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Saulust -> RE: The Curious Case of the 711th Gun Battalion (10/19/2018 1:46:03 AM)
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ORIGINAL: xhoel
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ORIGINAL: Kielec
I don't think the "units destroyed" tab keeps track of support units...
All the same, it's funny that the "end of battle screen" would have them mentioned.
I am pretty sure it does. I have seen Soviet Artillery Regiments (off map ones) as well as other support units show up as destroyed units.
Firstly, yes to Kielec both the end of battle screen mentions the support units as destroyed, usually by surrender frequently and possibly may be shattered as well, though I don't remember seeing that ATM; yes the destroyed units tab keeps track of removed Support Units through the result of combat or disbanding when AA in cities is over run or if assigned to a ground formation that gets bumped off when in isolated status such as a routed division already cut off in a pocket.
Secondly yes I concur with xhoel (as well as with Kielec too in post #9 above) that SUs such as Artillery Rgmt types etc can show up as destroyed units both in battles and in the destoyed units tap list. I recently saw a Soviet Division of mine that was in isolated status on the front line be destroyed while it actually 'retreated' from a battle and one out of the 3 Artillery Rgmt SUs that its nearby in range Corps HQ managed to actually send into the single battle was also destroyed and showed up in the destroyed units lists.
As I said I don't consider them 'off the map' since I know the SUs are in the HQs, like as the ones that are attached to the Divisions, however I do consider them as 'kind of 'off' fly ins with them somehow showing up in a pocketed divisional battle when its Corps or Army HQ is not actually in the pocket and is who knows where... [&:]
IME sometimes though HQs magically appear in fully surrounded single division or stacks of twos hexes and then can provide SUs in battles (which annoyingly don't get destroyed even as the HQ must be bumped out of the losing pocket battle hex) which to me seems like they have come in and out of pure thing air! [X(]
Thinking about my earlier example of a case of one out of three Artillery Rgmts also being destroyed along with the isolated division they were 'supporting' in a single battle, may be there is a chance of these Corps/Army provided SUs being destroyed in these instances, while if the SU is assigned as a direct attachment to a surrendering division they always are destroyed too. [:(]
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