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Balou -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/13/2019 9:33:19 AM)

It's called the 'right hook'. Some people prefer to go around Leningrad, encircle the city and hopefully a lot of sov troops.



Fanstar1 -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/13/2019 2:38:03 PM)

Ive seen the right hok in another aar, but in that one it cut off Leningrad turn 9 or 10. Brian only cut the overland rail several turns later.



SparkleyTits -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/13/2019 3:21:26 PM)

Hindsight is always 20/20 but if I was in Brians position and same circumstance I can see myself thinking "If I refocus my entire thrust northward I could get a killing blow on Leningrad" as he did have a lot of armour and other forces in the area to achieve it and he did not have the forces or strength to do that with a direct assault on Leningrad at anytime without repositioning of his forces to facilitate it which would of cost his a couple of turns just to setup

Then HL would of just repositioned in response so it would of been costly in time, risky and easily seen abd counter by HL ahead of time and I wouldn't of been surprised if the situation was much of the same but with less ground taken north of Ryzhev and more taken outside of Leningrad



Balou -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/13/2019 4:35:39 PM)

@BrianG:
What's the story with your arm/mech TOE ? Although morale and experience look good, TOE doesn't. According to the CR from jan-22 (post#315) almost half of them have a TOE below 50%. The ToeM is set at 20 for most of these units. What's the rationale ? To channel supplies manually later on by selecting a higher ToeM for specific units ?



BrianG -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/14/2019 11:41:46 AM)

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@BrianG: What's the story with your arm/mech TOE ? Although morale and experience look good, TOE doesn't. According to the CR from jan-22 (post#315) almost half of them have a TOE below 50%. The ToeM is set at 20 for most of these units. What's the rationale ? To channel supplies manually later on by selecting a higher ToeM for specific units ?





someone mentioned keep toe low during blizzard b/c(well I forget the reason).

In feb I have been withdrawing select armor and refitting. I will work on each tank division to refit during late winter and spring thaw.

also low toe in units as they had very large mp's to supply in October and November.
Then HYLA did lots of tank brigade attacks just to fatigue my tanks more.


Plus I am no German expert!



SparkleyTits -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/14/2019 12:44:56 PM)

Each turn in the blizzard all Axis units that are not in a garrison will lose 5-20% of their elements (The higher morale the lower % lost) so putting Axis mobile arm on 20% TOE is a good way to keep those attrional AFV losses as low as possible and allows you to retain the AFV that would of been lost otherwise from mechanical debuffs by keeping them safe and warm in Berlin
Armour also gets some hefty weather debuffs the Soviets can take advantage of by causing a lot of AFV losses in the blizzard if kept in the field for battle (HL is using this degradation strategy against Brian atm)

By putting TOE's on 20% you can save 1000+ AFV in the pools ready for 42 that would of been lost through attrition and battle otherwise, usually with marginal results, ensuring you are good to go in spring of 42 instead of having to limit your offensives or having to wait for up to half a year to get your armour numbers back up to scratch



chaos45 -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/14/2019 3:48:54 PM)

I agree low ToE for axis units in the first blizzard is probably best since losses are based on %.

Also then leaves the manpower pool/armaments/vehicles and such to build up over the attritional first blizzard to be released in the spring to fill up all your units right before the summer offensive...basically I concur with ST lol.

Its Gamey but its how the game works.



Balou -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 7:57:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

By putting TOE's on 20% you can save 1000+ AFV in the pools ready for 42 that would of been lost through attrition and battle otherwise, usually with marginal results, ensuring you are good to go in spring of 42 instead of having to limit your offensives or having to wait for up to half a year to get your armour numbers back up to scratch


Very interesting and helpful comment. But shipping tons of Pz eastwards during spring would occupy - IRL - zillions of rail capacity. It's my impresion that it's nowhere taken into account. One question: how long or how many turns will it take to bring a PzDiv from TOE 20 to 100 ?



SparkleyTits -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 8:25:52 AM)

Yep that's it bud, there are no logistical limits of that kind here like in WitW

If you have your low TOE divisions near/on rail heads then it will take a total of 1 whole turn to fill them up [:D]
It also means you can supply an offensive with 10's of thousands of AFV and 100's of thousands of infantry along 1 rail line which can be incredibly difficult for the Soviets to deal with properly
It's all rather unrealistic to put it mildly



Balou -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 8:29:13 AM)

Let's hope WitE 2.0 will stop this nonsense.



SparkleyTits -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 8:30:01 AM)

It does I believe!



BrianG -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 11:58:58 AM)

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If you have your low TOE divisions near/on rail heads then it will take a total of 1 whole turn to fill them up It also means you can supply an offensive with 10's of thousands of AFV and 100's of thousands of infantry along 1 rail line which can be incredibly difficult for the Soviets to deal with properly It's all rather unrealistic to put it mildly







I am shooting for 70 or 80%. also you can only fill a few units a turn max.

plus rr capacity is a major issue when you want to redeploy tanks for spring offensive. Very hard to move all and bring to the front the new reinforcements.



Balou -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 12:21:32 PM)

OK. Let's assume an offensive with 10 pz/mot divs at TOE 20, and near or on a rail hex. How many turns before they will be at TOE 70-80 ?



SparkleyTits -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 12:32:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BrianG
also you can only fill a few units a turn max.


Really, I never noticed that when doing it myself so great to know bud, cheers



chaos45 -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/15/2019 3:41:22 PM)

filling units depending purely on replacements in the pool and how close they are to a rail line. Don't think anything else factors in other than the ToE setting to ensure they get fully replaced.

Also setting them to refit so they get first crack at the replacements available.



BrianG -> RE: 33 KIA report (1/19/2019 6:43:26 PM)

quote:

It's called the 'right hook'. Some people prefer to go around Leningrad, encircle the city and hopefully a lot of sov troops.





correct except I had to take a much further southern route.




BrianG -> early feb 42 (1/19/2019 6:45:56 PM)

On last January turn very heavy Russian attacks neat Stalino.

and a trapped Hungarian INf

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 6:46:59 PM)

middle area open

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 6:48:49 PM)

open north. Heavy attacks all along the line.

Mountain unit ejected from ne point of tip

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 6:50:33 PM)

this attack I had a very large CV reduction,

Many guard units are seen forming for russians

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:06:01 PM)

A good ole fashion Russian shellacking.



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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:10:28 PM)

In the middle I had this nice hold. This defended hex was within 5 hexes of both OKH and AGN hq

Also I noticed this turn many of the Russian attack were converted to scouting.

Also many Russian air fighters.

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:13:44 PM)

counter attack hasty near Stalino.

And a shatter.

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:16:14 PM)

Heavy pressure north of Pskov as my lines are line and split.

Also units stuck holding down northwest port.

I retake my spear point where the mountain unit had been ejected.

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:18:40 PM)

Final west Moscow. Russian units are behaving and not advancing willy-nilly into my forest hex defensive positions.

more and more guards unit are discovered.

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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:21:32 PM)

top secret report
German armor is moving into the Kharkov area for undecided operations and refit. So far mostly SS units.

Also will be returning the red panzer corp which had been North for the past few months.


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BrianG -> RE: early feb 42 (1/19/2019 7:22:54 PM)

Final Stalino and armor location update.

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BrianG -> turn 35 (1/21/2019 1:45:00 PM)

Russian open south. The bear comes out to play

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BrianG -> RE: turn 35 (1/21/2019 1:46:06 PM)

north open. My lines near Pskov are pencil thin

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BrianG -> RE: turn 35 (1/21/2019 1:46:41 PM)

middle open

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