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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.

Haha...yes a BMI robot. According to the CDC if you have a BMI of 26 you are overweight. Is it possible for a guy to have 6 pack abs and a BMI over 26. It's even worse in the schools. Untrained people telling little Mayan kids they are "obese" when what they really are is short and that is just the way it is.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.

Haha...yes a BMI robot. According to the CDC if you have a BMI of 26 you are overweight. Is it possible for a guy to have 6 pack abs and a BMI over 26. It's even worse in the schools. Untrained people telling little Mayan kids they are "obese" when what they really are is short and that is just the way it is.

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Tanzanian president blames lab after goat, papaya ‘test positive’ for coronavirus
May 6, 2020


https://globalnews.ca/news/6910821/coronavirus-papaya-goat-tanzania/



"Tanzania seems to be having a problem with its animals, its coronavirus testing or its leadership amid a bizarre scandal playing out in the African nation.

President John Magufuli has cast doubt on the country’s coronavirus testing process after he allegedly submitted secret samples from invalid subjects, including a goat and a papaya (yes, the fruit), that came back as “positive” for the virus."


"Magufuli, who has repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus, claimed on Sunday that he put human names and ages on several samples taken from non-human subjects. He says the lab came back with positive test results for a papaya, a quail and a goat — three things that have never been linked to the virus in the past."

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Re: John's note that the first death was recorded 2/26, the date this thread started, he's right. Then, about three weeks ago, research/testing found two previous deaths. And that's likely to change as more work is done later.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Los Angeles has been passing bond measures to raise property and sales taxes and lavishing spending on the homeless. They have burned through quite a large reserve. California is ALREADY borrowing money from DC to pay unemployment costs after budgeting enough reserves for 18 months of standard recession job losses. It's all gone already. A Kapuchin monkey could have found a job in Calif in February. Maybe they can get all the homeless to move to Arizona?

All of this borrowing and reserve spending means leaner times ahead. The hospitals are getting knee-capped by the decline in total admissions. Nurses in non-ICU positions getting laid off...even obstetrics..which seems crazy because babies don't look at the calendar or watch the news.

From the UK, for profit healthcare seems an unusual concept and not often seen.

What you've outlined just seems that it's jumped the shark...

This applies to not-for-profit hospitals as well, of which there are many. They still have to meet budgets. I think you will discover than NHS is spending prodigiously right now....plus all the elective cases are being postponed and the seniors not taken by COVID will be wanting their bad knees replaced.

Don't elective cases already get postponed for two or three years under socialized medicine?

I believe we have it enshrined in legislation that you need to be seen, diagnosed and treated within an 18 week period.

90% of patients are seen, diagnosed and treated within the 18 week treatment standard.

So, to respond to your question - no.

Is that for all elective surgeries or only the ones surgeons deem necessary?

We were referring to elective procedures.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

A month ago, Lokasenna pointed out that the epidemics for many countries were dropping gradually "with a comet tail." That's what's happened in many places, including Spain and Italy.

Since then, "the table" has been used prominently to discuss the US. If the decline of the pandemic in the NYC vicinity is matched by increases elsewhere, we'll have that table. That's something to watch, too.

Lokasenna hasn't posted here since April 17 (three weeks ago today). Here's hoping he's fine.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.[:D]

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.[:D]

One state's attempt to postpone an election was shot down by the judiciary. The same will likely happen in PA.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The epicenter for the pandemic in the US is largely the northeast. This chart shows all states with above average mortality. All but one (Louisiana) is in the northeast (or rough vicinity). The spike sort of spread out from NYC to take in other big metro areas in the region.

The big question is whether the spread will continue outward to other big metro areas (and states), thus eventually reaching places not currently hit hard. If so, this truly will be a "table" graph throughout the summer.

It's not clear yet whether that's going to happen. For one thing, the virus has been present in many major urban areas for a long time but hasn't gotten an NYC-type grip. Perhaps it won't. Maybe density or packed subways or other factors make key differences.

It's still unclear whether warm weather is going to lend a helping hand. There have been contradictory positions taken on that throughout, even recently. On page one, Chickenboy offered his thoughts that weather could well have a salutary effect. I don't know if he has further thoughts on that, since more than two months have passed.



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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.[:D]

One state's attempt to postpone an election was shot down by the judiciary. The same will likely happen in PA.

No, that is not what is happening here. The primary was delayed, and they pushed thru vote by mail which is unbelievable fraudulent method to vote -- Post Office is still looking for 24 million vote by mail ballots from the 2016 election for example.

Having an honest election in Pennsylvania was a challenge prior to this change. It is only going to get worse.

Being a former Hudson county (NJ for the non-locals) resident - there were a few phrases. Vote often (multiple times). And who are your dead relatives we can vote for? I think only Chicago can compare.

Tech works, but vote by mail is IMO going to end up in an interesting place.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ICU Doctor: What I Wish People Knew About Coronavirus


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08/icu-doctor-what-i-wish-people-knew-about-coronavirus/

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ICU Doctor: What I Wish People Knew About Coronavirus


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08/icu-doctor-what-i-wish-people-knew-about-coronavirus/

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Here is another article on Ferguson's code.

Neil Ferguson’s Lockdown Model Ridiculed After its Code is Open Sourced

https://www.trustnodes.com/2020/05/08/neil-fergusons-lockdown-model-ridiculed-after-its-code-is-open-sourced