Infantry Group 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 62nd Infantry Group Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 16th Army 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of Guards Mixed Bde /3 17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of Guards Mixed Bde /4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Tulagi (114,137) - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 303 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CA Aoba CA Kumano CA Suzuya CA Mogami CA Ashigara CA Nachi CA Chokai CA Maya CL Tatsuta CL Tama CL Nagara DD Asanagi DD Yayoi DD Inazuma xAK Kirishima Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires This ship was also carrying fuel ! AMC Kiyosumi Maru AK Yamasimo Maru DD Oboro DD Yunagi xAK Kinugasa Maru Japanese ground losses: 241 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 12 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 53 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Tulagi (114,137) Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 229 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CA Kumano CA Aoba AMC Kiyosumi Maru DD Oboro DD Yunagi Japanese ground losses: 166 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards including support of at least part of KB Afternoon Air attack on 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment, at 114,137 (Tulagi) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 19 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 45 D3A1 Val x 117 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 6 damaged Allied ground losses: 15 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb So this is what the valiant, starving defenders are facing now: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tulagi (114,137) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 4062 troops, 130 guns, 132 vehicles, Assault Value = 200 Defending force 35336 troops, 305 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 1334 Japanese ground losses: 75 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 2/6th Armoured Regiment 49th Australian Battalion 161st Infantry Rgt /3 1st Medium Regiment II US Fighter Cmnd 47th Construction Regiment 198th Field Artillery Battalion 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment 14th RAAF Base Force 206th Coast AA Regiment 205th Coast AA Regiment 113th USAAF Base Force B Det USN Port Svc Defending units: 64th Naval Guard Unit 67th Naval Guard Unit 63rd Infantry Group 42nd Naval Guard Unit 62nd Infantry Group /4 Guards Mixed Brigade 47th Naval Guard Unit 83rd Naval Guard Unit Kure 3rd SNLF 62nd Naval Guard Unit 64th Infantry Group /1 14th Naval Construction Battalion 7th Air Defense AA Regiment 38th JNAF AF Unit 16th Army /2 Definitely a meaningful addition of AV, which will suffice to take the base once disruption has gone down after a turn or three, but apart from Mixed Guards Bde still not firepower-heavy units doing the work in this region, which is important because there are numerous high value bases (high base value multiplier for IJ) IJ may (should) plan to go after. Hartwig

modrow -> RE: An interesting turn (7/28/2018 10:40:51 PM)
I also tried to check with Heavy bombers from Koepang whether my new enemy does take care of covering his bases, even if they are seemingly backwater. Unfortunately, he does for most of them -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 13 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 8 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet * Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 59th Sentai with Ki-43-Ia Oscar (4 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 2 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 8 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet * Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 59th Sentai with Ki-43-Ia Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 8000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 139 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 1 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 0 minutes Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 8 No Allied losses Oil hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 11 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 8 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: Shoho-1/A with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 20000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes

modrow -> RE: An interesting turn (7/28/2018 10:47:23 PM)
Last not least, it looks like we caught an Ampon invasion or part thereof: Morning Air attack on TF, near Obi at 77,107 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 17 SBD-3 Dauntless x 17 No Allied losses Japanese Ships xAK Kinkai Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk xAK Izan Maru DD Yomogi Japanese ground losses: 429 casualties reported [:D] Squads: 19 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 15 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Kinkai Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Obi at 77,107 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 17 SBD-3 Dauntless x 17 No Allied losses Japanese Ships xAK Izan Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk xAK Terushima Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk PB Fukui Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk Japanese ground losses: 1348 casualties reported [:D] Squads: 59 destroyed, 55 disabled Non Combat: 66 destroyed, 67 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 54 (37 destroyed, 17 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 9 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Izan Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Terushima Maru Good to gain some permanent VP for the ratio... Hartwig

obvert -> RE: An interesting turn (7/29/2018 7:24:54 AM)
Any of those kinds of hits slow things down a lot. Nice work.

modrow -> RE: An interesting turn (7/30/2018 4:58:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Any of those kinds of hits slow things down a lot. Nice work. Thanks. I am working to create more opportunities, but we are currently very "disengaged" from each other, there are few hotspots where something is happening. The low number of TF sightings is indicative of that. To illustrate what I mean, I will do something I usually don't do: post a full combat report file, even a rather boring one. Don't expect seeing much action or great results (apart from Tulagi surviving the second attack of the increased army because my opponent chose not to wait for a day but attack directly). AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 13, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Palembang at 49,90 Japanese Ships DD Mikazuki DD Amagiri AO Toho Maru AO Nippon Maru DD Yukaze DD Sawakaze DD Kamikaze Allied Ships SS O24 SS O24 is sighted by escort O24 bottoming out .... DD Yukaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Kamikaze fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 43,500 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 37 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 5 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses H81-A3: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 34 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 38500 feet * CAP engaged: AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 2 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 32400. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kukong , at 79,57 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 33,940 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 10 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 32940 feet * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 40,500 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 36 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 1 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 36 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 38500 feet * CAP engaged: AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 38500. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment, at 114,137 (Tulagi) Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 94 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 37 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 24 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 24 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 12000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Shaoyang , at 80,52 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 18 Japanese aircraft losses G3M2 Nell: 3 damaged Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 15 Aircraft Attacking: 18 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 17 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 44 Aircraft Attacking: 17 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Sian , at 83,41 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 21 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 15 Aircraft Attacking: 21 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 25 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 40 Aircraft Attacking: 25 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 49th Australian Battalion, at 114,137 (Tulagi) Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 31 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 G3M2 Nell x 33 Japanese aircraft losses G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 33 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 12000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 43,500 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 38500 feet * 4 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 38500 feet * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Sian , at 83,41 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 20 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 6 damaged Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 17 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 2000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 2000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Sian , at 83,41 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 8 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 4 damaged Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 2000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 10 damaged Allied ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 8 Aircraft Attacking: 24 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kukong , at 79,57 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 34,940 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 2 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 32940 feet * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Siangtan , at 81,52 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 12 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 7th Chinese Corps, at 84,42 , near Sian Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-32 Mary x 25 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 25 x Ki-32 Mary bombing from 4000 feet * Ground Attack: 1 x 100 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 71st Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 7th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 71st Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 7th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 38,500 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-44 Tojo x 4 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Ki-44 Tojo sweeping at 35500 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Yenan , at 88,37 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 16 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 16 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 40th Chinese Corps, at 84,42 , near Sian Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 27 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 27 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 4000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 90th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 40th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 90th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 40th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 90th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 40th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 damaged Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 10 Aircraft Attacking: 18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Hengyang , at 80,53 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-48-Ib Lily x 23 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 9 Aircraft Attacking: 23 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 98th Chinese Corps, at 83,41 (Sian) Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 20 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-30 Ann: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 4000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 35th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 98th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 35th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 98th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kendari , at 70,106 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 8 No Allied losses Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 82,54 (Pingsiang) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft D3A1 Val x 3 Ki-27b Nate x 11 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment, at 114,137 (Tulagi) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 92 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 34 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 45 D3A1 Val x 113 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 4 damaged Allied ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 17 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 14 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... Also attacking 161st Infantry Rgt /3 ... Also attacking 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 49th Australian Battalion ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 6 Ki-51 Sonia x 4 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-36 Ida: 1 damaged Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 5000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 13 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 8 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 19 minutes Japanese aircraft D3A1 Val x 8 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 8 x D3A1 Val bombing from 20000 feet Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tulagi (114,137) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 31808 troops, 275 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1219 Defending force 7950 troops, 187 guns, 307 vehicles, Assault Value = 121 Japanese adjusted assault: 310 Allied adjusted defense: 91 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 309 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 45 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 674 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 57 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 88 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 31 (5 destroyed, 26 disabled) Vehicles lost 58 (14 destroyed, 44 disabled) Assaulting units: 62nd Infantry Group 64th Infantry Group 64th Naval Guard Unit 63rd Infantry Group Kure 3rd SNLF 42nd Naval Guard Unit 47th Naval Guard Unit Guards Mixed Brigade 83rd Naval Guard Unit 62nd Naval Guard Unit 67th Naval Guard Unit 7th Air Defense AA Regiment 16th Army 14th Naval Construction Battalion 38th JNAF AF Unit Defending units: 2/6th Armoured Regiment 161st Infantry Rgt /3 205th Coast AA Regiment 1st Medium Regiment 113th USAAF Base Force II US Fighter Cmnd 49th Australian Battalion 198th Field Artillery Battalion 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment 47th Construction Regiment 206th Coast AA Regiment 14th RAAF Base Force B Det USN Port Svc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 87,41 (near Tsiaotso) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 26558 troops, 203 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 899 Defending force 30066 troops, 148 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 871 Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 69th Division 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 1st Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 16th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 59th Chinese Corps 8th Group Army 7th Group Army 39th Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 3262 troops, 232 guns, 220 vehicles, Assault Value = 2858 Defending force 27662 troops, 513 guns, 313 vehicles, Assault Value = 551 Allied ground losses: 95 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled) Assaulting units: 25th/B Division 7th/B Division 23rd Nav Gd Unit 2nd Tank Regiment 7th/C Division 52nd/C Division 48th/C Division 25th/C Division 11th/B Division 146th Infantry Regiment 4th Tank Regiment 52nd/B Division 16th/C Division 48th/A Division 48th/B Division 65th Brigade 24th Nav Gsn Unit 8th Tank Regiment 32nd Nav Gsn Unit 19th Ind. Engineer Regiment 54th/C Division 16th/A Division 52nd/A Division 54th/B Division 54th/A Division 7th/A Division 16th/B Division 7th Tank Regiment 11th/A Division 66th Infantry Group 25th/A Division 11th/C Division 14th Army 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 2nd Mortar Battalion 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 41st PA Infantry Division 91st PA Infantry Division 14th PS Engineer Regiment Manila Bay Defenses 2nd PA Constabulary Regiment 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 21st PA Infantry Division 4th Marine Regiment 1st PA Infantry Division 192nd Tank Battalion 31st Infantry Regiment 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment 301st Construction Battalion Clark Field USAAF Base Force USAFFE 4th PA Constabulary Regiment II Philippine Corps 202nd PA Construction Battalion 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment 201st PA Construction Battalion 31st PA Infantry Division Provisional GMC Grp 194th Tank Battalion 1st PI Base Force 26th PS Cavalry Regiment PAF Aviation Bataan USN Base Force Far East USAAF Asiatic Fleet I Philippine Corps 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 85,43 (near Nanyang) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 290 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 937 Defending force 31622 troops, 162 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1161 Assaulting units: 36th Division 32nd Division 12th Army 11th Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 47th Chinese Corps 57th Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 76th Chinese Corps 1st War Area 4th Group Army 34th Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 103,126 (near Gasmata) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 299 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13 Defending force 135 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Japanese adjusted assault: 7 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-) experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: fatigue(-) Assaulting units: 2nd Indpt SNLF Coy Defending units: Lark Battalion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tulagi (114,137) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 3396 troops, 121 guns, 122 vehicles, Assault Value = 70 Defending force 33860 troops, 304 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 1179 Assaulting units: 2/6th Armoured Regiment 161st Infantry Rgt /3 113th USAAF Base Force 205th Coast AA Regiment 14th RAAF Base Force 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment 47th Construction Regiment II US Fighter Cmnd 1st Medium Regiment 49th Australian Battalion 198th Field Artillery Battalion 206th Coast AA Regiment B Det USN Port Svc Defending units: 64th Naval Guard Unit 64th Infantry Group 42nd Naval Guard Unit 62nd Naval Guard Unit Guards Mixed Brigade 83rd Naval Guard Unit Kure 3rd SNLF 63rd Infantry Group 62nd Infantry Group 47th Naval Guard Unit 67th Naval Guard Unit 7th Air Defense AA Regiment 14th Naval Construction Battalion 16th Army 38th JNAF AF Unit Hartwig

modrow -> China situation (7/30/2018 8:57:34 AM)
Gentlemen, I have mentioned the race to Sian in the China campaign and would like to provide you with an update and more complete information. Position 1 in the picture shown below represents the position of the original roadblock NY59giants that was broken by brute force and triggered my taking over this game. As you see, I struggled to try and set up a new roadblock at position 2. The problem was numbers - he has >3000 AV including 5 Tk regiments, Sian had nowhere near enough forces available to make a stand. The closest location where significant amounts of troops could be found was position 3 - which is, of course, a race on a slow road vs. a good road. Due to fortunate die rolls in ground combat, I now have what I have available at 2 - about 2k AV. I would feel ok with that if they were adequately supplied, but unfortunately the are not. If IJ manages to break through here, I will struggle to set up a new roadblock. There is not much in terms of a reserve. Hartwig [image]local://upfiles/22130/598894A8E9954B2298E10C07EB6A5ED9.jpg[/image]

modrow -> RE: China situation (7/30/2018 8:59:24 AM)
For a more complete picture, here is the southern part of China as well - a quiet front. Hartwig [image]local://upfiles/22130/EF4672DE6426452389A5DE1E7DA42CE4.jpg[/image]

GetAssista -> RE: China situation (7/30/2018 9:42:24 AM)
Why so few movement arrows on your Chinese LCUs around Nanyang? Most annoying Chinese strategy is to infiltrate with small units into every opening, cutting communications and making Japan spend time marching to root them out. Use those A/B/C new corps around his megastacks

modrow -> RE: China situation (7/30/2018 10:06:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista Why so few movement arrows on your Chinese LCUs around Nanyang? Most annoying Chinese strategy is to infiltrate with small units into every opening, cutting communications and making Japan spend time marching to root them out. Use those A/B/C new corps around his megastacks You mean like in the unit shown in the picture below which is located in a hex where no movement arrow is displayed but evidently there are still units marching?[:D] Plus I tend to avoid the open plains. That's why I would have set up the road blocks to Sian closer to Sian to start with and marched some smallish units into the hexes next to the road hex in front of the road block. That's also why I am not going after Nanyang proper right now. Hartwig [image]local://upfiles/22130/4CF35EE727034A2FAE52A86219AE17FE.jpg[/image]

GetAssista -> RE: China situation (7/30/2018 10:40:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: modrow quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista Why so few movement arrows on your Chinese LCUs around Nanyang? Most annoying Chinese strategy is to infiltrate with small units into every opening, cutting communications and making Japan spend time marching to root them out. Use those A/B/C new corps around his megastacks You mean like in the unit shown in the picture below which is located in a hex where no movement arrow is displayed but evidently there are still units marching?[:D] Plus I tend to avoid the open plains. That's why I would have set up the road blocks to Sian closer to Sian to start with and marched some smallish units into the hexes next to the road hex in front of the road block. That's also why I am not going after Nanyang proper right now. Hartwig That's a rather big Corp, still useful in the fighting. . Infiltration is meant to avoid fighting if possible and just be a looming communications threat and general annoyance, so done with as small groups as possible and accepting their eventual demise. Even if "small group" in China means a different thing than everywhere else in the world [:D] Codeword "cockroaches"! Plains are even better since there are hard roads on most of them for good marching speed so it is not easy to overtake your infantry to make them fight. And if Japan wants to spare bombers or even better, tanks to clear those units out then those are redirected from the frontlines making your life there easier and buying time to dig in.

modrow -> RE: China situation (7/30/2018 12:39:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista quote: ORIGINAL: modrow quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista Why so few movement arrows on your Chinese LCUs around Nanyang? Most annoying Chinese strategy is to infiltrate with small units into every opening, cutting communications and making Japan spend time marching to root them out. Use those A/B/C new corps around his megastacks You mean like in the unit shown in the picture below which is located in a hex where no movement arrow is displayed but evidently there are still units marching?[:D] Plus I tend to avoid the open plains. That's why I would have set up the road blocks to Sian closer to Sian to start with and marched some smallish units into the hexes next to the road hex in front of the road block. That's also why I am not going after Nanyang proper right now. Hartwig That's a rather big Corp, still useful in the fighting. . Infiltration is meant to avoid fighting if possible and just be a looming communications threat and general annoyance, so done with as small groups as possible and accepting their eventual demise. Even if "small group" in China means a different thing than everywhere else in the world [:D] Codeword "cockroaches"! Plains are even better since there are hard roads on most of them for good marching speed so it is not easy to overtake your infantry to make them fight. And if Japan wants to spare bombers or even better, tanks to clear those units out then those are redirected from the frontlines making your life there easier and buying time to dig in. Well, it's what I have available to try to interfere with the monster stack's supply at all. I stepped into this game 5 turns ago and have to work with what is available. There are no units that are no longer useful in the fighting near the frontlines apart from the ones which were just shattered, and those are not in a suitable position to go anywhere but ove along the road now. Maybe NY59giants managed to be beaten up less than usual (i.e. the average Allied player) [;)] Btw, there's a great post by Alfred about Allied approach to China to be chosen. I'll try to dig it out. Hartwig edited to clarify what I meant with "usual"

modrow -> RE: China situation (7/30/2018 12:48:01 PM)
Found it! Here it is, post #67. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3729997&mpage=3&key=�

modrow -> April 14 42 update (7/31/2018 12:37:36 PM)
Gentlemen, as there is still not too much happening, just a brief update: * Tulagi fell Ground combat at Tulagi (114,137) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 31464 troops, 275 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1185 Defending force 6925 troops, 177 guns, 288 vehicles, Assault Value = 69 Japanese adjusted assault: 483 Allied adjusted defense: 61 Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese forces CAPTURE Tulagi !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 477 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 52 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 4553 casualties reported Squads: 116 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 679 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 48 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 103 (103 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 385 (385 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 13 Assaulting units: 64th Infantry Group Kure 3rd SNLF 83rd Naval Guard Unit 62nd Naval Guard Unit 63rd Infantry Group Guards Mixed Brigade 47th Naval Guard Unit 62nd Infantry Group 64th Naval Guard Unit 42nd Naval Guard Unit 67th Naval Guard Unit 7th Air Defense AA Regiment 16th Army 14th Naval Construction Battalion 38th JNAF AF Unit Defending units: 2/6th Armoured Regiment 161st Infantry Rgt /3 198th Field Artillery Battalion II US Fighter Cmnd 113th USAAF Base Force 47th Construction Regiment 1st Medium Regiment 14th RAAF Base Force 205th Coast AA Regiment 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment 206th Coast AA Regiment 49th Australian Battalion B Det USN Port Svc * Bataan is about to fall Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 108386 troops, 1271 guns, 796 vehicles, Assault Value = 2981 Defending force 27544 troops, 508 guns, 310 vehicles, Assault Value = 544 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Japanese adjusted assault: 1661 Allied adjusted defense: 573 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-) supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 4820 casualties reported Squads: 17 destroyed, 332 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 53 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled Vehicles lost 27 (7 destroyed, 20 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3029 casualties reported Squads: 181 destroyed, 100 disabled Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 128 disabled Engineers: 5 destroyed, 17 disabled Guns lost 65 (40 destroyed, 25 disabled) Vehicles lost 38 (13 destroyed, 25 disabled) Assaulting units: 2nd Tank Regiment 146th Infantry Regiment 25th/C Division 7th/A Division 8th Tank Regiment 16th/A Division 52nd/B Division 7th Tank Regiment 11th/A Division 19th Ind. Engineer Regiment 54th/A Division 66th Infantry Group 16th/C Division 23rd Nav Gd Unit 32nd Nav Gsn Unit 48th/B Division 54th/C Division 11th/B Division 65th Brigade 52nd/C Division 52nd/A Division 48th/A Division 7th/B Division 25th/A Division 54th/B Division 24th Nav Gsn Unit 25th/B Division 7th/C Division 16th/B Division 4th Tank Regiment 48th/C Division 11th/C Division 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 2nd Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 14th Army 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 91st PA Infantry Division 31st Infantry Regiment 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 192nd Tank Battalion Manila Bay Defenses 41st PA Infantry Division 14th PS Engineer Regiment 21st PA Infantry Division 1st PA Infantry Division 4th Marine Regiment 2nd PA Constabulary Regiment 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment Provisional GMC Grp 201st PA Construction Battalion Clark Field USAAF Base Force 31st PA Infantry Division 194th Tank Battalion 301st Construction Battalion USAFFE 202nd PA Construction Battalion 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment 1st PI Base Force Far East USAAF 4th PA Constabulary Regiment II Philippine Corps PAF Aviation I Philippine Corps Asiatic Fleet Bataan USN Base Force 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment I guess this will lead to new operations in the southern pacific and, as soon as the fall of Bataan has occurred, in the southern DEI in the foreseeable future, as it frees LCUs for new tasks. I attach the intel screen, so you can see what this means in terms of points. The quite desirable air loss ratio stems from a little trap I could set in China, downing a number of unescorted bombers. Before you say do more of it, let me point out that it required drop tank availability, which is only a temporary condition. I'll use it when I can, but those are rare opportunities. Also, an IJ unit has been pursuing the shattered remnants of the former defenders of PM to the hex SE of Terapo. So the ground combat losses will go up some more soon. Hartwig edited to correct base name in red [image]local://upfiles/22130/8A23B99FC597475598A01840449C1C74.jpg[/image]

modrow -> Fall of Bataan (8/5/2018 9:08:23 PM)
Gentlemen, a brief update only - not too much action in the last few days. It is now April 17 and Bataan finally fell - another bunch of VP for IJ due to destruction of LCUs. Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 107691 troops, 1271 guns, 791 vehicles, Assault Value = 2880 Defending force 24536 troops, 445 guns, 289 vehicles, Assault Value = 386 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 1599 Allied adjusted defense: 229 Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Bataan !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2479 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 350 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 49 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 51 disabled Guns lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled) Vehicles lost 28 (5 destroyed, 23 disabled) Allied ground losses: 17339 casualties reported Squads: 831 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1480 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 132 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 663 (663 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 424 (424 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 32 Assaulting units: 52nd/B Division 8th Tank Regiment 7th/C Division 24th Nav Gsn Unit 16th/C Division 48th/A Division 25th/A Division 32nd Nav Gsn Unit 16th/A Division 52nd/C Division 4th Tank Regiment 48th/C Division 25th/C Division 7th/A Division 48th/B Division 54th/A Division 16th/B Division 146th Infantry Regiment 7th Tank Regiment 25th/B Division 52nd/A Division 11th/A Division 65th Brigade 2nd Tank Regiment 23rd Nav Gd Unit 11th/B Division 54th/C Division 7th/B Division 54th/B Division 66th Infantry Group 19th Ind. Engineer Regiment 11th/C Division 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 2nd Mortar Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Army 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 4th Marine Regiment Manila Bay Defenses 1st PA Infantry Division 41st PA Infantry Division 21st PA Infantry Division 2nd PA Constabulary Regiment 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment 201st PA Construction Battalion 31st Infantry Regiment 31st PA Infantry Division Bataan USN Base Force 202nd PA Construction Battalion 301st Construction Battalion I Philippine Corps 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment Clark Field USAAF Base Force Far East USAAF 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team Provisional GMC Grp 14th PS Engineer Regiment 4th PA Constabulary Regiment PAF Aviation 91st PA Infantry Division 1st PI Base Force USAFFE Asiatic Fleet 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 194th Tank Battalion II Philippine Corps 192nd Tank Battalion 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment Furthermore, enemy sent in a group of DDs to bombard Koepang. They did not do any damage, but retrieved the valuable information that 18th British Division is there - a pity, I would have preferred if this would have stayed a surprise. I saw them coming and tried to set up an intercept for the day phase, but it did not work. [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] That's all for now. Hartwig

Bif1961 -> RE: Fall of Bataan (8/6/2018 1:52:13 PM)
Are you going to pull them out now that the trap has been sprung and they might find themselves isolated and to wither on the vine for no good purpose?

modrow -> RE: Fall of Bataan (8/6/2018 10:10:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 Are you going to pull them out now that the trap has been sprung and they might find themselves isolated and to wither on the vine for no good purpose? Thanks for asking. I don't think I should pull them out now. I was quite glad I found that unit at that location, because IMO it serves a good purpose there that I cannot discuss now due to lack of time. But eventually, this assessment cannot be understood without having more information about the general status in the southern DEI. Hartwig

modrow -> Air war in Burma (8/8/2018 9:23:01 AM)
Gentlemen, another brief update with some data from April 18+19 42, restricted mainly due to a lack of action � which may be part of my opponent�s plan or just a consequence of both of us preparing for future action. In any case, I am trying to stir up some action where I can, simply to increase the VP denominator (the current ratio is 2.8:1 for IJ), but I am still limited in my options to do so at the moment for various reasons. But I have now started an air war in Burma, let�s see where it leads. I may have to learn a few lessons, because this is a no altitude limit game for fighters, whereas I have mostly played with a 2nd best mvr band rule, so some readjustments may be needed to optimize the results I get. The first two days went sort of ok with plane losses of 25:19 and 24:11 in my favour, respectively. The first would have been even better if some Blenheims would not have decided to go in without their escorts before the sweeps), so I will probably continue this for now. Hartwig

GetAssista -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/8/2018 9:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: modrow But I have now started an air war in Burma, let�s see where it leads. I may have to learn a few lessons, because this is a no altitude limit game for fighters, whereas I have mostly played with a 2nd best mvr band rule, so some readjustments may be needed to optimize the results I get. The first two days went sort of ok with plane losses of 25:19 and 24:11 in my favour, respectively. The first would have been even better if some Blenheims would not have decided to go in without their escorts before the sweeps), so I will probably continue this for now. I would welcome this kind of early Allied offensive as Japan. I train my pilots and kill off allied ones, and what is more important thin out Allied fighters pools that are already lacking in 42. I do not care much about my airframe losses, I will build better ones soon. Playing CAP trap with experienced Zero squadrons can be also very rewarding. What's not to like?

modrow -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/8/2018 2:02:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista quote: ORIGINAL: modrow But I have now started an air war in Burma, let�s see where it leads. I may have to learn a few lessons, because this is a no altitude limit game for fighters, whereas I have mostly played with a 2nd best mvr band rule, so some readjustments may be needed to optimize the results I get. The first two days went sort of ok with plane losses of 25:19 and 24:11 in my favour, respectively. The first would have been even better if some Blenheims would not have decided to go in without their escorts before the sweeps), so I will probably continue this for now. I would welcome this kind of early Allied offensive as Japan. I train my pilots and kill off allied ones, and what is more important thin out Allied fighters pools that are already lacking in 42. I do not care much about my airframe losses, I will build better ones soon. Playing CAP trap with experienced Zero squadrons can be also very rewarding. What's not to like? Thanks for your input. Apparently you and I play the game in a very different way. Which is fine and makes me appreciate that input all the more, it gives thought food for checking my believes. So please see what I write below as a point of view in a discussion. As Allied, I tend to spend my airframes while they are competitive (which, of course, requires trained pilots; I would tend to agree to your statements in the first two to three months or so) and try to influence the active theatres. The exception are the few ones that are not competitive to start with. But if you look at the airframe stats carefully, identifying strengths and weaknesses and use them appropriately, Allied planes can get you good results very quickly, as soon as you have trained pilots as well. If you say you will build better planes as IJ soon, does it make sense to conserve those Allied airframes until they face those better planes? I do not have any problem with lack of trained pilots as Allied (I train a lot of them, and one of the best things I saw when I openend the game file after taking over was that NY59Giants had a very good pilot training program, so my pools are flush with well trained pilots), and shooting down enemy planes is what you need to do to field really experienced pilots at some point of time, whereas I am not so sure about the experience benefits of being shot down, even if that pilot survives over his own base, but they may exist. Conversely, as Japan I hate every additional engine and airframe I have to build, every single plane I have to replace (costs supply), every single mission I have to fly (costs supply). The smaller the number of early war planes that I have to build is, the better. So I just love the Allied player sitting down and doing nothing, thus helping me to conserve what I will lack in the end. Last not least, I get a positive VP ratio on top of everything else. But as usual, that's just my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. But I've been doing quite well doing the things I do against the opponents I played so far. Hartwig

Bif1961 -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/8/2018 5:58:57 PM)
Not sure what the game mechanics are for giving experience points for being shot down. However the Japanese management of their pilots was similar to the Germans and almost every multiple ace was shot down multiple times. Since the Japanese planes are not as well armed or armored nor self-sealing fuel tanks, count it a blessing they survive being shot down.

RangerJoe -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/8/2018 7:09:46 PM)
Pilots lose experience when they are shot down. Somehow they develop emotional problems and get, as the say, nervous in the service. [;)]

modrow -> Is the DEI really important... (8/9/2018 7:30:45 PM)
� in this specific game? Gentlemen, I am curious to hear your views on the above question. But please do not rush blindly to the standard answer (which is valid in most cases and in the long run - but will there be a long run?) that DEI is of course crucial for IJ and any further thought can be dismissed as a fool's errand without further consideration. One of the peculiarities of the Allied position in this game is that they still control essentially all of Timor and Ceram including a mostly intact Dutch army (This is one of the reasons to which I alluded in my response to BIF1961's question in post #76). Potentially this is a great jumpoff position to cause massive trouble in the DEI/SRA region more quickly than usual. So naturally, IJ has to take care of that,a threat to that region is something that forces IJ to react and/or eliminate it � or not? I currently still cannot fathom my opponent properly � unfortunately, he is not very communicative in his mails and in the forums. But the longer I play against him, the stronger gets my impression that the Portland invasion may be part of a plan developed to attempt to get an early IJ autovictory by the beginning of 43. And if this is the case, is the DEI/SRA truly a region where IJ has to get active (especially as my opponent does have use of its oil and resources currently and my curtail some of his industry expenditures in an optimized pursuit of this strategy)? We have a 2.8:1 VP ratio right now, with only 7000 Allied points (which can be kept low by denying plane and ship VPs, this is why I think the lack of action can be part of a plan and why I am actually trying to get into more contact). For comparison, I dug out the data for the same game date in my latest PBEM game as Allied: 1.6:1 with about 11600 Allied points. You see that a lot of the difference is explained by the low VP denominator in this game, which is why I feel I have to look for ways to add VPs. (In view of the previous �welcome� early active Allied air war discussion, let me add that in said other game 2511 of those VPs are for destroyed IJ planes, wheras I lost 1779 planes in return; as for the issue of sustainability in that game we are in mid November 42 now with 6900 IJ and 4500 Allied planes destroyed). If, however, I were to pursue this early autovictory strategy as IJ, I would next look hard at the victory points to be gained in the Pacific. Check the big VP multiplier bases, most of which can still be taken and expanded � Luganville, Effate, Suva, Johnston Isl, Palmyra,� Full expansion of these bases will give you a bunch of additional points. Take Noumea to induce another notable VP loss (currently 300 IIRC) for Allied, complete buildup of high multiplier bases already in IJ hands, make use of China as a VP generation engine. If necessary, do one more late invasion, triggering another emergency package with a timing that it does not arrive in time to affect things significantly, chosen in a way that allows you to get strat bombing points. With sufficient concentration of assets and under KB cover, in my experience throughout 42 Allied strongpoints can still be destroyed and will provide not only base points and potential base points when expanded if they have a good VP multiplier, but also additional points for LCU destruction. So� from IJ's point of view maybe I could just look at anything happening in the DEI in a relaxed way as IJ and actually be glad about any activity/use of Allied assets in this area, because my Allied opponent is moving his reinforcements to an area that is of no real interest to me, fueled by hopes that this may be a way to avoid feeling the dire consequences of the Portland raid in 1944? Am I just paranoid, or do you think this may be a real possibility? Thanks for your views Hartwig (edited for clarification, more editing for spelling)

RangerJoe -> RE: Is the DEI really important... (8/9/2018 8:11:12 PM)
Don't forget NorPac with the base modifiers there. If he takes a base on the Canadian mainland or an island, he can strat bomb the US for points. He could also take the islands off Southern California and build them up for strat bombing. So try to keep track of the KB and consider hitting him where he is not. Even the Omaha class cruisers with DDs can wreck his convoy system if you can see where his search planes operate. I read where Nemo did that with his subs to see the detection, then ran in cruisers with guns blazing, avoiding the naval search areas on his way in. I do not have the game open so I can't check any bases for names and sizes but be alert. Don't forget, even PBYs on night Naval/Search with torpedoes can be deadly. Bombs will work on thin skinned targets as well. Flak is reduced at night and there probably would be no CAP. Sub laid mines in coastal hexes to damage his ships and force him to sweep them. Do this where in the bottlenecks where his cargo vessels would have to go to avoid the deep water where your subs are waiting.

Alfred -> RE: Is the DEI really important... (8/10/2018 2:10:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: modrow � in this specific game? Gentlemen, I am curious to hear your views on the above question. But please do not rush blindly to the standard answer (which is valid in most cases and in the long run - but will there be a long run?) that DEI is of course crucial for IJ and any further thought can be dismissed as a fool's errand without further consideration. One of the peculiarities of the Allied position in this game is that they still control essentially all of Timor and Ceram including a mostly intact Dutch army (This is one of the reasons to which I alluded in my response to BIF1961's question in post #76). Potentially this is a great jumpoff position to cause massive trouble in the DEI/SRA region more quickly than usual. So naturally, IJ has to take care of that,a threat to that region is something that forces IJ to react and/or eliminate it � or not? I currently still cannot fathom my opponent properly � unfortunately, he is not very communicative in his mails and in the forums. But the longer I play against him, the stronger gets my impression that the Portland invasion may be part of a plan developed to attempt to get an early IJ autovictory by the beginning of 43. And if this is the case, is the DEI/SRA truly a region where IJ has to get active (especially as my opponent does have use of its oil and resources currently and my curtail some of his industry expenditures in an optimized pursuit of this strategy)? We have a 2.8:1 VP ratio right now, with only 7000 Allied points (which can be kept low by denying plane and ship VPs, this is why I think the lack of action can be part of a plan and why I am actually trying to get into more contact). For comparison, I dug out the data for the same game date in my latest PBEM game as Allied: 1.6:1 with about 11600 Allied points. You see that a lot of the difference is explained by the low VP denominator in this game, which is why I feel I have to look for ways to add VPs. (In view of the previous �welcome� early active Allied air war discussion, let me add that in said other game 2511 of those VPs are for destroyed IJ planes, wheras I lost 1779 planes in return; as for the issue of sustainability in that game we are in mid November 42 now with 6900 IJ and 4500 Allied planes destroyed). If, however, I were to pursue this early autovictory strategy as IJ, I would next look hard at the victory points to be gained in the Pacific. Check the big VP multiplier bases, most of which can still be taken and expanded � Luganville, Effate, Suva, Johnston Isl, Palmyra,� Full expansion of these bases will give you a bunch of additional points. Take Noumea to induce another notable VP loss (currently 300 IIRC) for Allied, complete buildup of high multiplier bases already in IJ hands, make use of China as a VP generation engine. If necessary, do one more late invasion, triggering another emergency package with a timing that it does not arrive in time to affect things significantly, chosen in a way that allows you to get strat bombing points. With sufficient concentration of assets and under KB cover, in my experience throughout 42 Allied strongpoints can still be destroyed and will provide not only base points and potential base points when expanded if they have a good VP multiplier, but also additional points for LCU destruction. So� from IJ's point of view maybe I could just look at anything happening in the DEI in a relaxed way as IJ and actually be glad about any activity/use of Allied assets in this area, because my Allied opponent is moving his reinforcements to an area that is of no real interest to me, fueled by hopes that this may be a way to avoid feeling the dire consequences of the Portland raid in 1944? Am I just paranoid, or do you think this may be a real possibility? Thanks for your views Hartwig (edited for clarification, more editing for spelling) Being paranoid is good in war. The logic of this strategy is to go after Australia rather than the South Pacific. The VP multiplier for Japan is generally much higher on the Australian bases plus the infrastructure is already built there and likely to have been further built up by the end of 1942. This strategy does not allow Japan the time to build up infrastructure which is the main problem with focussing on the few high multiplier South Pacific bases like Noumea et al. The more Allied assets forward deployed to counter the standard Japanese expansion operations the less available to defend Sydney/Melbourne from a massed IJA landing in December 1942. Those bases have a 100x multiplier and there are few bases elsewhere with equivalent multipliers. Plus there are many other Australian bases with excellent multipliers which exist outside of the Australian LOD. Alfred

Alfred -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/10/2018 3:47:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Pilots lose experience when they are shot down. Somehow they develop emotional problems and get, as the say, nervous in the service. [;)] I've started to see this claim being made. Where is the evidence that this actually occurs, that the code imposes this penalty on the pilot. Alfred

BBfanboy -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/10/2018 5:06:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Pilots lose experience when they are shot down. Somehow they develop emotional problems and get, as the say, nervous in the service. [;)] I've started to see this claim being made. Where is the evidence that this actually occurs, that the code imposes this penalty on the pilot. Alfred Could be the pilot going to a new aircraft type after being shot down that changes the experience level?

Alfred -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/10/2018 7:15:44 AM)
Hartwig, Just to add to your paranoia ... [:)] If your opponent is not pursuing a 1 Jan 1943 Auto Victory objective but instead the Portland operation was meant to facilitate long term survival, an alternative Japanese strategy would be to take advantage of the great loss of Allied carrier plane platforms by capturing bases which can only be approached by sea. The obvious focus for this strategy is not the North Pacific or the South Pacific, both being theatres which the Allies can approach by land, but to go for the whole of Hawaii. Whilst, with the exception of Pearl Harbor, the Hawaiian VP multipliers are no where near as good as those for the Australian bases (see post #85), an Allied return is only possible via carrier support. The loss of all those CVEs and other ships at Portland makes an Allied return so much more difficult. Once the whole of Hawaii is captured by Japan, there is no need to maintain the islands fully supplied. All that Japan needs are a few xAKs to shuttle Resources from Hilo to feed the Light Industry of Pearl Harbor. The occasional xAK from outlying Resource producing islands (eg Nauru) carrying Resources (or supply and fuel in the cargo hold) will top up the limited supply/fuel requirements. Then when the numerator has to be maximised (perhaps for Auto Victory purposes) or to anticipate an Allied counter move, full supply convoys can be sent out from Japan. The point is that there is no combat malus endured by Japanese forces if they are not in touch with the enemy. Don't overlook that the Pearl Harbor shipyard would be a very valuable asset for Japan to acquire for any future operations. Plus with Hawaii, Japan still retains the interior lines for operations whilst forcing the Allies to even more distant exterior lines. Again more strain on the reduced Allied naval resources. If this is indeed your opponents strategy then it makes sense to implement it after the Philippine and Solomon operations conclude. Then substantial Japanese assets become available to overcome what ever Allied reinforcements have been sent to Hawaii in the interim. In fact if Hawaii has been reinforced and subsequently those units are destroyed, that will push back even further any Allied return to Hawaii. The nature of your musings on this AAR clearly confirm that you are not concurrently playing WitG(arden):AE. Anyway no need to thank me, we on the red Chesterfields with our cognacs are in an excellent position to feed your paranoia.[;)] Alfred

Alfred -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/10/2018 7:30:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Pilots lose experience when they are shot down. Somehow they develop emotional problems and get, as the say, nervous in the service. [;)] I've started to see this claim being made. Where is the evidence that this actually occurs, that the code imposes this penalty on the pilot. Alfred Could be the pilot going to a new aircraft type after being shot down that changes the experience level? Ah, but that is a well known game mechanic which has nothing to do with the pilot being shot down. Any pilot with experience 50 and above suffers an experience level drop when assigned to an aircraft type which is different from his last aircraft type, irrespective if he is moved directly between aircraft types or indirectly via the Pilot Reserve Pool. In fact if the game were to have a mechanic whereby shot down pilots lost experience it would also need to include a mechanic whereby a shot down pilot actually gained experience. A level 40 experience pilot who is shot down by an enemy level 90 experience pilot and who survives, is in fact likely to have learnt a great deal from the encounter. Of course it is the A2A skill levels of the respective pilots which do figure prominently in the aerial fight. The Defence skill is also important. Both are more likely to improve as a result of surviving combat. Combat never reduces pilot skills. Alfred

RangerJoe -> RE: Air war in Burma (8/10/2018 6:08:02 PM)
quote: In attacking the IJ fights over the Allied territory. Without armor and with fragile planes, losing the pre-war 70-80 experience pilots becomes all too regular even with apparent superiority. The Allied pilots, even when shot down, often live to fight another day. While those that are shot down lose experience from being wounded, the group as a whole gains skill and kills. In looking at the CR Sutton thread asking for pilot losses recently Allied players had decidedly fewer pilots lost at ALL stages of the game. One P-38 sweep in late 42 can wipe out half your 'expert' group flying the A6M. pilots lose experience from being shot down and wounded

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