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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/7/2020 6:09:20 PM)

@fter Axis turn 17 (August 17, 1941)

Amazingly, we have managed to salvage this game to carry on.

At the current pace, we estimate three to four years to completion, we are getting better! (LoL)

The below summary is overlaid onto a map from the web site

www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/

which is in German but it is pretty interesting, esp. the maps
that are scattered throughout. Unf. my German is nicht so gut!

The full map I took it from is linked by

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Korps/Karte/III0841.jpg


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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/16/2020 12:27:06 AM)

at beginning of Axis turn 18
August 24, 1941

here is top of AGN, have bridge the river
(even repaired the bridge!) and so,
trying to squeeze through these troops
between the Kuplya and Kummolova air bases;

inset says, event = Klamatis withdrawn
(so civilians where HE was breathe easier ... he was a Butcher, ya know)
Also, I did choose Beowulf option
(to get the added sea transport points)

the underlay is historical map of advance (pink area)
the green squiggle there is my in-game advance as of same time frame
a little behind mostly of the historical,
but a litte ahead from bridging the river near Kuplya
Leningrad is ~ 200km as the tank rolls from there.

An attempted sea transport of motorcycles/recon unit
were sunk by coastal artillery; they now recon Davy Jones Locker
in icy depth of Gulf of Finland :( historic map source from

https://medium.com/@Inflab/eastern-front-maps-of-world-war-ii-17f4a26545e9


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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/21/2020 11:35:22 PM)

here is rest of thoughts on end of Axis 18,
so now we wait to see what Soviets do.



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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/23/2020 1:45:03 PM)

Axis turn 20 (August 27, 1941)

In FitE2 you've got about five or so "sub games" going at once every turn.

The RR repair game.
The rear security / anti-partisan game
The air units / air war game
The three different fronts overall game (AGN / AGC / AGS games)
The more detailed "get to points X and Y for bonuses" game

and here in this move, I'm focusing on the "points for bonuses" sub-game:
MUST TAKE LUGA AND KIEV by turn 23 I think it was to continue Barbarossa shock bonuses.
Only three more turns for me to get that, so I focus on air units for support of Luga and Kiev.
besides that, I will be sure to keep RR repairs going (and moving war trains up to front)
rear security to guard rail roads,
anything else can wait (other than obvious moves like railing up reinforce)

Here's Luga attack ready to go. SS Polizei leading the way.
Took me about two hours plan Luga and do RR repair / rear security for AGN.
AGN air units / air war was limited to Luga and Narva areas. So, AGN is ready to cycle the attack on Luga.
The combat planner says "very poor" chances, but I think I'll get it with time to spare to dig in and hold.

Kiev is going to be much more difficult to get in, But with luck will make it in three turns.

That pleasant looking fellow I photoshopped into the Combat Planner was commander of SS Polizei
(and other Waffen-SS during the war). Walter Kruger. Took his own life in May 1945, by all accounts.

Well, now, to plan for The Battle of Kiev and cycle the first round of combat!


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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/24/2020 4:11:56 PM)

Update from end of German move 20. Luga falls, Polizei and 8th Panzer enter city and Engineers have dug in, will certainly hold (I hope)
Below is Kiev from end of force check (I got four rounds of combat with not great results.)
Wiking et al. move to encircle and prevent more reinforcements from East.
But, it is going to be very lucky for Germans to punch through to city in time allowed to keep shock bonuses going past turn 23.

Also, my worthy opponent just noted this a.m. re: certain NKVD RR Div. that have in their inventory an Armored Train....
that can able to move at will through / into / etc. non-rail hexes. So, we agreed to house rule, any Soviet unit that has
as part of its inventory an Armored Train, must stay on a rail hex (unless of course retreats by combat, then must remain there, abandoned, unless the train is destroyed)

here is an interesting film that includes a Soviet Armored Train in action: yeah, we don't think it fair to be able to move that monster into woods etc. Rail only.
(armored train footage starts at about 0:45 seconds into the film)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppDmrvQPQeo

and here is Kiev pocket, after German failed force check:


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StuccoFresco -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/25/2020 1:53:48 PM)

An armored train moving off-rails would be awesome though. Strong Dieselpunk vibes.



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (9/28/2020 5:37:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: StuccoFresco

An armored train moving off-rails would be awesome though. Strong Dieselpunk vibes.

LoL yes, it would. Here is example of NKVD unit that had its armored train destroyed ....
so this unit remnant can now move through non-rail hexes.



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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (10/8/2020 10:24:20 PM)

At the end of Axis turn 23,

Kiev remains, and so, Axis shock will be reduced turn 24 fwd


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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (10/13/2020 5:43:14 PM)

Axis turn 25 (Sept. 14, 1941)

Kiev remains. German shock level = 110% (air shock level = 120%).
Operation Arctic Fox secures Kandalaksha and prepares to move on Murmansk.
AGN is ~175 km from western edge of Leningrad, Luga crossed at Luga.
Heavy Soviet resist in Demyansk Pocket, Keppler of TotenKopf wants more reinforce there.

AGC is ~175 km from southwestern edge of Moscow; Vyazma sieged, also approaching Bryansk / Tula.

AGS: not so good. Hungarians are held up by a pocket of Reds around Kamenetz Podolski.
But, Rumanians beginnning to surround Odessa, the "Pearl of the Black Sea".
Heavy Soviet Partisan / Remnants giving trouble. This "Polotsk Pocket" area needs to be cleaned up;
so the Spanish 250th division that has finished its training in the Reich has now been sent to assist Polotsk area.



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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (10/17/2020 9:08:23 PM)

September 17, 1941:

Kiev remains. Vyazma is taken.

In a strange forest, two saddle-sore motorcycle reconners try to rest,
but they are awakened by what sounds like bears rustling nearby ....

the nights are getting chilly.



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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 5:21:09 AM)

This is screen shot from Soviet side at the Moscow Front of Soviets. This is about where Chet is on is go. He says he has not done a bunch of movement has a fuller report of where has Sov move at ATM and is still on R1 still preparing for R1 combats. This is about what you would see at Moscow front for Soviets right now, if you wanted to take over for Soviets for a taste. Leningrad doing well but pressed on Luga and Demyansk Pocket is holding (wants reinforcement added though); Kiev fell just a turn or two ago; Rumanian are pressing near Odessa. Germans shooting some bullets about hundred KM west of Murm.



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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 5:27:12 AM)

Oh, Hansi und Karl, our intrepid German reconners, say Hi! and wrote letter saying they are seeing more bears in woods where they are and tell Nana please send them extra warm blanket for Christmas because Karl's got muddy and he lost it so now is getting cold and need more blanket please :)



StuccoFresco -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 6:02:12 AM)

Woah, the front has advanced quite a lot.



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 6:14:29 AM)

Yes, we think it is pretty similar to historical with some differences, Rumanians are a little slower but are getting to Odessa for the siege there. Polotsk Pocket is different where two or three Sov divisions have held quite well. Italians are advancing well to River toward D and Z towns. Hungarians .... they too fat, they have had trouble with a pocket in AGS. There are a couple places along front that are troublesome for Germans but AGC is doing pretty good, close to historical It is fun game.




Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 11:02:15 AM)

Leningrad ATM


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StuccoFresco -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 2:34:51 PM)

What are those blue-on-brown units?



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 3:45:33 PM)

Those are cold weatherized Soviet Comrades,

50th / 23rd / 19th / Armies Corps
10th Mech Corps

Powerful group, many home grown Leningrad boys! AND GIRLS with expert snow sniper hunting skills.
Many veterans of Finnish War that was before time (I forgot the dates of that one)



Zovs -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 4:28:35 PM)

Do you still need a Moscow MD/Front Commander to move a few things or at least look at the bewildering array of mass chaos and pull his hair out and scream and maybe push a few counters around?

...



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 7:09:40 PM)

Sure! Shall I send you the file? I think I have the email or send me one to send to? Will send right away!



Zovs -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 9:29:35 PM)

You got my email Damon...



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/3/2020 9:36:43 PM)

Wonderful! Game status / progress is starting to take off and battle of Moscow will be interesting!
Odessa coming under siege soon, and Leningrad will soon be facing the full force of AGN.

the information manual is being revised.



Zovs -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/6/2020 8:15:39 PM)

Well Damon drafted me in to do some Russian moves. I ended up doing pretty much the whole entire front line and setup about 80 attacks, bombardments or airfield attacks. I got the file I think on the 5th and did a few moves and then some how I got sucked into just moving everything, and attacking and ...well you know the drill... lol

First time playing FITE2, and sort of just had to jump into the deep water.

We will see how much I can carry...



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/6/2020 9:48:13 PM)

I think this system for team play is going to work! Now we can give those WitP:AE guys a run for the money in team gaming! Glorious! Germans are on deck now soviet turn ended so now sending 1000 sandbox to Sov Field Command...will take a sec. Thank you, Comrade!



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 (Hellen [Axis] v. Cheltham [Soviets]) Club Effort (11/7/2020 2:57:13 PM)

At Demyansk, Keppler initiates plan "Kampfgruppe Kartoffel" and sends urgent message to AGN HQ, "please send reinforce"


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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 version 1.8 (FFA Community Effort) (11/7/2020 4:46:03 PM)

Meanwhile, in AGS, the Podolsk Pocket.

The men you see there in the white uniforms
are the command of the Slovak Rudolf Pilfousek.


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StuccoFresco -> RE: FitE2 version 1.8 (FFA Community Effort) (11/9/2020 10:37:29 AM)

Slovakian wiki says he lived until 1980.



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 version 1.8 (FFA Community Effort) (11/9/2020 12:16:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: StuccoFresco

Slovakian wiki says he lived until 1980.


Hello Friend! In an article "Eastern Front Constraints on Slovak Artillery 1941 -1943" and in that is described a Major Vogl (slovak arty commander) who was replaced b/c of alcoholism it says. I think perhaps the other source who originated the other story confused Pilfousek with Vogl. At least I think that is what happened there.

German playback usage = 9490



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 version 1.8 (FFA Community Effort) (11/12/2020 6:22:08 PM)

1 октябр1 1941
Kiev has fallen. Germans meet Glorious resistance
on east side of river. We managed to blow the
two Kiev bridges over the super river, but expect evil Nazi men
to repair them quickly.

A NKVD armored train plunged off of its tracks
near Borispol. Its crew has abandoned the crippled
locomotive and has sought shelter in nearby woods.

They will join the 3rd Armored Train 20KM north...
if they can avoid the approaching Nazi search parties.

Glorious Soviet Armored Train film link is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppDmrvQPQeo
train shown at about 0:45 point



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Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 version 1.8 (FFA Community Effort) (11/18/2020 4:46:05 PM)

A brief respite for the Soviets as International Arbiters step in and attempt to broker an agreement to save the art treasures of Moscow. Hitler refuses. "LENINGRAD AND MOSCOW WILL BE BURNED TO THE GROUND! ACH ACH ACH!!"



Hellen_slith -> RE: FitE2 version 1.8 (FFA Community Effort) (11/18/2020 5:10:58 PM)

Next week: Part 1 of 3, "Flight of the Night Witches"!


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