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Lab-grown meat has a lot of benefits all over the economy, if/when we get there, particularly for allocation of resources on farms.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

IHME's updated US mortality projection is 137k by August 4, if that's what you're looking for (I may not be comprehending the point you're making).

Georgia may be the bellwether for all this. We began gradually easing countermeasures 18 days ago. So far, so good. From my seat it seems like the easing wasn't premature. I gather from Chickenboy's post a few hours back that he feels the same about Texas. My daughter and son-in-law feel the same about Tennessee. But there is no doubt there are jurisdictions where easing wouldn't be prudent right now.

Yes, that's the number I was looking at.

The state-by-state transmission number over on rt.live appears to be good data, although the confidence interval for recent dates for Texas and Georgia includes values higher than 1.0 (it looks like the data is refined over time as well and is about 7-days delayed).

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Lab-grown meat has a lot of benefits all over the economy, if/when we get there, particularly for allocation of resources on farms.

I don't believe for a second that could be economically done. IT'S A TRAP! It's not magic. You have to have a substrate. Where are the amino acids going to come from? You would have to have a high quality protein source. It's not practical to synthesize 20 amino acids de novo and just throw them in a big pot. Suppose you get pure amino acids in the right ratios and now you want myocytes to reproduce infinitely without dying. You know what that is? Meat cancer, that's what.

The minute you close the last ranch the factory suddenly burns down. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Not sure if this report is accurate or not but an unreleased White House report, while less optimistic than the official position, shows Georgia as "stable". There are some concerns for Texas and Wisconsin seems to have problems. It seems this thing is getting out of the big cities and spreading around middle America (whatever the hell that is ) a bit. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unreleased-white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-heartland-communities-n1204751

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Lab-grown meat has a lot of benefits all over the economy, if/when we get there, particularly for allocation of resources on farms.

I don't believe for a second that could be economically done. IT'S A TRAP! It's not magic. You have to have a substrate. Where are the amino acids going to come from? You would have to have a high quality protein source. It's not practical to synthesize 20 amino acids de novo and just throw them in a big pot. Suppose you get pure amino acids in the right ratios and now you want myocytes to reproduce infinitely without dying. You know what that is? Meat cancer, that's what.

The minute you close the last ranch the factory suddenly burns down. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Anxiety From Reactions to Covid-19 Will Destroy At Least Seven Times More Years of Life Than Can Be Saved by Lockdowns

https://www.justfacts.com/news_covid-19_anxiety_lockdowns_life_destroyed_saved

Huh?

Compared to what, the baseline without the existence of COVID? That's a dumb comparison. It's not like COVID wouldn't exist if there weren't lockdowns (quite the opposite in fact).

This "article" sets off my BS alarms.

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Not sure if this report is accurate or not but an unreleased White House report, while less optimistic than the official position, shows Georgia as "stable". There are some concerns for Texas and Wisconsin seems to have problems. It seems this thing is getting out of the big cities and spreading around middle America (whatever the hell that is ) a bit. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unreleased-white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-heartland-communities-n1204751

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Spoke to a co-worker by phone today. He got Covid 5 weeks ago. He works on the same floor as I do and we travel in the same spaces including data centers, hallways, bathrooms, doors, pantry's ect but since we were working alternate days I didn't come into personal contact. 2 other people on the floor got sick but had relatively mild symptoms. Marcos was in the hospital for 4 days, 103 fever, oxygen, no vent, discharged with an oxygen tank, ran a fever for 3 weeks, lost 18 pounds and can now barely walk. He is expected to make a full recovery, in time. Right now he is afraid to ride public transportation and is too weak to drive. He is just working up to walking around the block for now. Haven't been any cases among the reaming essential personnel in my agency in a month and we have had most of the sick ones come back so today was a good day. Things are looking up

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Lab-grown meat has a lot of benefits all over the economy, if/when we get there, particularly for allocation of resources on farms.

I don't believe for a second that could be economically done. IT'S A TRAP! It's not magic. You have to have a substrate. Where are the amino acids going to come from? You would have to have a high quality protein source. It's not practical to synthesize 20 amino acids de novo and just throw them in a big pot. Suppose you get pure amino acids in the right ratios and now you want myocytes to reproduce infinitely without dying. You know what that is? Meat cancer, that's what.

The minute you close the last ranch the factory suddenly burns down. [:D]

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What do you do with all of the animals if it all became meat from a factory? How about the over population of deer? There is a lot of agricultural land that is not suitable for crops, instead it is used for animals.

And there is a lot of land that is suitable for crops but is instead used for animals or the crops to feed them. Here are stats just for Iowa (offered without independent vetting of their claims and obviously not every acre used for pigs could be converted to crops, but a large portion of them could be - Iowa just isn't that geographically diverse):

https://www.iowapork.org/news-from-the-iowa-pork-producers-association/iowa-pork-facts/
6200 pig farms
22 million pigs at any one time (that's a lot of grain being used to feed pigs)
25% of all corn/soybean acreage in Iowa is used just to feed these pigs

https://www.lhf.org/learning-fields/crops/iowa-farm-facts/
Per 2012 numbers, produces the most eggs and pork of any state (and corn/soybeans)
1.3M acres of pastureland (not all of this is used for food-animal production obviously)
30.6M acres of farmland, of which 26.25M acres are crops (so perhaps as much as 6.5M acres are used to feed pigs alone)

Lab-grown meat has a lot of benefits all over the economy, if/when we get there, particularly for allocation of resources on farms.

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

The consumer price index took a big drop. Food and rent are up. Everything else is down. On paper it sounds like a good thing but what it means is people are not spending money. Maybe some of that is travel, hotels and entertainment or, more troubling, people either don't feel secure spending money or they don't have it to spend. Here is the big worry. Consumer spending makes up 70% of the U.S. economy. 70%. A big drop in the CPI is not good news for the economy. As with all things these day, I hope it is a temporary blip. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/u-s-core-consumer-price-index-posts-record-0-4-monthly-decline

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I once lost 50 pounds in 5 weeks and was water bloated at the end of that time. Tell your co-worker to take it easy on the physical therapy part. Don't overdo it as it can make some things worse. A person loses 80 percent of their fine motor control when the are bedridden for one week. That is why it is so hard to walk and the risk of falls is higher. The fall is not the problem, it is the sudden stop at the end of it. It is better to do a lot of short exercise periods rather than an intense workout.

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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I once lost 50 pounds in 5 weeks and was water bloated at the end of that time. Tell your co-worker to take it easy on the physical therapy part. Don't overdo it as it can make some things worse. A person loses 80 percent of their fine motor control when the are bedridden for one week. That is why it is so hard to walk and the risk of falls is higher. The fall is not the problem, it is the sudden stop at the end of it. It is better to do a lot of short exercise periods rather than an intense workout.

Thanks, he wasn't a big guy before this. He will work from home for a long time. Better I can pick his brain. It will be a long recovery. We got a bunch over in the 911 call center that we will eventually have a memorial service for so count your blessings I suppose

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Pennsylvania just gets stranger and stranger.

Adding fuel to the fire was the was admission that Health Secretary Levine removed her mother from a personal care home while not allowing the same priviledge to every other Pennsylvanian, as reported by State Representative Seth Grove of York County. Remember folks, this is the same Secretary Levine who sentenced hundreds of elderly Pennsylvanians to death by forcing the admission of Covid19 patients to nursing homes. On Monday morning, Pennsylvania State Senator Doug Mastriano called for the removal of Secretary of Health Dr. Levine, who he says has committed medical malpractice in mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Lab-grown meat has a lot of benefits all over the economy, if/when we get there, particularly for allocation of resources on farms.

I don't believe for a second that could be economically done. IT'S A TRAP! It's not magic. You have to have a substrate. Where are the amino acids going to come from? You would have to have a high quality protein source. It's not practical to synthesize 20 amino acids de novo and just throw them in a big pot. Suppose you get pure amino acids in the right ratios and now you want myocytes to reproduce infinitely without dying. You know what that is? Meat cancer, that's what.

The minute you close the last ranch the factory suddenly burns down. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Links to separate sites provided in recent days by Lowpe and John Dillworth both have Georgia Ro rate at less than 1 (one was at 0.92, the other at 0.84, as of this a.m.). Every statistical category that I've seen has been trending down for weeks. Significantly, on the 10th the IHME projection for mortality dropped from 4,900 to 3,500.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

IHME's updated US mortality projection is 137k by August 4, if that's what you're looking for (I may not be comprehending the point you're making).

Georgia may be the bellwether for all this. We began gradually easing countermeasures 18 days ago. So far, so good. From my seat it seems like the easing wasn't premature. I gather from Chickenboy's post a few hours back that he feels the same about Texas. My daughter and son-in-law feel the same about Tennessee. But there is no doubt there are jurisdictions where easing wouldn't be prudent right now.

Yes, that's the number I was looking at.

The state-by-state transmission number over on rt.live appears to be good data, although the confidence interval for recent dates for Texas and Georgia includes values higher than 1.0 (it looks like the data is refined over time as well and is about 7-days delayed).

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is weird. IHME apparently just issued yet another revision for mortality in Georgia. On Saturday the projection was 4,900. Last night, it was 3,500. This afternoon it's 2,000.

And no longer are we projected to have a seemingly interminable "table" on the chart. We're projected to drop each day, so that we're on the downside of the bell curve.

US projections revised again, too (up to 147k).

IHME is revising so often and so sharply that there may be serious doubts about its utility.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Is this discussion about synthetic meat, actually created/grown/cultured in a lab? That's not going to fly nearly anywhere in the US.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Anxiety From Reactions to Covid-19 Will Destroy At Least Seven Times More Years of Life Than Can Be Saved by Lockdowns

https://www.justfacts.com/news_covid-19_anxiety_lockdowns_life_destroyed_saved

Huh?

Compared to what, the baseline without the existence of COVID? That's a dumb comparison. It's not like COVID wouldn't exist if there weren't lockdowns (quite the opposite in fact).

This "article" sets off my BS alarms.

That is my thought too. I especially was concerned about the very difficult measurement to prove.

Although, I am also skeptical about the efficacy of lock-downs.

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

The problem with the masks and gloves (I work in spaces where other people touch stuff, I think gloves are as important as masks) is that is easy to get complacent. I’m super careful at work and don’t need the ppe at home so if I go out for a walk or errand I catch myself being a little sloppy. It is strange using cash. Went out for a rare does of fast food and handed the person at the drive in cash. I didn’t think anything of it until he handed me my change in cash. Money is a dirty thing. I always use cash but I suppose that is a habit that many of us will have to change. Not a big thing wearing a mask now but it gets hot and humid in the summer. Not going to be happy about this going forward