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Lowpe -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (9/11/2019 2:22:49 PM)
I learned that Tanks backed up by lots of artillery are great at taking down heavily fortified cities/bases. Naval bombardments don't normally target the enemy tanks unless there aren't that many units present but aerial bombing does target tanks. Good luck!

Yaab -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 8:07:09 AM)
Any update?

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 12:23:08 PM)
Haven't played but a few turns in the past couple of weeks. Have been screwing around with a computer build. May get some time this weekend to advance this scenario and will provide updates as I can. Hadn't meant for this to become a mini-AAR, but I can see why some have an interest in seeing how things play out as we rarely get to see events transpiring in 1946. Thanks for the interest.

btd64 -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 12:29:07 PM)
Hans, This thread/AAR is good. I like reading it. Very good information....GP

spence -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 1:28:24 PM)
quote: The alternative to the A bomb would have to have been a naval blockade for an extended period of time, leading to a change of government in Japan that would have come to the table for talks. How long would that have taken though... Back in 1945 the mores of 2019 did not apply. The populations of the Allied nations were pretty much indifferent as to the survival of the general Japanese population. By August 1945 the combination of submarines operating in the Sea of Japan and the B-29 mining campaign had reduced said population to eating grass. Without Russia attempting to grab land in the Far East (per Downfall) there would have been little reason to not impose such a blockade that ultimately would have starved the Japanese people into submission (or death).

Macclan5 -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 3:52:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spence Back in 1945 the mores of 2019 did not apply. The populations of the Allied nations were pretty much indifferent as to the survival of the general Japanese population. By August 1945 the combination of submarines operating in the Sea of Japan and the B-29 mining campaign had reduced said population to eating grass. Without Russia attempting to grab land in the Far East (per Downfall) there would have been little reason to not impose such a blockade that ultimately would have starved the Japanese people into submission (or death). All very good points. I would add a few. Source: Victory in the Pacific : PBS : The American Experience (specific show). I strongly recommend this very balanced presentation which includes many Japanese Historians and cites evidence available. Truman was largely under pressure from Marshall to "be resolute - be a leader - make the tough choices". The quickest way to end the war was invasion. Conversely James Byrnes - his mentor was deeply worried about the losses, the impact on the President and how to achieve unconditional surrender. Allowing Japan terms in Byrnes opinion would be the end of the Truman Presidency. I would say "some advisers" favored the Blockade approach until they were aware of the Bomb. There was no concern about the use of the Bomb nor a starvation tactic as indicated above. This was simply the natural extension of the FDR administration and the requirement for unconditional surrender - it had to be achieved. The US AND Japan demonized their opponents in very racially charged ways. As to change in Government in Japan ? Apparently never likely. Once the Postdam declaration was issued "even the moderates" within the Japanese government mistook it as a sign of weakening US resolve. Magic / Ultra intercepts and Imperial war diaries indicate the Government was prepared to carry on - they had all the guns - and ket-su-go (spelling) was on. Once the double shock of Soviet mobilization and the Bomb occured - some Japanese leaders wanted the surrender terms to append: Japanese Army to disarm itself - No Occupation - Japan to try its own War Criminals - and of course the infamous "Imperial Prerogative". This is quite remarkable given they had recommended their own people eat grass as official policy. It is very clear the War Cabinet intended to carry on till the end - until such time they had sacrificed themselves as well.

Trugrit -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 8:02:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: btd64 Hans, This thread/AAR is good. I like reading it. Very good information....GP Yes, I like it too. In WITP-AE, 1946 is the far country. Hans is like an explorer going into the darkest Amazon where few players have ever set foot and taking a look around. Maybe some of the players we have not heard from in years have gone there and never returned.

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 11:17:35 PM)
On February 12th we went for another round at Osaka, reducing forts to 6 for a heavy price: Ground combat at Osaka/Kyoto (109,59) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 148794 troops, 2910 guns, 2525 vehicles, Assault Value = 3755 Defending force 129259 troops, 1423 guns, 210 vehicles, Assault Value = 2753 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 6 Allied adjusted assault: 1051 Japanese adjusted defense: 18873 Allied assault odds: 1 to 17 (fort level 6) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2086 casualties reported Squads: 12 destroyed, 123 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 53 disabled Engineers: 9 destroyed, 35 disabled Guns lost 71 (9 destroyed, 62 disabled) Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 14998 casualties reported Squads: 33 destroyed, 1574 disabled Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 212 disabled Engineers: 8 destroyed, 337 disabled Guns lost 328 (18 destroyed, 310 disabled) Vehicles lost 200 (11 destroyed, 189 disabled) Assaulting units: 785th Tank Battalion 82nd (West African) Division 87th Infantry Division 8th Infantry Division 10th Indian Division 31st Infantry Division 38th Infantry Division 2nd Australian Division 8th Australian Division I Corps Engr Grp 4th Infantry Division 767th Tank Battalion 9th Indian Division 194th Tank Battalion 6th Army Engr Grp 5th Indian Division 72nd Mortar Battalion 85th Mortar Battalion 134th (East Ang) Regiment 86th Medium Regiment 786th Field Artillery Battalion 147th Field Artillery Battalion 789th Field Artillery Battalion 6th Medium Regiment 778th Field Artillery Battalion 8th Belfast Heavy Regiment 85th Medium Regiment 87th Medium Regiment 1st Indian Medium Regiment 779th Field Artillery Battalion 2nd Indian Field Regiment 780th Field Artillery Battalion 88th Medium Regiment Defending units: 143rd JAAF AF Bn 6th Ind. Brigade 355th Division 61st Ind.Mixed Brigade 16th Ind. Brigade 123rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 190th JAAF AF Bn 153rd Division 25th Ind.Mixed Brigade 144th Division 216th Division 13th JAAF AF Bn 225th Division 163rd JAAF AF Bn 49th Division 316th Division 56th Ind.Mixed Brigade 189th JAAF AF Bn 84th Division 37th Ind.Mixed Brigade 147th Division 61st JAAF AF Bn 246th JAAF AF Bn 26th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 11th Air Division 8th Imperial AA Division 13th Base Force Kinki JNAF Base Force 2nd Machine Cannon AA Battalion Osaka Naval Base Force 45th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion Maizuru Naval Base Force 25th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 53rd Air Flotilla 11th Machine Canno AA Battalion 15th Area Army 65th Construction Battalion 5th Imperial AA Division 121st AA Regiment 22nd Ind. AA Battalion Kakogawa JAAF Base Force

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 11:20:30 PM)
On the 13th we went for another round at Kagoshima reducing forts to 3 for a heavy price. Kagoshima has been my bane in this campaign. It was the first large base with level 9 forts that was invested. Most of the HI has been overrun and it still hasn't fallen. Ground combat at Kagoshima (102,60) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 147855 troops, 1980 guns, 1468 vehicles, Assault Value = 3532 Defending force 72383 troops, 89 guns, 386 vehicles, Assault Value = 523 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Allied adjusted assault: 1666 Japanese adjusted defense: 1810 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 5727 casualties reported Squads: 36 destroyed, 69 disabled Non Combat: 166 destroyed, 325 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 14 (4 destroyed, 10 disabled) Vehicles lost 29 (5 destroyed, 24 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3989 casualties reported Squads: 297 destroyed, 256 disabled Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 70 disabled Engineers: 63 destroyed, 37 disabled Guns lost 87 (58 destroyed, 29 disabled) Vehicles lost 50 (21 destroyed, 29 disabled) Assaulting units: 37th Infantry Division II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion 1st Prov Chinese Corps 716th Tank Battalion 25th Infantry Division I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion 97th Infantry Division XI Corps Engr Grp 3rd Australian Brigade 1st Motor Brigade XXIV Corps Engr Grp 2nd New Chinese Corps 104th Infantry Division 7th New Chinese Corps 5th New Chinese Corps 3rd Motor Brigade 710th Tank Battalion X Corps Engr Grp 1st New Chinese Corps 706th Tank Battalion 5th Chinese Corps 98th Mortar Battalion 134th Field Artillery Battalion 797th Field Artillery Battalion 750th Field Artillery Battalion 198th Field Artillery Battalion 225th Field Artillery Battalion 749th Field Artillery Battalion 669th Field Artillery Battalion 30th Field Artillery Regiment 168th Field Artillery Battalion 544th Field Artillery Battalion 532nd Field Artillery Battalion 545th Field Artillery Battalion 531st Field Artillery Battalion 249th Field Artillery Battalion 226th Field Artillery Battalion 71st Mortar Battalion 543rd Field Artillery Battalion 4th Field Artillery Battalion 145th Field Artillery Battalion 655th Field Artillery Battalion 80th Mortar Battalion Defending units: 156th Division 4th Raiding Regiment 212th Division 1st Glider Inf. Regiment 3rd Raiding Regiment 146th Division 102nd Division 8th SP Gun Division 6th Ind.Tank Brigade 17th Garrison Division 57th Depot Division 2nd Air Fleet 3rd Depot Division Waifu JAAF Base Force 2nd Glider Inf. Regiment 51st Depot Division 107th JAAF AF Bn 55th Depot Division 98th Ind.Mixed Brigade Guards Depot Division 5th Depot Division 109th Ind.Mixed Brigade 126th Ind.Mixed Brigade 40th Army 103rd Division 5th Ind.Tank Brigade 26th JNAF AF Unit 6th Depot Division 107th Ind.Mixed Brigade Kyushu JNAF Base Force 37th Ind. Engineer Regiment 7th Division 206th Division 312th Division 4th Depot Division 56th Depot Division

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 11:22:51 PM)
Shimizu fell on February 14th to a shock attack by the 20th Armor Division. The paras present in the hex entered that turn and did not participate in the attack. round combat at Shimizu (112,61) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 7563 troops, 155 guns, 792 vehicles, Assault Value = 696 Defending force 4924 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14 Allied adjusted assault: 353 Japanese adjusted defense: 3 Allied assault odds: 117 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Shimizu !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-94-II: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 1554 casualties reported Squads: 53 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 210 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 25 (25 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 6 Assaulting units: 20th Armored Division 14th LRP Brigade Lushai Brigade 77th LRP Brigade Defending units: 105th JAAF AF Bn 60th Field AA Battalion 7th JNAF AF Unit 10th JNAF AF Unit 13th Air Flotilla Hamamatsu JAAF Base Force

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 11:31:21 PM)
The B29s have switched over to daylight bombing. The IJ air in Tokyo and Yokahama is 99% suppressed. If I rest for three days a few interceptors will come up to meet me, otherwise its a milk run now. The B29-1s and B29-Bs are flying out of Shanghai. The B29-25s have staged forward from Tinian and are flying out of Nagasaki now. Morning Air attack on Tokyo , at 114,60 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 24 minutes Allied aircraft B-29-1 Superfort x 36 B-29B Superfort x 91 Allied aircraft losses B-29-1 Superfort: 17 damaged B-29B Superfort: 37 damaged Manpower hits 97 Fires 105482 Afternoon Air attack on Tokyo , at 114,60 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 25 minutes Allied aircraft Thunderbolt I x 6 Thunderbolt II x 7 B-29-25 Superfort x 283 La-5FN x 2 Allied aircraft losses B-29-25 Superfort: 113 damaged Manpower hits 146 Fires 119310

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 11:37:44 PM)
Backing up a few days, on February 11th I landed 3 Marine and 3 Army divisions each at Chiba and Utsonamiya. Both hexes are adjacent to Tokyo. On the 12th both objectives fell to the initial assaults. In addition, the Soviet 2nd Red Banner Army is adjacent to Utsonamiya ready to advance into Tokyo. The First Red Banner Army has invested Sendai. The 6th Guards Tank Armay and 17th Army overran northern Honshu. The NorPac invasion of Hokkaido is loaded and underway toward the beach at Bihoro, with a Soviet Army ready to follow. Ground combat at Utsonomiya (115,60) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 84122 troops, 1207 guns, 1606 vehicles, Assault Value = 2592 Defending force 47365 troops, 419 guns, 220 vehicles, Assault Value = 1096 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Allied adjusted assault: 3185 Japanese adjusted defense: 46 Allied assault odds: 69 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied forces CAPTURE Utsonomiya !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses D5Y1 Myojo: 10 destroyed B5N2 Kate: 8 destroyed A6M2-N Rufe: 4 destroyed E7K2 Alf: 2 destroyed E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed F1M2 Pete: 3 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed A6M8 Zero: 4 destroyed A7M3-J Sam: 20 destroyed Ki-48-IIa Lily: 16 destroyed Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 23 destroyed Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki-61-Id Tony: 28 destroyed Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed Ki-51 Sonia: 3 destroyed Ki-79a Nate: 4 destroyed Ki-27b Nate: 4 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed Ki-54b Hickory: 33 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-) experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 22440 casualties reported Squads: 513 destroyed, 41 disabled Non Combat: 725 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 114 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 254 (254 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 164 (164 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 9 Allied ground losses: 1682 casualties reported Squads: 19 destroyed, 259 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 80 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 53 disabled Guns lost 32 (3 destroyed, 29 disabled) Vehicles lost 113 (6 destroyed, 107 disabled) Assaulting units: 40th Infantry Division 2nd Arm Amphib Battalion 110th Cmbt Engineer Battalion 35th Cmbt Engineer Regiment 2nd Marine Division 2nd USMC Tank Battalion 131st Cmbt Engineer Regiment 4th USMC Tank Battalion 4th Marine Division 6th USMC Tank Battalion 780th Amphib Tank Battalion 6th Marine Division 98th Infantry Division 44th Tank Battalion 91st Infantry Division 713th Flame Tank Battalion 2/592nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion 9th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion XIV US Corps 2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 672nd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion 33rd MAG 10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 534th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion 23rd MAG 2nd Pioneer Battalion 1/592nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion 4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 3/592nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion 6th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 42nd MAG Defending units: 116th Ind.Mixed Brigade 7th Ind.Tank Brigade 214th Division 115th Ind.Mixed Brigade 61st Division 351st Division 81st Division 60th Ind.Mixed Brigade 51st Army Kasumigaura JNAF Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chiba (114,61) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 99181 troops, 1532 guns, 2101 vehicles, Assault Value = 3126 Defending force 25597 troops, 320 guns, 2045 vehicles, Assault Value = 1014 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Allied adjusted assault: 5181 Japanese adjusted defense: 104 Allied assault odds: 49 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied forces CAPTURE Chiba !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses A7M3-J Sam: 82 destroyed G4M3a Betty: 92 destroyed B7A2 Grace: 4 destroyed F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed D4Y2-S Judy: 18 destroyed D4Y2-C Judy: 1 destroyed S1A1 Denko: 22 destroyed J1N1-Sa Irving: 14 destroyed D5Y1 Myojo: 23 destroyed D4Y2 Judy: 28 destroyed P1Y2 Frances: 27 destroyed G8N Rita: 14 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 5 destroyed B6N1 Jill: 5 destroyed Q1W1 Lorna: 8 destroyed N1K1 Rex: 4 destroyed G4M1-L Betty: 19 destroyed H8K2-L Emily: 9 destroyed D4Y4 Judy: 9 destroyed B6N2a Jill: 9 destroyed C6N2 Myrt: 9 destroyed Ki-27b Nate: 6 destroyed Ki-9 Spruce: 14 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 6848 casualties reported Squads: 95 destroyed, 27 disabled Non Combat: 860 destroyed, 11 disabled Engineers: 141 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 252 (242 destroyed, 10 disabled) Vehicles lost 1983 (1969 destroyed, 14 disabled) Units retreated 10 Units destroyed 1 Allied ground losses: 1449 casualties reported Squads: 17 destroyed, 101 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 41 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled Vehicles lost 130 (16 destroyed, 114 disabled) Assaulting units: 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 1st Arm Amphib Battalion 5th USMC Tank Battalion 708th Amphib Tank Battalion 8th Army Engr Grp 775th Tank Battalion 3rd Marine Division 3rd USMC Tank Battalion 776th Amphib Tank Battalion 720th Flame Tank Battalion 18th Cmbt Engineer Regiment IX Corps Engr Grp 81st Infantry Division 27th Infantry Division 5th Marine Division 43rd Infantry Division 1st Marine Division 1st USMC Tank Battalion 3rd Arm Amphib Battalion Marinier Brigade 826th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion XVIII US Corps 727th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion 3rd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 12th MAG III Amphib Corps 9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 540th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion 1st USMC AA Battalion 31st MAG 3/542nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion 2/542nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion 1st Pioneer Battalion 82nd Mortar Battalion 11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 5th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion 4th AmphTrac Engineer Battalion 21st MAG X US Corps 1/542nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion 1st Marine Air Wing 88th Mortar Battalion 41st MAG Defending units: 27th Tank Regiment 4th Tank Division 42nd Division 2nd Ind.Tank Brigade 42nd Brigade 1st Ind.Tank Brigade 3rd Ind.Tank Brigade 48th Tank Regiment 2nd SP Gun Division 14th Hvy.Artillery Regiment 52nd Army Mito JAAF Base Force

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/4/2019 11:38:52 PM)
And the final update for today before I start another turn is a map of the current status: [image]local://upfiles/21458/B0F9DA17802544B392D39DA7CFAF7AC5.jpg[/image]

Ian R -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/5/2019 4:42:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Macclan5 There was no concern about the use of the Bomb nor a starvation tactic as indicated above. This was simply the natural extension of the FDR administration and the requirement for unconditional surrender - it had to be achieved. The US AND Japan demonized their opponents in very racially charged ways. The other often overlooked point is that both the US and Japan had chemical warfare supplies in place, and some biological weapons. Official policy on both sides was to use them only in retaliation (although the IJA had used gas in China, and, according to Polmar & Allan, against the Soviets in the 1939 clashes). The US had a large stockpile on Okinawa, and a massive one on Luzon - many thousands of tons of the stuff. A specialised bomb had been developed to deliver it by air (or maybe that was the anthrax). If some renegade IJ Colonel had used gas on Kyushu, all hell would have broken loose. The 'collateral damage' would quite possibly have been in 7 figure territory.

BBfanboy -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/5/2019 12:39:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian R quote: ORIGINAL: Macclan5 There was no concern about the use of the Bomb nor a starvation tactic as indicated above. This was simply the natural extension of the FDR administration and the requirement for unconditional surrender - it had to be achieved. The US AND Japan demonized their opponents in very racially charged ways. The other often overlooked point is that both the US and Japan had chemical warfare supplies in place, and some biological weapons. Official policy on both sides was to use them only in retaliation (although the IJA had used gas in China, and, according to Polmar & Allan, against the Soviets in the 1939 clashes). The US had a large stockpile on Okinawa, and a massive one on Luzon - many thousands of tons of the stuff. A specialised bomb had been developed to deliver it by air (or maybe that was the anthrax). If some renegade IJ Colonel had used gas on Kyushu, all hell would have broken loose. The 'collateral damage' would quite possibly have been in 7 figure territory. Using biological weapons brings its own problems for your side when they take over the infected area. They are best used to suppress areas that you have no intention of going into and can prevent infected enemy from escaping out of. I don't know if you can rely on biological agents to die off after there are no more humans to infect. In recent times the combination of humans, pigs, birds and mosquitos has been a breakout disease incubator and spreader. And some of the modern nerve agents are lethal in trace doses on the skin. I hope all leaders are reluctant to open that Pandora's box!

Ian R -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/5/2019 2:53:45 PM)
I re-read the chapter after posting. The US Army Air forces 1944 retaliation plan, following any IJ first use, was to air deliver, within 15 days, 86,000 bombs delivering mustard gas or phosgene, plus they had 6500 multiple use spray tanks for low altitude delivery of mustard gas. By April 1945 there were 43,000 mustard gas release land mines stockpiled in the Pacific for defensive belt use. By 1945, the numbers had increased to 1 million chemical bombs, 100k+ reusable aerial spray tanks, along with a stockpile of 5.5m chemical artillery shells. This is all from Polmar & Allen starting around page 204 for those with the book. If some idiot Colonel Tsuji type had used chem on the Kyushi beaches, we are talking absolute, terminal, carnage.

spence -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/5/2019 5:21:22 PM)
Seems that I read somewhere about the bombers on the I-400 series I-boats were at least considered as delivery vehicles for some sort of biological or chemical weapon. They were probably the only way of delivering that sort of weapon against the target most suseptible to such weapons: civilians. Of course would probably have assured that Halsey's remark shortly after Pearl Harbor came true.

Gridley380 -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/7/2019 12:55:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter And the final update for today before I start another turn is a map of the current status: HansBolter, what do the overall army points look like at this point? As others have said, thank you for updating this mini-AAR.

jwolf -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/7/2019 1:28:29 PM)
Hans, that battle at Osaka looks like you're making good progress. Granted your casualties were still very high, but only a relatively small number of destroyed squads. So if you can rotate out the burned out units that particular combat result doesn't seem so bad. Admittedly, I don't know if you have enough time for the large number of disabled squads to recover enough to get any more use out of those units.

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/8/2019 10:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gridley380 quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter And the final update for today before I start another turn is a map of the current status: HansBolter, what do the overall army points look like at this point? As others have said, thank you for updating this mini-AAR. Been playing this game since release and its predecessor prior to that and have to confess I have no idea what 'army points' are. Is it a Japanese thing?

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/8/2019 10:07:23 PM)
On February 14th the Soviet 25th Army had a round at Maebashi, the base in the mountains to the NW of Tokyo: Ground combat at Maebashi (113,59) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 125725 troops, 2479 guns, 2162 vehicles, Assault Value = 3745 Defending force 28355 troops, 346 guns, 118 vehicles, Assault Value = 635 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 7 Allied adjusted assault: 1617 Japanese adjusted defense: 1645 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 7) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 725 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 142 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled Guns lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2639 casualties reported Squads: 155 destroyed, 104 disabled Non Combat: 113 destroyed, 21 disabled Engineers: 29 destroyed, 18 disabled Guns lost 156 (112 destroyed, 44 disabled) Vehicles lost 261 (210 destroyed, 51 disabled) Assaulting units: 76th Tank Brigade 126th Rifle Division 105th Rifle Division 259th Tank Brigade 125th Tank Brigade 218th Tank Brigade 386th Rifle Division 209th Tank Brigade 393rd Rifle Division 384th Rifle Division 172nd Brigade 46th Engr-Sapper Bde 366th Rifle Division 54th Engr-Sapper Bde 40th Rifle Division 190th Rifle Division 25th Mechanized Brigade 67th Guards Mortar Regiment 221st Corps Art Brigade 1137th Howitzer Regiment 386th Howitzer Regiment 2nd/307th Gd.Mortar Regiment 117th/428th OM Gun Battalion 1134th Howitzer Regiment 56th Hvy.Mortar Brigade 215th Howitzer Regiment 1132nd Howitzer Regiment 26th/42nd Gd.Mortar Regiment 72nd/74th Gd.Mortar Regiment 219th Corps Art Brigade 3rd Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division Defending units: 114th Ind.Mixed Brigade 221st Division 86th Division 118th Ind.Mixed Brigade 17th Ind. Brigade 53rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 13th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 113th AA Regiment 18th Hvy.Artillery Regiment 54th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.AA Gun Co

BBfanboy -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 3:28:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter quote: ORIGINAL: Gridley380 quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter And the final update for today before I start another turn is a map of the current status: HansBolter, what do the overall army points look like at this point? As others have said, thank you for updating this mini-AAR. Been playing this game since release and its predecessor prior to that and have to confess I have no idea what 'army points' are. Is it a Japanese thing? The Japanese can replace squads using manpower and supply points. I am not sure if Armament points are used to cover their equipment or if that is only for heavier equipment like mortars and artillery.

Canoerebel -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 4:38:48 AM)
I'm about to get schooled, showing my ignorance like this, but.... ...Manpower, to my knowledge, contributes nothing to either side except to get set on fire and spreading, damaging industry. I don't believe it has anything to do with squads, units or armies. Is it time for me to get schooled?

jdsrae -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 6:06:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I'm about to get schooled, showing my ignorance like this, but.... ...Manpower, to my knowledge, contributes nothing to either side except to get set on fire and spreading, damaging industry. I don't believe it has anything to do with squads, units or armies. Is it time for me to get schooled? I'll be gentle [;)] Japan's personnel squads and artillery devices need manpower and armaments points to be spent on them to appear, plus supply of course. Everything costs supply... Japan's vehicle devices need manpower and vehicle points, plus supply, to be spent on them to appear on map. Japan's LCUs need lots of these spent on them just to appear, then more to fill them out to 100% TOE. Japan's Manpower points are also "spent" by creating rookie pilots and on any industry expansion, along with supply of course! A few more details from my notes, which I summarised from the manual. Combat squad upgrades: 1 MP point per load cost of infantry and/or engineers returns to the MP pool on upgrade Vehicles: 1 vehicle point + 1 MP point per load cost of the unit. eg: 1 x Type 95 Light Tank needs 10 x vehicle + 10 x MP points Personnel squads: MP points equal to load cost of the squad + 1 armament point only Weapons: 1 armament point + 1 MP point per load cost of the unit. Emergency mobilisation: If insufficient points to fill TOE completely, unit arrives at 25% TOE at no cost to production system Unit Load cost = troop load plus cargo load troop load = personnel squads cargo load = vehicles plus armaments: need to split between the two, plus personnel squads Drawdown from MP, Vehicle and Armament pools depends on the TOE for each unit, and there are lots of different TOEs� BTW, I think Gridley is asking what the victory point comparison is between Japan and Allied Armies from the victory points summary screen.

Ian R -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 6:41:40 AM)
Suggest you set your Soviet tankers to Shock for round two. If they are near full strength that is about 500 T34s. If their 30 or so each personnel squads just took a beating, turn off replacements. quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter On February 14th the Soviet 25th Army had a round at Maebashi, the base in the mountains to the NW of Tokyo: Ground combat at Maebashi (113,59) Allied Deliberate attack ..... Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 7 76th Tank Brigade ... 259th Tank Brigade 125th Tank Brigade 218th Tank Brigade ... 209th Tank Brigade ...

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 12:12:52 PM)
Have been moving all tank units to siege hexes, but frankly forgot to set them to shock at Maebashi. Will endeavor to remember for all future siege battles. The Soviet 2nd Red Banner Army is one day away from entering Utsonomiya and Joining with the two US Corps in that hex. Once consolidated, they and the two US Corps in Chiba will advance into Tokyo. So I'm about three days away from finally getting Tokyo invested and testing the waters on the almost 800 LCUs there.

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 12:20:58 PM)
The Victory Point spread is brutal. No competitive game would ever reflect a ratio like this. The Ironman side gets tons of units to lose and I made sure to kill every last one of them. [image]local://upfiles/21458/712AA159C2D84BF6BE5B55F5267F407E.jpg[/image]

Gridley380 -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 1:20:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter The Victory Point spread is brutal. No competitive game would ever reflect a ratio like this. The Ironman side gets tons of units to lose and I made sure to kill every last one of them. Thanks HansBolter, midway down the "scoring" list is the army points I was referring to above. Impressive that despite all your losses here you've still inflicted almost 4:1 on the Japanese!

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/9/2019 5:10:44 PM)
Soviet 1st Red Banner Army takes its first round at Sendai, leading with tank brigades shock attacking and rifle divisions deliberate attacking. Tank losses are moderate, with high disablements. Engineer losses are very light with disablements high. Overall a better result for the first round on a level 9 fortress than many previous efforts. Ground combat at Sendai (117,58) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 111042 troops, 2055 guns, 1571 vehicles, Assault Value = 3689 Defending force 77758 troops, 683 guns, 234 vehicles, Assault Value = 2133 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 8 Allied adjusted assault: 2506 Japanese adjusted defense: 3349 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 8) Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 4513 casualties reported Squads: 75 destroyed, 188 disabled Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 126 disabled Engineers: 20 destroyed, 57 disabled Guns lost 66 (27 destroyed, 39 disabled) Vehicles lost 70 (15 destroyed, 55 disabled) Units destroyed 1 Allied ground losses: 7417 casualties reported Squads: 104 destroyed, 508 disabled Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 135 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 135 disabled Guns lost 174 (43 destroyed, 131 disabled) Vehicles lost 320 (25 destroyed, 295 disabled) Assaulting units: 59th Rifle Division 75th Tank Brigade 208th Tank Brigade 257th Tank Brigade 22nd Rifle Division 98th Rifle Division 39th Rifle Division 231st Rifle Division 300th Rifle Division 365th Rifle Division 210th Tank Brigade 187th Rifle Division 45th Engr-Sapper Bde 77th Tank Brigade 927th SU Regiment 53rd Mortar Brigade 165th Hvy Howitzer Regiment 33rd Guards Mortar Regiment 87th Howitzer Regiment 273rd Cannon Regiment 1125th Cannon Regiment 182nd Howitzer Regiment 1124th Cannon Regiment 57th Hvy.Mortar Brigade 1139th Cannon Regiment 199th BM Howitzer Regiment 45th Howitzer Regiment 1133rd Howitzer Regiment 50th Cannon Regiment 1138th Cannon Regiment 1132nd Howitzer Regiment 1192nd BM Howitzer Regiment 372nd Hvy Howitzer Regiment 54th Guards Mortar Regiment Defending units: 113th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Mixed Brigade 322nd Division 25th Ind. Engineer Regiment 72nd Division 142nd Division 67th Infantry Group 202nd Division 44th Tank Regiment 54th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Depot Division 34th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 117th AA Regiment 11th Area Army 48th Ind. AA Battalion 64th Construction Battalion 12th RF Gun Battalion 101st JAAF AF Bn 3rd Shin'yo Sqn 34th Ind. AA Battalion 12th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 21st RF Gun Battalion Haranomachi JAAF Base Force

HansBolter -> RE: Cost of Heavy Urban Level 9 Fort Reduction (10/13/2019 11:55:02 AM)
On February 20th we had another typically costly round at Kagoshima with some light finally appearing at the end of the tunnel. With forts at level 1 I may manage to finally take this base with another two rounds. Ground combat at Kagoshima (102,60) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 145577 troops, 1827 guns, 1536 vehicles, Assault Value = 3202 Defending force 70779 troops, 85 guns, 374 vehicles, Assault Value = 501 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Allied adjusted assault: 2442 Japanese adjusted defense: 2026 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 6178 casualties reported Squads: 52 destroyed, 103 disabled Non Combat: 71 destroyed, 348 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 44 (33 destroyed, 11 disabled) Vehicles lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled) Allied ground losses: 8341 casualties reported Squads: 254 destroyed, 198 disabled Non Combat: 74 destroyed, 70 disabled Engineers: 119 destroyed, 68 disabled Guns lost 65 (24 destroyed, 41 disabled) Vehicles lost 94 (48 destroyed, 46 disabled) Assaulting units: I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion 25th Infantry Division 5th New Chinese Corps 7th New Chinese Corps 706th Tank Battalion 3rd Motor Brigade 104th Infantry Division 710th Tank Battalion XI Corps Engr Grp 97th Infantry Division 716th Tank Battalion 1st Prov Chinese Corps 3rd Australian Brigade 37th Infantry Division XXIV Corps Engr Grp II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion 1st Motor Brigade 1st New Chinese Corps 2nd New Chinese Corps X Corps Engr Grp 5th Chinese Corps 532nd Field Artillery Battalion 655th Field Artillery Battalion 543rd Field Artillery Battalion 226th Field Artillery Battalion 531st Field Artillery Battalion 168th Field Artillery Battalion 30th Field Artillery Regiment 749th Field Artillery Battalion 750th Field Artillery Battalion 669th Field Artillery Battalion 544th Field Artillery Battalion 249th Field Artillery Battalion 145th Field Artillery Battalion 198th Field Artillery Battalion 225th Field Artillery Battalion 545th Field Artillery Battalion 134th Field Artillery Battalion 4th Field Artillery Battalion 797th Field Artillery Battalion Defending units: 146th Division 212th Division 55th Depot Division 3rd Raiding Regiment 102nd Division 17th Garrison Division 1st Glider Inf. Regiment 8th SP Gun Division 6th Ind.Tank Brigade 57th Depot Division Kyushu JNAF Base Force 206th Division 6th Depot Division 156th Division 98th Ind.Mixed Brigade 5th Ind.Tank Brigade 37th Ind. Engineer Regiment 312th Division 26th JNAF AF Unit 4th Depot Division 103rd Division 2nd Glider Inf. Regiment 4th Raiding Regiment 2nd Air Fleet 7th Division Guards Depot Division 109th Ind.Mixed Brigade 126th Ind.Mixed Brigade 107th JAAF AF Bn 107th Ind.Mixed Brigade 5th Depot Division Waifu JAAF Base Force 40th Army 51st Depot Division 3rd Depot Division 56th Depot Division

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