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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 3:07:27 PM)
Feel free to bomb UK. I’m not sending my fighters there.

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 3:14:36 PM)
Nov/Dec 1939 Impulse: 13 (Axis) Ground Strike: None Rail Movement: Germany A MTN moves to Milan Land Movement: Germany The Germans belatedly take Rotterdam and a Corps vacates Copenhagen and heads north. Italy The Italians take Tunis Debark: Germany Reinforcements arrive in Copenhagen. Air Rebase: Germany A Ju-88 moves west of Bremen End of Turn: The turn ends on less than an 8 (a 2 is thrown)

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 3:29:16 PM)
Nov/Dec 1939 End of Turn orders (Axis): Neutrality Pact: The Germans will two defensive markers please Production Planning: Germany 2 x Oil from Romania (both saved in Berlin) 2 x Oil from USSR (both saved in Berlin) 2 x Oil from Austria and Germany (one to production the other lost to SB) 14 Build Points Italy 1 x Oil from Romania (saved in Milan) 2 Build Points Japan 2 x Oil from NEI (saved in Tokyo) 2 x Oil from USA (to production) 10 Build Points Stay At Sea: Convoys stay at sea unless otherwise indicated Germany 4 ships in the Baltic 4-box to stay at sea. Return to Base: Germany The German ships on the Baltic 0-box return to Stettin. Italy All German subs and NAV to La Spezia Oil Reorganisation: Japan Only Yamamoto 0.4 (0 oil expended) Germany All units except AMPH, He-115C, Nurnberg, Leipzig and 1 CONV for 2.4 (2 oil expended) Italy All units except 1 x SUB (3-strength), Trento, Bolzano, Gorizia and Pola for 1.4 (1 Oil expended) Breakdown: None Production: Germany 2 x PIL 1 x NAV 1 x FTR 2 x MIL Italy 1 x SUB (2nd Cycle) 1 x Saved Build Point (Milan) Japan 1 x MECH Zuikaku 1 x SUB (1st Cycle) Junyo (1st Cycle) Reinforcement: Germany At this stage scrap 2 x Ju-86 Don't replace ship Stettin: Naval Units New Trade Agreement: Germany 3 Resources to Italy - 1 oil) Memo Item: Oil situation: Germany 5 (5 x Berlin), Italy 2 (2 x Milan) and Japan 7 (4 x Tokyo, 1 x Yokohama, 1 x Kyoto and 1 x Nagoya) Re-Roll and will go first if I get the opportunity to choose

Elessar2 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 5:24:42 PM)
I'm currently browsing thru the latest ADG rules set (not MWIF's note, I've been furiously following the AAR's here as I ponder whether to get the game), and had just read the rules for strat bombing last night-as I then came across this thread. Their rules say that the defender gets to reposition its cap first, before the bombing runs are announced. It also presumes interceptions can only happen on the target (thus the bombers can bypass any interceptors to attack a target beyond the interceptors' range). My question is how you can "bypass" the rules in the way that you two mention, given that they've been presumably hard-coded. And if MWIF indeed runs strat bombing in the above way.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 6:22:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elessar2 I'm currently browsing thru the latest ADG rules set (not MWIF's note, I've been furiously following the AAR's here as I ponder whether to get the game), and had just read the rules for strat bombing last night-as I then came across this thread. Their rules say that the defender gets to reposition its cap first, before the bombing runs are announced. It also presumes interceptions can only happen on the target (thus the bombers can bypass any interceptors to attack a target beyond the interceptors' range). My question is how you can "bypass" the rules in the way that you two mention, given that they've been presumably hard-coded. And if MWIF indeed runs strat bombing in the above way. 1) CAP. In our games we can also first use CAP. For example if defender feels they attack some key hex that is too far to intercept, but can be covered flying full range. Then defender can call CAP and send their plane to that hex before attacker tells where they are going. In all out games I think we have used that once, during ground support phase in Middle East after paradrop (knowing they will support that attack). 2) Normally when optional rule "en-route interception" is in use and bombers are intercepted on their way to target, they have air to air combat, and continue their way. But as that rule is not coded yet, we force attacker to change target to some other factory in interceptor's range.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 7:20:32 PM)
No partisans. Garrison was tested in China and Burma. USSR marker to offense. US marker to Ge/It pool. US Intern French CV, no tension.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 9:00:53 PM)
Prelim production China 6 BPs CW 9 BPs France 12 BPs US 11 BPs USSR 8 BPs Stay at sea and RTB North Sea fleet to Plymouth West Med all ships stay at sea East Med all ships return to base The Queens to Australia, all other TRS to UK US TRS with 2 divisions to Pago Pago Oil use USSR 3 planes for 0,6 oil CW all but 2 cruisers for 5,45 oil France all for 1,05 oil US all for free Germany: I reorg 1 CP too, 2,45 is same as 2,4 = 2 oil points For same reason I reorg one cruiser more for Italy and Japan Production China 6 GAR INF CAV div CW 2x GAR 2x CVP-1 CP Pilot France 12 MECH INF MIL US 11 AMPH (1st) TRS (1st) TERR CV Saratoga (repair) Sub (2nd) CP USSR 8 2x GAR Pilot Ski div Axis get one Dutch ship. Warspite1 is offline, so I gove it to Italian construction pool (it's fast, but 3 range). Netherlands new home country is UK. Allies support attacked Belgium and get one US entry marker (1 rolled). Reinforcements CW Brussles MIL west of city LND3 to London INF to Hull France 2x MIL FTR2 and FTR3 to Lyons USSR GAR to Chisinau USSR removes pilots from 2 bombers in Baku. Axis win initiative and go first. [image]local://upfiles/39586/0295B17C236D42B4A165E5B6C95CFB40.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/6/2019 10:00:04 PM)
Jan/Feb 1940 Impulse: 1 (Axis) Declarations of War and Alignments: None Japan: Land Germany: Land Italy: Land Port Attack: None Naval Air: None Naval Movement: Germany A small task force puts to sea escorting a TRS that loads up with a MIL and moves to the Baltic 0-box Strategic Bombing: None Ground Strike: None Rail Movement: Germany A MIL heads for Konigsberg Land Movement: Italy The Italians make some adjustments on the Franco-Italian border. Germany The Germans move units along the Western Front and northwest of Copenhagen. Japan The Japanese push into southern China Debark: Germany The MIL from the Baltic is landed in Copenhagen Land Combat: None Air Rebase: Germany A Fighter moves to Magdeburg and a second to Cologne. Two bombers are moved onto the Western Front. Italy A fighter moves northwest of Genoa HQ Reorganisation: None [image]local://upfiles/28156/293D99E29CE041B0905471D8820B2FCD.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/7/2019 7:11:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elessar2 I'm currently browsing thru the latest ADG rules set (not MWIF's note, I've been furiously following the AAR's here as I ponder whether to get the game), and had just read the rules for strat bombing last night-as I then came across this thread. Their rules say that the defender gets to reposition its cap first, before the bombing runs are announced. It also presumes interceptions can only happen on the target (thus the bombers can bypass any interceptors to attack a target beyond the interceptors' range). My question is how you can "bypass" the rules in the way that you two mention, given that they've been presumably hard-coded. And if MWIF indeed runs strat bombing in the above way. warspite1 Hi Elessar2. To clarify a couple of things: 1. We don't use CAP - or at least I thought we didn't until I saw Mayhemizer's post above [:D]. Interestingly I've never really questioned this before. I saw the CAP option was available (I think in the Folly AAR) and asked how to turn it off, thinking it was an optional rule. After reading your post I was curious as to how it even worked - and can see its not an optional rule. However I have never used it and it strikes me as something to be used sparingly as one could use up aircraft on potential threats that never materialise. Personally I'm stuck in 5th Edition mode - where I can't recall CAP being in the rules. I suspect I will never use it but that is just personal preference. 2. Back to Strat Bombing and the House Rule. There is nothing we can do to get around the hard coding. The house rule was a way of dealing with the fact that en route interception is not available as an option. 3. On reflection that house rule - while having good reasons for being employed - is in my view - too much of a ball-ache to implement for any value to be gained. As a result, although it is probably a detriment to the Axis, I am pleased to say Mayhemizer has agreed we can discard it.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 4:36:59 PM)
J/F 40 Allied 4 No DoW China land, France and CW naval, others combined. CW naval move The Queens to Bay of Bengal box 0 loaded with Sydney MIL CP to West Coast Escorts to seas Fleet to North Sea box 3 2x TRS loaded with INF and MIL to North Sea box 3 Sub to Italian Coast 2x CA to Baltic Sea box 4 TRS from UK towards Canada France naval move CA to Baltic Sea box 4 Escorts to seas Sub to Italian Coast box 4 CP to West Med CP to BoB 4x BB to West Med box 3 joining the fleet US naval move CP to Hawaiian Islands Allies initiate combat in both possible sea areas. [image]local://upfiles/39586/7DBF0B1336974587990A35FFC62F2362.jpg[/image]

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 4:40:15 PM)
Italian Coast: Allied 9, Axis 3. No combat. No planes for Allies on Baltic Sea. Germany can send some planes. Any planes to North Sea? [image]local://upfiles/39586/0186C814952D446BAB31191B45E1C6D3.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 5:21:24 PM)
No aircraft for the Germans thank-you.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 5:34:48 PM)
Allied 4, Axis 6. Allies choose only box 0. Allies has 6 surprise points. 4 points are used to reduse own damage to A. 2 points are used to increase Axis damage to 2D 3A. Germany can place all their damage. [image]local://upfiles/39586/9D3A2EEF55294A8FB6ED1E4BDE0C69E6.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 5:44:49 PM)
Damage to Schlesien and Emden Aborted to Transport, Deutschland and CONV Double up if not aborted before CONV takes a hit. Thank-you.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 5:53:39 PM)
Is it OK to place A on damaged CL? BB was saved D roll.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 5:56:13 PM)
Result would be like this. All but CPs are aborted. Allies stay (A to roll for Allies). Will Axis stay? Will they send any planes? [image]local://upfiles/39586/B305E1ADFFF54C1BA88053807CCB95D0.jpg[/image]

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 5:57:30 PM)
CW CL is aborted.

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:14:43 PM)
Is it OK to place A on damaged CL? BB was saved D roll. Sorry - what does this mean?

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:16:14 PM)
See results from picture. BB rolled 8 for D and got aborted. CL rolled 3 for D and got damaged. I placed first A to CL.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:17:19 PM)
quote: BB was saved D roll. Bad typing [:)]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:23:43 PM)
The Axis stay.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:25:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 The Axis stay. No planes?

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:25:56 PM)
No planes

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:28:24 PM)
Allied 1, Axis 3. Thanks to snow Axis don't find. All 6 points are used to increase damage. Allies attack on convoys and sink 2 of them and abort the last one. I send CP to Stettin (and all other abort too). Allies stay, how about Axis?

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:34:01 PM)
Axis Stay

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:40:44 PM)
Allied 5, Axis 4. Combat is over.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 6:52:03 PM)
No air missions Rail move USSR GAR to Persian oil field in south. Land move Chinese adjust their line. Rebase CW LND from UK to Denmark. New French fighters in Lyons few hexes south so that they cover entire Italian front. USSR bomber to Sevastopol. New weather is even worse in north. [image]local://upfiles/39586/41034491BAF246F48A4A1927FEC03184.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 7:25:17 PM)
Jan/Feb 1940 Impulse: 7 (Axis) Declarations of War and Alignments: None Japan: Land German: Naval Italy: Naval Naval Air: None Naval Movement: Italy A sub heads for the CSV Germany A fleet heads for the Baltic 0-box and another for the 4-box Naval Search: Germany The Germans decline combat in the Baltic Italy The Italian sub tries to find the Allied convoys The throws are: Axis (0)1 Allies 8 The sub chooses the 0-box (10 surprise points) [image]local://upfiles/28156/0DB201A9E7FA4344821F98C69F18F205.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/8/2019 7:37:46 PM)
Jan/Feb 1940 Impulse: 7 (Axis) SEE POST 303 FOR COMBAT. FUDGE! Sorry I said no to Allied interception in the Baltic on the basis I'm stopping there - but of course I am not going to throw so you needed the option....[8\|] Do the French/CW cruisers want to intercept a battleship and 2 cruisers heading for the 4-box? I can't see Mayhemizer on line but I can't call which way he would want to play this so will leave for now.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/9/2019 3:15:44 AM)
CSV: sink French CP, then CW CPs starting from minor country CPs. No intercept on Baltic Sea, Getman ships can’t sail anywhere else but a port. If there are CPs on Baltic Sea, Allies will initiate combat.

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