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witpqs -> Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 5:01:26 PM)
I'm looking to see if this is an issue at all: who is running a 32-bit version of Windows? All PC's sold for a long time have been 64-bit hardware, but some people might have 32-bit Windows 7 or 10 running on it. This page shows you how to easily see which you have: https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001121.htm The pre-Beta of Intel Monkey was distributed in a 32-bit executable, but I am considering switching over to a 64-bit distribution. If enough people have 32-bit I might make a second, 32-bit, distribution for the time being.

USSAmerica -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 5:34:13 PM)
I'm pretty sure both of my systems at home are running 64-bit.

RogerJNeilson -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 6:31:42 PM)
My Mac is 64bit. Roger

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 6:35:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3 My Mac is 64bit. Roger Mmm, in your case then it would also matter which version of Windows (32 vs 64 bit) is running under - what is it? - Parallels/Boot Camp or whichever one you are using.

RogerJNeilson -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 6:43:46 PM)
Hmm, ok in that case its unfortunately 32bit. Roger

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 6:52:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3 Hmm, ok in that case its unfortunately 32bit. Roger I'll figure out something. [:)]

RangerJoe -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 6:53:05 PM)
My current system is 64 bit. But if I get an apartment and a computer out of storage, that might be 32 bit.

RogerJNeilson -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 6:54:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3 Hmm, ok in that case its unfortunately 32bit. Roger I'll figure out something. [:)] Current version is fine for my purpose so don't exert yourself if I am a tiny minority of 1...... Roger

USSAmerica -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 7:05:42 PM)
Roger, I'm sure you're not the only person still running 32bit Windows versions. Probably another 2 years or so before the vast majority are onto 64bit.

BillBrown -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 7:09:57 PM)
64-bit Windows 7 here.

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 8:20:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: USSAmerica Roger, I'm sure you're not the only person still running 32bit Windows versions. Probably another 2 years or so before the vast majority are onto 64bit. I suspect the vast majority already are on 64-bit because it's been a long time since all PC's sold have been 64-bit, and it wasn't too long after that Windows shipping on the PC's was all 64-bit. Roger - and maybe a few others - are in the situation of working with a (likely) older license of Windows which was 32-bit they used to load up Windows on their Mac.

RogerJNeilson -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/9/2018 8:22:55 PM)
I use parallels and my copy of Windows is W7. I never did download the 'free' W10 when it was available and wouldn't care to pay them for it these days. Roger

Reg -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:21:47 AM)
I'm running 32bit Windows 8.1. My hardware is a bit old (It originally shipped with XP - don't ask how I got the hardware drivers loaded....[X(]). However the same model laptop runs just fine as Win7 64bit as that is how my work machine was set up (upgraded from Win2000) for several years. The reason I went for 32bit was that my hardware only supports 4GB of physical memory and since 32bit is limited to 3.65GB and is less resource hungry, why not use the the more efficient installation disk (I have both). [:'(] However, anyone with modern hardware that supports more than 4GB of memory would be an idiot not to go 64bit. These days I would say that would be just about everyone. [:)]

Alfred -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:34:02 AM)
Agree with Reg that there would be very few people still operating on a 32 bit system. Of those the majority would be corporations that still maintain XP as their OS. Alfred

RichardAckermann -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:57:48 AM)
My main PC is using Win 2000, 32 bit. Secondary PC Win98, reserve PC Win95. Virtual Win98 on main PC for older programs. One Commodore Amiga 500 for the really old stuff.

Lokasenna -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 4:31:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred Agree with Reg that there would be very few people still operating on a 32 bit system.� Of those the majority would be corporations that still maintain XP as their OS. Alfred� I hope they aren't using the internet. I would actually assume that the vast majority of 32-bit installations these days are Windows 7. Those computers would be about 10-11 years old.

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 4:36:36 PM)
A little perspective adding to comments by Reg, Alfred, and others. Recent versions of Python do not support Windows XP; Windows 2000 is even older than XP and is not supported. The Intel Monkey pre-Beta, packaged into an executable, uses Python 3.6. I will use Python 3.7 for the Beta. I used 32-bit Python for the pre-Beta but will switch to 64-bit for the Beta and beyond. That will continue to be packaged into an executable with an installer. I do expect the numbers of people using 32-bit to be really low. I want to see also who (in terms of technical expertise) is using 32-bit so I can sort out what to do for supporting that. I almost certainly will not keep a 32-bit Python installation to package a 32-bit version into an installer, so that means using 32-bit Windows for IM will require having the needed version of Python installed. If there are enough people using 32-bit I can make a separate installer so it's easier to install initially and make updates correctly. I presume many of the people running 32-bit will turn out to be tech savvy folks keeping some older hardware going, or running 32-bit Windows in VM's, etc inside other OS's. But I know we also have many AE folks who just have really old hardware. The stuff running XP, 2000, and so on I won't support because even the basic infrastructure (like the modern Python versions) no longer support those systems.

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 4:41:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred Agree with Reg that there would be very few people still operating on a 32 bit system.� Of those the majority would be corporations that still maintain XP as their OS. Alfred� I hope they aren't using the internet. I would actually assume that the vast majority of 32-bit installations these days are Windows 7. Those computers would be about 10-11 years old. A friend of ours died two weeks ago. We've been over there a couple of times since; on Wednesday we were helping get his Windows 7 PC running again so she could get bills paid (legal paperwork will still take a while to sort out). For whatever reason some cables were unplugged even though it was his daily driver. He might just have been in the middle of a little rewiring and not finished it. That machine is from 2005 and is running Windows 7.

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 4:42:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RichardAckermann My main PC is using Win 2000, 32 bit. Secondary PC Win98, reserve PC Win95. Virtual Win98 on main PC for older programs. One Commodore Amiga 500 for the really old stuff. Quite a collection! [X(] [8D]

rustysi -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:29:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: RichardAckermann My main PC is using Win 2000, 32 bit. Secondary PC Win98, reserve PC Win95. Virtual Win98 on main PC for older programs. One Commodore Amiga 500 for the really old stuff. Quite a collection! [X(] [8D] A veritable museum of machines and OS's.[:D]

RangerJoe -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:34:00 PM)
quote: My main PC is using Win 2000, 32 bit. Secondary PC Win98, reserve PC Win95. Virtual Win98 on main PC for older programs. One Commodore Amiga 500 for the really old stuff. Antiques were built to last a long time . . .

rustysi -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:41:11 PM)
quote: Antiques were built to last a long time . . Yeah... no. My C-64, SX-64, Pentium III, all died horrible deaths.[:D]

witpqs -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 7:53:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rustysi quote: Antiques were built to last a long time . . Yeah... no. My C-64, SX-64, Pentium III, all died horrible deaths.[:D] I have a Pentium III in 'storage' (wife might say "junk") with an upgraded 160 Mhz CPU. I still have the original 90 MHz CPU if you need it.

RangerJoe -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 8:11:11 PM)
quote: quote: Antiques were built to last a long time . . Yeah... no. My C-64, SX-64, Pentium III, all died horrible deaths. Then they are not antiques but rather paper weights, door stops, or if heavy enough, anchors . . .

BillBrown -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 8:16:54 PM)
I didn't keep too many old ones, I do have a Dell XPS in the closet if my main computer should ever fail. It's only about 12 ears old.

Lokasenna -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/10/2018 10:50:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BillBrown I didn't keep too many old ones, I do have a Dell XPS in the closet if my main computer should ever fail. It's only about 12 ears old. My actual rig hasn't been upgraded in 7. Feels weird.

RichardAckermann -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/11/2018 8:18:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rustysi quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: RichardAckermann My main PC is using Win 2000, 32 bit. Secondary PC Win98, reserve PC Win95. Virtual Win98 on main PC for older programs. One Commodore Amiga 500 for the really old stuff. Quite a collection! [X(] [8D] A veritable museum of machines and OS's.[:D] Museum???!!! Those things are the finest in electronics I ever had in my possession! Show some respect for veterans! I run a constant advertisement, offering free pickup of old computers and parts/monitors in my vicinity. Never again had to buy a computer and my basement is filled with spare parts and spare computers. They perfectly do the job, might just be a bit slow on surfing the web.

rustysi -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/11/2018 6:43:54 PM)
quote: I still have the original 90 MHz CPU if you need it. Thanks, but no need. I don't do desktops any more, strictly laptops now. My 'old' one is an XP machine I got back in '02. My 'latest' is an Alienware coming up on 8 years old. Plan to get a new one sometime around the end of this year.

rustysi -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/11/2018 6:50:52 PM)
quote: might just be a bit slow on surfing the web. Never saw the speed of the computer as slowing down web browsing. Now games, yes. Place your cursor on a base and click it. Now hit the '5' key. How long does it take to return a response. Mine is instant. Heck on my 'old' laptop the game was rather slow. I even used to turn off a lot of the background processes to get some software to run better. When that starts to happen its time to buy a new machine. At least for me. But to each his own.[:)]

BBfanboy -> RE: Query: 32-bit Windows (8/11/2018 9:33:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rustysi quote: might just be a bit slow on surfing the web. Never saw the speed of the computer as slowing down web browsing. Now games, yes. Place your cursor on a base and click it. Now hit the '5' key. How long does it take to return a response. Mine is instant. Heck on my 'old' laptop the game was rather slow. I even used to turn off a lot of the background processes to get some software to run better. When that starts to happen its time to buy a new machine. At least for me. But to each his own.[:)] There can be other factors. I have an Alienware tower with lots of memory and a very good video card, but had a long delay in response when I pressed the 5 key to look at supply flow. Then I added -cpu 2 to my command line switches and it became practically instant. I am also considering an Alienware laptop so I can take the game on the road. I would be interested in the size and specs of your choice in laptop.

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