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Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 2:32:02 PM)

my advice:

dump him and get a new opponent

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Anachro -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 2:38:33 PM)

Now, now folks. Calm down. Scout has been on these forums for quite awhile, as in I have seen his name pop up before for years. No need to so aggressively cast him as a bad guy or unreliable; wait to see how he does over the next few weeks. I'm sure he is feeling nervous and like he bit off more than he can chew (maybe only realized Lowpe would be a monster after he accepted the game). I'm also thinking he wants to give Lowpe a good game and wants the first week of turns to go as well as possible, which could account for his indecision and delay.

See how the first few turns go before deciding anything, even if they take while to get or complete. Remember if it works out this game will last years, well in the case of 2-day turns, at least a year.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 2:48:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anachro


See how the first few turns go before deciding anything, even if they take while to get or complete. Remember if it works out this game will last years, well in the case of 2-day turns, at least a year.


Well, I replied to his email with my concerns (that I am super concerned) also letting him know I had advertised for a new game on the board.

We shall see what he says, been an hour or two and no reply. I always give 24 hours for emails to get thru though.

Realistically speaking you need a daily commitment of between a half hour to an hour to play this game. We obligated to 5 turns a week minimum, and two of those five might very well fall on the weekend one assumes or maybe Friday is date night or something.

This is just so discouraging.



Alfred -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 2:50:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Well, I just got another promise for the turn on Friday....


I thought that today is Tuesday . . . [&:]


Hard to understand to be honest. He promised me a turn Saturday. Then changed it to Sunday. Sunday afternoon I get an email saying he is bad with deadlines and spent 3-4 hours on the turn already and asking me to bear with him as he is working thru Japan. I fully expected to get the turn Sunday near midnight...

2 emails of mine later he respond just recently (Tuesday) that he has finished Japan and will get me the turn by Friday or earlier no matter what as he wants to do his primary invasions and test things.







This just encapsulates perfectly what I have said on a few occasions now.

Now he claims he has finished Japan but he won't send the turn for another 3 days. Just how long does it take to process a turn even if using hampsters running on the treadmill to provide the power to light up the vacuum tubes and Thing to move the counters? Certainly not 3 days. Using the most antiquated computer which can run this game the first turn resolution will take less than hour.

No, you are being strung along. If he really meant what he said, between informing you, and you now informing the forum, the first turn could have been run for his "testing" and actually delivered to your inbox by now.

What he is really telling you is that he has to run another test (of which he has already obviously run several) and if he doesn't like that result, he will tweak his orders and run another test until he gets perfection. This MO will apply to turn 2, then turn 3, then turn 4 ad infinitum for the fact is that with 2 day turns there is greater uncertainty as to outcomes than when it is 1 day turns. You won't be getting your minimum 5 turns per week as reuested in the Opponents Wanted sub-forum.

There is an old Spanish saying which I very much like. Translated it says: "he who makes himself of sugar, gets eaten by flies."

Just dump him. Let the flies feast on another sugar cube.

Alfred



Anachro -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 2:52:11 PM)

Maybe it might be good to be upfront with him as to whether he is feeling pressure and might be more interested in playing a more low-key opponent, that way you both can free yourself from this pressure now and look for other opponents more suited to both your needs. I feel like this is equitable while allowing each to keep his head somewhat high. At the moment, I feel like some of us here are in danger of shaming him off the forum.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 2:55:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anachro

Maybe it might be good to be upfront with him as to whether he is feeling pressure and might be more interested in playing a more low-key opponent, that way you both can free yourself from this pressure now and look for other opponents more suited to both your needs. I feel like this is equitable while allowing each to keep his head somewhat high. At the moment, I feel like some of us here are in danger of shaming him off the forum.


I have, but have heard no response to that line of thought.

More in the line of irl problems rearing up, than in playing against me. I am not that good. I get crushed, and crushed again routinely.[:)]

My thoughts are a lot like what you have expressed Anachro, but we are making zero progress. Hard to have a game with zero progress.

I have literally started pbem games as Japan with 5 minutes of orders entered on the preturn. Granted that is extreme...but the preturn isn't that important in the overall scheme of things.




Nomad -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 3:20:59 PM)

So, if we continue to post in the thread we can be part of the longest AAR thread with no turns.



Yaab -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 3:25:13 PM)

Pre-AAR confirmed.



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 3:38:22 PM)

Maybe he needs a coach like with Greyjoy. But then you would be playing against the coach via a proxy.



Bif1961 -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 10:39:43 PM)

I'll join in and play a part of the longest AAR without an actual combat turn.



Nomad -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 11:03:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

{snip}

Where is Dan with a picture of a tree when you need him?


I haven't seen Dan in a bit, but here is what the forests in my area look like:


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BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 11:05:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nomad


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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Where is Dan with a picture of a tree when you need him?


I haven't seen Dan in a bit, but here is what the forests in my area look like:

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Looks like Aspen.



Nomad -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 11:24:42 PM)

Lodgepole Pine.



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 11:30:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Nomad


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

{snip}

Where is Dan with a picture of a tree when you need him?


I haven't seen Dan in a bit, but here is what the forests in my area look like:

[image]local://upfiles/4176/D43419F1634843C79AEB8E8D7CB22362.jpg[/image]

Looks like Aspen.


Looks like you live in treeless prairie.



Q-Ball -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/4/2020 11:55:35 PM)

If there is no game on this thread, I say we just keep it going.



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 12:16:57 AM)

By the way, Dan has not logged on in over 4 weeks that I know of.



Cheesesteak -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 1:02:25 AM)

I recently mixed up the words 'jacuzzi' and 'yakuza'. Now I'm in hot water with the Japanese.



CaptBeefheart -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 1:19:17 AM)

My one short venture into PBEM territory was playing an early version of Focus Pacific against Lowpe. Let's just say I don't put much stock in the self-deprecation coming from Lowpe. He knows this game.

Cheers,
CB



BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 1:35:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

My one short venture into PBEM territory was playing an early version of Focus Pacific against Lowpe. Let's just say I don't put much stock in the self-deprecation coming from Lowpe. He knows this game.

Cheers,
CB

That was clear from the things he was examining to get ready as Allies, and the unconventional strategies he is considering.



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 1:49:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

My one short venture into PBEM territory was playing an early version of Focus Pacific against Lowpe. Let's just say I don't put much stock in the self-deprecation coming from Lowpe. He knows this game.

Cheers,
CB

That was clear from the things he was examining to get ready as Allies, and the unconventional strategies he is considering.


Then why did he send Stalin rotten sushi? Or did he just want a different game? [&:]



Nomad -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:32:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

My one short venture into PBEM territory was playing an early version of Focus Pacific against Lowpe. Let's just say I don't put much stock in the self-deprecation coming from Lowpe. He knows this game.

Cheers,
CB

That was clear from the things he was examining to get ready as Allies, and the unconventional strategies he is considering.


Then why did he send Stalin rotten sushi? Or did he just want a different game? [&:]


He saved the good sushi( if there is such a thing ) for himself.



offenseman -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:37:00 AM)

Alfred's post about Lowpe being of Grand Master level is accurate. Having seen some of your play in AARs I find myself wondering why you would even want to play a game against someone who isn't in that league?
It would surely not be interesting for very long and I can imagine the frustration level for the outmatched opponent would soon cause then to quit. Seems like a waste of time for you.



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:37:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nomad


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

My one short venture into PBEM territory was playing an early version of Focus Pacific against Lowpe. Let's just say I don't put much stock in the self-deprecation coming from Lowpe. He knows this game.

Cheers,
CB

That was clear from the things he was examining to get ready as Allies, and the unconventional strategies he is considering.


Then why did he send Stalin rotten sushi? Or did he just want a different game? [&:]


He saved the good sushi( if there is such a thing ) for himself.


There is good sushi - fish bait!



Alfred -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:58:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

...Then why did he send Stalin rotten sushi? Or did he just want a different game? [&:]


Milo wanted to increase his market share so he made an introductory free offer using product rejected by the Tokyo market.

Alfred



Anachro -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 3:19:49 AM)

There's people who've mastered the strategy/thoughtful side of the game in how they approach the campaign, where the strike and when to achieve victory or (for Japan) stave off defeat. There are others who might not be as adept on that side, but make up for it with their logistical brilliance and attention to detail in this game of a thousand click (or perhaps millions). Lowpe is one of the few that have both of those capabilities, from what I can tell.

Unfortunately for me, I have neither of them, but I think I suffer more acutely from lack of attention to detail and logistics.

Given that Scout has been on these forums for awhile and seems interested in doing well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now in regards to his future pace of play. It remains to be seen if he will be able to survive to '44 or '45 against a Lowpe playing the Allies.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 1:55:50 PM)

No electricity here except for my generators...working thru phone hotspot. What a pita.

Anyhow, you guys are a hoot, I doubt I can walk thru a hallway now that my head has grown so big.[:D]



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:13:11 PM)

Some of you guys probably don't want to hear this, but I have given Japan till Friday to complete the preturn. He swears he will be able to do it by Friday or sooner.

He is no Japan rookie, having played Japan deep into the game, he has a long history on the forum, and was also interested in a slower game. So he meets all my criteria, it is just unfortunate that he had some irl issues crop up after starting the game. If we would have gotten in some turns prior to his emergency then there would be none of this drama.

Now, I have not read any of his recent threads on the forum, and from your posts its seems like he has forgot alot. Time will tell, hopefully, and it is funny how gameplay seems to rise to the challenge.

I am not interested in a torrid game pace and I want to try my hand at the Allies. Those two requirements make finding a game somewhat difficult. I have had three responses to my game inquiry, all three my potential opponents would prefer to play the Allies.

I want to relax and read the TOE. Look at the history of units and leaders. Explore the depth of the game.




Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:21:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

By the way, Dan has not logged on in over 4 weeks that I know of.



Dan took a breather from the forum, well, he kind of got cancelled on that cancerous covid thread where thinking for yourself is highly discouraged. Enough said...I don't want that stuff coming into an AAR.



Alamander -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:25:17 PM)

He followed the discussion on the thread about the Japanese magic move TFs closely. It raised a number of possibilities of which he was unaware and some tactical considerations as well. He appears to me to be interested in a game, and I doubt that it is a passing interest given his serious questions and his history on the forum.

I think that you will be fine and have a good, albeit slow-paced game.

One of the problems with AARs is the criticism that the opponents of the protagonists often receive. It is a hard game and requires a substantial commitment of time. Finding opponents is not easy, especially experienced Japanese opponents. It would be helpful, I think, if folk were a little gentler in their comments about opponents. Your opponent in this game is a partner in a long-term commitment and often becomes a friend. He is not the enemy. It is just a game, and everyone makes mistakes or has real-life issues interfere from time to time in their ability to complete turns in a timely fashion.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/5/2020 2:25:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

My one short venture into PBEM territory was playing an early version of Focus Pacific against Lowpe. Let's just say I don't put much stock in the self-deprecation coming from Lowpe. He knows this game.

Cheers,
CB


C-C, that was a fun game, but the mod (at that point) was so broken -- it was early in its development. Too bad never got to see the French tank regiments in action.[;)]



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