RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies)

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adarbrauner -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/7/2018 4:41:29 PM)
The root of the route of rout The origin or philology of the word

Bif1961 -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 1:58:20 AM)
If you use the wrong route it might end in a rout.

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 3:34:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner Did you set your small destroyers squadron route voluntarily in a way such to intercept after the shore bombardment? If so, why with only 2 destroyers and not 3 or 4? To lessen the risk and squadron's detection? If so, a jem, worth embedding in WITPAE annals. Yes, I plotted the route to avoid the bombardment force on the way in hoping to catch either it on the way back, or an ambib TF on the way in or dallying, or the covering American Carrier force. I only used 2 destroyers, because the IJN fleet is spread out, re-armament is at Parashimuro. Low surface threat was selected, so as to launch torpedoes and run...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 3:52:58 PM)
3rd Week of July 1942 Cat and Mouse game here in the Aleutians...most of the Allied navy is here including POW and Repulse. 100 Allied Fighters flying LRCAP over Amchitka So far the Allies pretty much like big task forces with multiple ship types in them including mine sweepers. Americans have landed a 2nd contingent of troops on Amchitka, the 32nd Division...now up to 17 AV. Hard to see how there won't be fireworks on the morrow...the American Battelships should be rearmed...thunderstorms and 67% moonlight. [image]local://upfiles/44178/7DD1614288D546438DF64306E26F3B98.jpg[/image]

adarbrauner -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 8:10:36 PM)
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adarbrauner -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 8:11:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner Did you set your small destroyers squadron route voluntarily in a way such to intercept after the shore bombardment? If so, why with only 2 destroyers and not 3 or 4? To lessen the risk and squadron's detection? If so, a jem, worth embedding in WITPAE annals. Yes, I plotted the route to avoid the bombardment force on the way in hoping to catch either it on the way back, or an ambib TF on the way in or dallying, or the covering American Carrier force. I only used 2 destroyers, because the IJN fleet is spread out, re-armament is at Parashimuro. Low surface threat was selected, so as to launch torpedoes and run... Just wonderful

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 10:45:43 PM)
July 22, 1942 Amchitka's wireless lights up...invasion fleet spotted, landing...send help! Only three of the Allies six battleships are spotted so far...where are they? The moderns? Invasion Support action off Amchitka Island (158,52) Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 33 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DD Kane APD Gregory DD Kane fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 189 encounters mine field at Amchitka Island (158,52) Allied Ships DMS Chandler DMS Long DMS Perry DMS Dorsey DMS Lamberton DMS Boggs DMS Fox APD Waters BB New Mexico, Mine hits 1 42 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Amchitka Island (158,52) Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 46 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships BB New Mexico BB Idaho BB Nevada DD Maury APD Crosby DD Dunlap Japanese ground losses: 540 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 22 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled BB New Mexico firing at Kure 5th SNLF BB Idaho firing at Kure 5th SNLF BB Nevada firing at 8th JNAF AF Unit DD Maury firing at Kure 5th SNLF DD Maury fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Amchitka Island (158,52) TF 189 troops unloading over beach at Amchitka Island, 158,52 Allied ground losses: 194 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 10 (0 destroyed, 10 disabled) Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) 13 troops of a USA 41 Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 32nd Infantry Div /31

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 10:49:10 PM)
Once again, the one day late to spring the big trap...but the IJN had analyzed the Allied tactical stratagems, and decided that this worthless little island, a destroyer rush could cause maximum damage for minimum downside while the IJN heavies stayed fresh, and safe.... The first destroyer squadron in...and they land two torpedoes. Allied fleet composition is perfectly composed for the destroyer rush. [image]local://upfiles/44178/2793FC9FB2E74AE29B648E26D2ECB54E.jpg[/image] Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 4,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Shiranui, Shell hits 1 DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 13, and is sunk DD Oshio Allied Ships BB Nevada BB Idaho, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1 BB New Mexico, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1 DD O'Brien DD Walke, Shell hits 1 DD Maury DD Dunlap DMS Fox APD Stringham APD Waters APD Crosby DMS Boggs DMS Lamberton DMS Dorsey DMS Perry DMS Long DMS Chandler AP Henderson xAP Mount Vernon xAP President Coolidge xAP Maui xAP Princess Joan xAP Empress ' Scotland xAP Idomeneus xAP Noordam xAP Am. Press, Shell hits 3, on fire xAP Agwimonte xAP Perida Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching! How in the world is this a surprise? Allied TF begins to get underway Reduced visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards Range closes to 6,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 6,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards BB Nevada collides with APD Crosby at 158 , 52 DD Oshio engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards DD Hagikaze engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Shiranui at 4,000 yards DD Oshio engages BB New Mexico at 4,000 yards DD Hagikaze engages BB Idaho at 4,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Shiranui at 4,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB New Mexico engages DD Hagikaze at 2,000 yards DD Hagikaze sunk by BB Idaho at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards DD Shiranui engages BB Idaho at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 2,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Shiranui at 2,000 yards DD Shiranui engages xAP Am. Press at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Oshio engages BB New Mexico at 3,000 yards BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 3,000 yards BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 3,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Shiranui at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 2,000 yards Allied Task Force Manages to Escape Task forces break off...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 10:56:33 PM)
2nd Squadron in...scratch one battleship![:)] [image]local://upfiles/44178/82F14F1F9D6B4ACCBFD7DE59BA8767F4.jpg[/image] Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 6,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships DD Yukikaze DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 8, and is sunk DD Yamagumo Allied Ships BB Nevada, Shell hits 13 BB Idaho, Shell hits 9, on fire BB New Mexico, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk DD O'Brien DD Walke, Shell hits 1 DD Maury DD Dunlap DMS Fox APD Stringham APD Waters APD Crosby DMS Boggs DMS Lamberton DMS Dorsey DMS Perry DMS Long DMS Chandler AP Henderson xAP Mount Vernon xAP President Coolidge xAP Maui xAP Princess Joan xAP Empress ' Scotland xAP Idomeneus xAP Noordam xAP Am. Press, heavy fires xAP Agwimonte xAP Perida Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching! Allied TF begins to get underway Poor visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards DD Tanikaze engages BB Idaho at 6,000 yards DD Tanikaze engages DD Walke at 6,000 yards DMS Perry collides with APD Crosby at 158 , 52 Crosby again! DD Yamagumo engages BB New Mexico at 6,000 yards DD Walke engages DD Tanikaze at 6,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 6,000 yards DD Walke engages DD Yamagumo at 6,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards BB New Mexico sunk by DD Tanikaze at 4,000 yards DD Tanikaze engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 4,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Yamagumo engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Yamagumo engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 3,000 yards DD Walke engages DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Tanikaze at 3,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 3,000 yards DD Yukikaze engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards DD Tanikaze engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Yamagumo at 2,000 yards DD Tanikaze sunk by BB Nevada at 2,000 yards Range increases to 6,000 yards AP Henderson , xAP Perida , xAP Agwimonte , xAP Am. Press , xAP Noordam , xAP Idomeneus , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Princess Joan , xAP Maui , xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat - escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke , DD O'Brien , DMS Chandler , DMS Long DD Yukikaze engages BB Nevada at 6,000 yards Range increases to 7,000 yards AP Henderson , xAP Perida , xAP Agwimonte , xAP Am. Press , xAP Noordam , xAP Idomeneus , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Princess Joan , xAP Maui screened from combat - escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke , DD O'Brien , DMS Chandler , DMS Long BB Idaho engages DD Yukikaze at 7,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Yukikaze at 7,000 yards Allied Task Force Manages to Escape Task forces break off...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 11:01:42 PM)
3rd Squadron in, all squadrons set to flank speed, low threat, direct (air), and Buildr Island home port. [image]local://upfiles/44178/294DB6A5DB5A4646B0328C89167648C4.jpg[/image] Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Kuroshio, Shell hits 1 DD Minegumo DD Yomogi Allied Ships BB Nevada, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire BB Idaho, Shell hits 11, on fire DD O'Brien DD Walke DD Maury DD Dunlap DMS Fox APD Stringham APD Waters APD Crosby DMS Boggs, Shell hits 2 DMS Lamberton DMS Dorsey DMS Perry DMS Long DMS Chandler AP Henderson, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAP Mount Vernon xAP President Coolidge xAP Maui xAP Princess Joan xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 2 xAP Idomeneus xAP Noordam, Shell hits 5, on fire xAP Am. Press, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage xAP Agwimonte xAP Perida, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 63 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 9 (7 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 35 (28 destroyed, 7 disabled) Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching! Allied TF begins to get underway Poor visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 6,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 6,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Kuroshio at 6,000 yards xAP Perida sunk by DD Kuroshio at 6,000 yards DD Minegumo engages xAP Am. Press at 6,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards DD Minegumo engages AP Henderson at 5,000 yards DD Dunlap engages DD Minegumo at 5,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Yomogi at 4,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 4,000 yards AP Henderson sunk by DD Kuroshio at 4,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 2,000 yards DD Yomogi engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards DD Minegumo engages DMS Lamberton at 2,000 yards DD Minegumo engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards DD Minegumo engages xAP Noordam at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Yomogi engages DD Dunlap at 3,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 3,000 yards DD Dunlap engages DD Kuroshio at 3,000 yards DD Yomogi engages DD O'Brien at 3,000 yards DD Minegumo engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 3,000 yards DD O'Brien engages DD Yomogi at 3,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 3,000 yards DD O'Brien engages DD Kuroshio at 3,000 yards DD Minegumo engages DMS Boggs at 3,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 4,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 4,000 yards DD Yomogi engages DD Dunlap at 4,000 yards DD Minegumo engages DMS Long at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards DD O'Brien engages DD Yomogi at 3,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 3,000 yards Allied Task Force Manages to Escape Task forces break off...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 11:06:46 PM)
The final squadron in...now, I wish I had sent the heavies...but the American Carriers are out there somewhere, as is a size 6 airbase...so, maybe I am not to sad that I didn't send in the heavies. [image]local://upfiles/44178/D6A7B5231947484C80B375BA3EE71B91.jpg[/image] Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Natsushio, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yugure DD Yanagi Allied Ships BB Nevada, Shell hits 3, heavy fires BB Idaho, Shell hits 9, heavy fires DD O'Brien DD Walke DD Maury DD Dunlap DMS Fox APD Stringham, Shell hits 1 APD Waters APD Crosby, Shell hits 3 DMS Boggs, on fire DMS Lamberton DMS Dorsey DMS Perry DMS Long DMS Chandler xAP Mount Vernon xAP President Coolidge xAP Maui xAP Princess Joan xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 2 xAP Idomeneus, Shell hits 4, heavy fires xAP Noordam, heavy fires xAP Am. Press, and is sunk xAP Agwimonte Allied ground losses: 129 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled) Reduced visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 11,000 yards Allied ships attempt to get underway Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards DD Walke engages DD Yanagi at 6,000 yards DD Yugure engages DD Walke at 6,000 yards DD Dunlap engages DD Yugure at 6,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards DD Yanagi engages DD Dunlap at 4,000 yards DD Yugure engages DD Dunlap at 4,000 yards DD Dunlap engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards DD Natsushio engages APD Stringham at 4,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Yugure engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards DD Yanagi engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards DD Walke engages DD Yanagi at 4,000 yards DD Dunlap engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards DD Yanagi engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Yanagi at 2,000 yards DD Yugure engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards DD Walke collides with DMS Fox at 158 , 52 BB Idaho engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards DD Yugure engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages APD Crosby at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages xAP Idomeneus at 2,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards DD Yugure engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages DD O'Brien at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 2,000 yards BB Idaho engages DD Yanagi at 2,000 yards BB Nevada engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards DD Natsushio engages xAP Idomeneus at 2,000 yards Allied Task Force Manages to Escape Task forces break off...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 11:11:03 PM)
On the fourth squadrons attack, the task force was dispersed according to the battle replay, but I cannot find confirming intelligence on this in any Japanese report. I wonder what exactly this means?

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 11:17:18 PM)
Big picture -- there is no strike against the destroyers which all make Buldir Island...oh, to have sent in the heavies last. Allied air power had 120 plane lrcap over the invasion fleet, and Japan didn't contest this at all...but is now poised and fresh. [image]local://upfiles/44178/AEA24D759DD448A59E91C878AB0403C5.jpg[/image] Invasion Interruptus! Ground combat at Amchitka Island (158,52) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 1581 troops, 26 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 77 Defending force 1702 troops, 72 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 64 Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 19th Ind Engineer Regiment Kure 5th SNLF 3rd Indpt SNLF Coy 53rd JNAF AF Unit 15th Naval Construction Battalion 8th JNAF AF Unit 3rd Mortar Bn /1 Defending units: 32nd Infantry Div /2 2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 632nd TD Bn /1

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/8/2018 11:26:04 PM)
On the Chungking Plains...here in July, so much for Asian Roads slowing down the conquest of China. Kienko safely in Japanese hands with air support being flown in. Ground combat at 78,42 (near Kienko - south) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 4527 troops, 127 guns, 587 vehicles, Assault Value = 251 Defending force 42200 troops, 248 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 686 Japanese adjusted assault: 296 Allied adjusted defense: 57 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-) supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 56 (3 destroyed, 53 disabled) Allied ground losses: 17537 casualties reported Squads: 534 destroyed, 83 disabled Non Combat: 580 destroyed, 24 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 37 (19 destroyed, 18 disabled) Units retreated 13 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 13th Tank Regiment 12th Tank Regiment 9th Tank Regiment 23rd Tank Regiment 15th Tank Regiment 3rd Tank Regiment 11th Tank Regiment 7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Army 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 1st Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion Defending units: 18th Chinese Corps 80th Chinese Corps 48th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 95th Chinese Corps 22nd Group Army Jingcha War Area 12th Chinese Corps 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment 39th New Chinese Division 4th Chinese Base Force

Lokasenna -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/9/2018 5:12:16 AM)
You may still be facing a multi-month siege of Chungking. What's the VP situation looking like? I grow concerned that he may not be able to mount a counteroffensive in time to stave off an AV if you keep going like this for another 7-9 months.

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/9/2018 4:46:16 PM)
Chungking won't fall for several months, correct. VP ratio is 3.3, with Port Moresby invasion forming up now. However, I think I royally screwed up this turns orders with an accidental remain on station. We shall see...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/10/2018 1:12:46 PM)
No turn from the Allies... I am hard pressed to understand the Allies overall goal given the tactics used. They pretty much did a masterful sir robyn after an early clash with Force Z. Then to throw it all away in early unsupported attacks on Tabby and now in the Aleutians. Yeah, you could argue the game would be boring until mid/late 1943, but that is not my experience as there could be very interesting limited offensives in and around the NG, Solomons, etc., etc. I wonder to what degree the IJN offensive against Ceylon prompted the Tabby response as a means of doing something? And then the Aluetians response, in response to the Tabby debacle, either to draw the fleet from Tabby and allow some rescue there or simply just to do something.

Bif1961 -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 12:41:05 AM)
Maybe they did a PQ-17 and scattered?

obvert -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 10:57:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe No turn from the Allies... I am hard pressed to understand the Allies overall goal given the tactics used. They pretty much did a masterful sir robyn after an early clash with Force Z. Then to throw it all away in early unsupported attacks on Tabby and now in the Aleutians. Yeah, you could argue the game would be boring until mid/late 1943, but that is not my experience as there could be very interesting limited offensives in and around the NG, Solomons, etc., etc. I wonder to what degree the IJN offensive against Ceylon prompted the Tabby response as a means of doing something? And then the Aluetians response, in response to the Tabby debacle, either to draw the fleet from Tabby and allow some rescue there or simply just to do something. All of those DEI battles in 42 in our game have honed your tactics of early war surface actions! He's sending in forces like it's 44 and he's got 100 fletchers and the DS three hexes off to protect. Those old BBs are good points and you managed again to hit troops on ships. I say pour it on and send in the dogs!! This is fun to watch. [8D]

GetAssista -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 12:50:53 PM)
Very exciting! And I'm also making notes on how Japan should use its destroyers for maximum efficiency [:)]

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 3:56:21 PM)
July 24, 1942 Super heavy night search to guide the surging Japanese task forces in...including Yamato! [image]local://upfiles/44178/9628F840ADA64B09AFD01E42622B8459.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 3:57:49 PM)
Tone: sleek, fast and deadly. She starts with a nepotistic captain that gets sacked, and here she performs excellently. [image]local://upfiles/44178/83BF9C82E5E842EF85C7F705C43BC5F0.jpg[/image] The only engagement of the day...as Prince of Wales and company retreat. Day Time Surface Combat, near Ulak Island at 160,52, Range 6,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Tone, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships BB Idaho, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD O'Brien, Shell hits 7, and is sunk DD Walke DD Maury DD Dunlap DMS Fox APD Stringham APD Waters APD Crosby, Shell hits 10, and is sunk DMS Boggs, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage DMS Lamberton DMS Dorsey DMS Perry, Shell hits 1, on fire DMS Long DMS Chandler xAP Mount Vernon, Shell hits 1, on fire xAP President Coolidge xAP Maui xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk xAP Agwimonte Allied ground losses: 32 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 6,000 yards Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards CA Tone engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 6,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards CA Tone engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards CA Tone engages BB Idaho at 3,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards BB Idaho sunk by CA Tone at 4,000 yards CA Tone engages DD O'Brien at 4,000 yards CA Tone engages DD O'Brien at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards CA Tone engages DMS Boggs at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards CA Tone engages DD O'Brien at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD O'Brien sunk by CA Tone at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards CA Tone engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards CA Tone engages APD Crosby at 2,000 yards CA Tone engages xAP Mount Vernon at 2,000 yards APD Crosby sunk by CA Tone at 2,000 yards Asakura, Bunji orders Japanese TF to disengage CA Tone engages xAP Mount Vernon at 2,000 yards Range increases to 7,000 yards xAP Agwimonte , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Maui , xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat - escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke , DMS Chandler Range increases to 12,000 yards xAP Agwimonte , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Maui , xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat - escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke , DMS Chandler , DMS Long CA Tone engages DMS Perry at 12,000 yards Range increases to 16,000 yards xAP Agwimonte , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Maui , xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat - escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke , DMS Chandler , DMS Long CA Tone engages DMS Perry at 16,000 yards Task forces break off...

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 4:10:55 PM)
12 Destroyers and 1 Cruiser put a serious hurting on the Amchitka invasion force...but the IJN is now present in numbers and support ships and planes. [image]local://upfiles/44178/1C3B124D7EF74ABC81FACA39D823CAB7.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 4:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 Maybe they did a PQ-17 and scattered? In examining the combat reports, when the convoy doesn't get scattered the destroyers break off and screen the troop transports from combat, but that also pulls those destroyers from combat. In the final fight, the convoy disperses, and the destroyers rush forward to engage the Japanese attackers, and it was only on the last combat round that the Japanese ships were able to target some transports. Probably some kind of random targeting routine is at work with speed, dl, aggression, ship type as inputs. So, in the first three combats, where the task force doesn't disperse, the destroyers are allocated at screening the troop transports -- leaving those slow battleships without enough destroyer screens. The first combat the task force was caught unloading... the 2nd and 3d combat three of four destroyers are screening transports... fourth combat the task force disperses and there is a lot of destroyer v destroyer fights....

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 11:47:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert All of those DEI battles in 42 in our game have honed your tactics of early war surface actions! He's sending in forces like it's 44 and he's got 100 fletchers and the DS three hexes off to protect. Those old BBs are good points and you managed again to hit troops on ships. I say pour it on and send in the dogs!! This is fun to watch. [8D] I could never get away with these tactics with you, as you would have covering task forces.

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/12/2018 11:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista Very exciting! And I'm also making notes on how Japan should use its destroyers for maximum efficiency [:)] You have to understand that I crafted the destroyer task forces to counter a known threat with a forecast of very bad weather. It wouldn't work against different Allied fleet compositions or weather.

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/16/2018 3:41:33 PM)
July 26, 1942 Only doing about a turn every 2-3 days right now... Allies have retreated from the Aleutians...Japan's tenuous hold on the islands here is improving, and an invasion of Attu is about 20 days away. Port Moresby invasion forces gathering and loading...want to get there before the Allies rotate from the Aleutians. China going well, will envelop Chungking, take Chengtu next. Both Tank Divisions moving up from Canton now... [image]local://upfiles/44178/0C2AC0DB62F9420FB302FFC5B19CDBEB.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/16/2018 3:51:47 PM)
"Darth Tone", damn! [:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/22/2018 1:59:25 PM)
End of July 1942 The Amchitka invasion is fully destroyed with about 1/2 of an infantry division surrendering. Other fractional units surrender previously. Attu is heavily bombarded, the invasion force is on its way. [image]local://upfiles/44178/705F91C58F9B4C03B14FA6C80ECD8B47.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) (10/22/2018 7:21:58 PM)
July 31, 1942 Fortress Chungking is now forming up. Moving in strength on Chengtu, which only has 1-2 Chinese Corp's defending there. The goal now is to encircle Chungking and start to reducing the 400,000 troops there. [image]local://upfiles/44178/A128D438ECD048AEB9BF4B3950F45574.jpg[/image]

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