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Because of this graph that is in the WHO 19 March bulletin. Western pacific includes China. We are pretty much done down here. Europe includes Italy, Spain & Germany, and you can see the pattern playing out there - and it is reasonable to expect less mortality in 1st world countries with good health systems. The Americas, in particular the US, is unfortunately just taking off, and I am not touching the debate about the US health system's ability to respond affordably.

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

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Oh guys...

I came back from Liberia a couple of weeks ago. Decided intentionally not to stop by my friends and parents in Italy and I went directly to Prague, where my partner lives.

Now I'm stuck there with no apparent possibility to go back to Africa anytime soon. Remote working and everything closed.


In the meanwhile, since coronavirus is too mainstream, I had to go to the hospital where they do treat people for coronavirus here in Czech Republic because I was having a moderate dengue. Of course, since I'm also very lucky (...[8|]), the only tropical disease department in the country is the one treating coronavirus. They are doing very well, but I wasn't that happy to be stuck there for quite a while.

The only positive aspect so far is that me and my opponent we doubled the amount of turns per day [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Good to hear from you. Out of the frying pan into the fire, huh?

Dengue is no fun. Bone-break fever they call it. Hope yours is abating.

Keep us abreast of how things go there.

Thank you for the message Erik. Yes, now I'm relatively fine. Still, no fun over here: I have a very f@cked up immune system currently and I am quite concerned by the possibility of getting coronavirus because, albeit young, I am not in the best conditions to fight a virus.



Imagine that I would like to go back in the fire [:D][:D][:D] but I cannot for various reasons... So, I have to stay in the pan [:@]

Good to hear the Dengue is gone at least.

Earlier in this thread rangerjoe posted a good list of anti-viral foods/herbal medicines. Things help reduce virus replication and other things at a molecular chemical level. Obviously they won't stop the disease but can help the immune system keep to a less severe case.

Things like garlic, turmeric, vitamin C, Zinc, Green Tea. None of it is toxic so can't hurt!

http://the-health-gazette.com/496/natural-antivirals/

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Cytokine release syndrome (CRS) is a form of systemic inflammatory response syndrome that can be triggered by a variety of factors such as infections and certain drugs. It occurs when large numbers of white blood cells are activated and release inflammatory cytokines, which in turn activate yet more white blood cells. CRS is also an adverse effect of some monoclonal antibody drugs, as well as adoptive T-cell therapies. Severe cases have been called cytokine storms. When occurring as a result of drug administration, it is also known as an infusion reaction.

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Cytokine Storm and Herbs: Life or Death Information!

10/21/2015

UPDATED ARTICLE AS OF MARCH 2020!
Many people hear the word "Cytokine Storm" and think it is a weather prediction.

However, this storm is one that can kill you. It is a "body weather prediction".

A cytokine storm can kill you. It occurs when a very severe viral infection (such as Swine Flu H1N1 or Bird Flu H5N1 - many people are now very worried about it based on the Coronavirus) takes control of your immune system and causes immune confusion in your body. Basically your body starts to work on overdrive and becomes really confused. This reaction called "Cytokine Storm" over activates your body to where normal feedback loops designed to calm things down fail to operate. (See the Medical Dictionary definition here.)

Your immune system becomes a runaway freight train where high fever, massive inflammation, extreme fatigue, vomiting and diarrhea dominate every minute of your existence. Did you know that MOST of the 25 million people that died in the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic died from a cytokine storm? Wow... that's good information to know. You don’t want to be caught in a cytokine storm.
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You see, when someone in your house gets "the sniffles" there are so many wonderful ways of treating the illness through a natural route. Elderberry Syrup, First Defense, essential oils, diffusing, baths, glycerites, tinctures... In essence there are a lot of resources to use in order to combat the illness before it gets worse.

However, if someone in your care (including yourself of course) gets ill and it keeps getting worse, and worse, and worse and worse... you could be FEEDING the problem by what herbs you are using.

There are some herbs that COMBAT the Cytokine Storm and aid your body in fighting it, and there are other herbs that actually make it worse.

Here is a list of herbs that help to COMBAT Cytokine Storm (and if you keep getting more and more sick, these are the herbs to INCREASE), basically the good guys:
-Turmeric
-Elder LEAF
-Yarrow
-Cayenne
-Garlic
-Ginger
-Horseradish
-Red Raspberry
-Chinese Skullcap
-St. Johns Wort (check any interactions this might have with depression meds)
-Tea Tree Oil
-Vitamin C (lots of it! - and take it with a green spinach smoothie so your body has the iron to absorb it properly)
-Vitamin D

And remember, herbs are NOT like pharmaceutical drugs - they are NOT long term release - they are short term release. Meaning that when you are treating yourself with herbs you need to use them regularly. In the case of illness, supporting your cellular health each hour with herbs is perfectly fine!

So... How do I recognize a Cytokine Storm?

Once again, if you or anyone in your care is just starting to get sick, the risk of cytokine storm isn't substantiated yet.

However, if these signs show up and the illness keeps escalating, then be aware that a Cytokine Storm could be upon you (Please see THIS ARTICLE for further information on cytokine storm):
-High Fever for extended period of time (102*+ for 2 full days without breaking) - See this article about the basics of fevers, gives excellent information and medical guidelines.
-Swelling and redness on the body
-EXTREME fatigue
-Nausea and diarrhea consistent for 2 full days
-Rapid resting heart rate (over 100 beats per minute)

Remember, please seek medical attention in the case of an emergency. Don't avoid medical help when a Cytokine Storm could be upon you or anyone in your care - because it can be fatal!

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Coronavirus Blood Type: Does Being Type A or Type O Elevate Risk?
Mar 17, 2020
https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-blood-type-type-a-type-o/

"As reported by the South China Morning Post, after studying 2,000 patients infected with the virus, people with blood type A looked to be prone to serious infection by COVID-19."


"Blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease compared with non-O blood groups."

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So this supposes that there is a lot of the virus spreading everywhere, with no one knowing where or how. But, I wonder, where are the piles of dead people on the street, being caused by all this?

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Really. when all the media and the hysteria are to be taken seriously, this ''''pandemic''' is of the scale of the bubonic plague.

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However, I have failed to spot 1 cart full of dead, and I was outside today for 7 hours, cycling. And yesterday, and the day before that. (I am 47, and feel great, A LOT BETTER than anyone staying inside for whatever reason)
I greet a lot of people that also apparently risk their lives at great personal cost, going outside and enjoy a walk or a bicycle ride. I have contact with them, even touch them (WOW). Shake hands. I should be dead by now I guess. But I am not, nor are they.

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Just my uninformed 2 cents

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Because of this graph that is in the WHO 19 March bulletin. Western pacific includes China. We are pretty much done down here. Europe includes Italy, Spain & Germany, and you can see the pattern playing out there - and it is reasonable to expect less mortality in 1st world countries with good health systems. The Americas, in particular the US, is unfortunately just taking off, and I am not touching the debate about the US health system's ability to respond affordably.

In your own words, you are "pretty much done" in the Western Pacific. Despite that, we're seeing an *increase* in new deaths every single day. If western pacific is "pretty much done" (which I won't even dispute), then the increasing death count is not going to include any of that region... just the new regions. More people died yesterday than all of the deaths up to February 10th.

The rate of new deaths has gone up by about 100 per day for the last week. It just hit 1000 yesterday and is getting faster....

Assuming the rate of new deaths suddenly flatlines (there's no statistical reason to believe this will happen looking at the current trend line), we still pass 38,000 deaths in just 28 days.

If the rate of new deaths continues on its current trend and doesn't accelerate (or decelerate) at all, we will reach 38,000 deaths in 16 days.


The silver lining is that the rate of new deaths this past week, while increasing, at least seems to be increasing in a linear fashion which means it might be flattening on a logarithmic scale (which is good!). But it's still increasing and I've no reason to expect that to change very quickly over the next few days.

Daily deaths spiked in Italy (hopefully that is an aberration) after seeming to flatten. Daily deaths are still rising in Spain, UK, and France. Germany seems to have been very lucky so while there is an increase, the numbers are still very low.

In Americas the US is still early but currently growing in death rate at an accelerating rate as well.


And I don't feel it's accurate to take all the time prior to January 20th as a meaningful predictor over a 6 month window given it's a whole bunch of 0s on the chart you showed.

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I also looked at a comparison of population figures to cases in more equatorial countries, and it looks like C19 is not having an impact in at least 6 of the 10 most populous countries in the world. Which are all ... near the equator. If that is a true indicator, than C19 has nowhere else to go.

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One thing I am curious about is how the government response to COVID will change the accepted norms around state involvement in everyday life.

This feels very different in nature from the GFC...

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What is missing in this type of comparison you’re making is the extension of this into new areas.

Please see the graph posted above. The virus doesn't seem to like the weather in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, or Brazil. Or Africa. So unless something changes there, that is 6 of the 10 most populous countries in the world (including Nigeria) that don't seem to be having a very significant problem at this time. You can also add Mexico and Ethiopia to that list, who are in the top 12 or 15 countries by population.

Unless there has been some gross under-reporting of cases in those countries, that's a significant proportion of the world's population that are wondering what all the fuss is about.

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What is missing in this type of comparison you’re making is the extension of this into new areas.

Please see the graph posted above. The virus doesn't seem to like the weather in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, or Brazil. Or Africa. So unless something changes there, that is 6 of the 10 most populous countries in the world (including Nigeria) that don't seem to be having a very significant problem at this time. You can also add Mexico and Ethiopia to that list, who are in the top 12 or 15 countries by population.

Unless there has been some gross under-reporting of cases in those countries, that's a significant proportion of the world's population that are wondering what all the fuss is about.

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Will the US government ban all interstate travel?

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One thing I am curious about is how the government response to COVID will change the accepted norms around state involvement in everyday life.

This feels very different in nature from the GFC...

So far the Governor of Florida has not decided to shut down the entire state the way the Governor of California just did.

Florida, is not yet overrun with tens of thousands of cases, and except for the empty shelves in grocery stores is mostly functioning normally.

I took Wednesday off to take a neighborhood stray to the vet to be neutered and my employer told me to go ahead and stay home for the rest of this week. He is concerned for me as I am in the over 60 category that the feds advise to shelter in homes.

Monday, I have to decide if I am going to continue to self isolate in my home, as recommended by the CDC, and hope that the promised federal stimulus will be enough for me to be able to survive on with out income from work, go back to work and hope for the best, or make the decision to go ahead and retire early to insure a flow of income while continuing to self isolate.

I don't want to retire early, because of the smaller benefit I will have to live on, but I may be forced into it.

If the curve does actually peak within two weeks, it will not reach anything like the 'shut down of the entire economy' proportions, which may then allow a fairly quick recovery to economic normalcy.

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Will the US government ban all interstate travel?

Not without accepting the complete shutting down of the distribution of basic goods.

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The greater Savannah area has a population or around 550,000. Yesterday we had our first corona virus diagnosis in Effingham County and the patient is hospitalized. They are trying to trace and track contacts.

However, the Coastal Health District here has been issued 90 test kits. Just how well they will help diagnosis a population of 550,000 is the question. Obviously, there is not much testing going on except for the big clusters or if you are an NBA player.

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Status Report - Bishop CA

The Governor put us all in lockdown state-wide until further notice. Things are kinda crazy. We can go out and exercise on walks and bicycles - just keep the distance and practice good hygiene.

When I went to Vons last night with my wife, there were large sections of isles that were empty. Along with the empty toilet paper section - someone bought up all the good crystal cat litter! Apparently no one wants a stinky cat box.

There are a lot of people mind-tripping right now - unsure how they will pay bills and make ends meet. I told my kids to stock up on beans and rice. My wife is not too thrilled with that idea as beans give me gas...

In California I predict a population explosion to start taking place about 9 months from now, spiraling upwards in relation to the length of this emergency lockdown.

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Here you can see a column of military trucks carrying a TINY fraction of the dead from COVID-19 to the crematorium.


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Status Report - Bishop CA

The Governor put us all in lockdown state-wide until further notice. Things are kinda crazy. We can go out and exercise on walks and bicycles - just keep the distance and practice good hygiene.

When I went to Vons last night with my wife, there were large sections of isles that were empty. Along with the empty toilet paper section - someone bought up all the good crystal cat litter! Apparently no one wants a stinky cat box.

There are a lot of people mind-tripping right now - unsure how they will pay bills and make ends meet. I told my kids to stock up on beans and rice. My wife is not too thrilled with that idea as beans give me gas...

In California I predict a population explosion to start taking place about 9 months from now, spiraling upwards in relation to the length of this emergency lockdown.

Don't forget the sauerkraut at the same meal for the vitamin C.

BTW, you know the honeymoon is over when you fart in bed . . . [X(]