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RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 2:55:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro I wonder if the term "nipponese" would be considered racist to use nowadays. It's simply taking the actual Japanese word for Japan (Nippon, Nihon can also be used) and adding "ese" onto the end of it. In a way, that's more culturally contextual than the Portuguese bastardization of Nippon to Jippon to Japan in the 17th century. https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-is-something-racist +1

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 1:20:36 PM)
I wanted to get this up for future reference. China starting supply, Dec 7 pre-turn. I will be really moving it to the mountains, and quite frankly, starving some bases. I really want to encourage yellow asterisks, and in some cases red. Only two of my future supply depots are even on the list. The real challenge with China is when the fuel runs out...keeping Lanchow road to Chungking, as long as possible is fairly important. Urumchi is tough to draw from for Japan, we shall see if the Chinese can do it better. BTW, I am using Kulls v1.4 regions which have been updated for all the new bases. Thank you guys for doing the lifting here. [image]local://upfiles/44178/102017BAF69E4395A8620A562B6F2AD8.jpg[/image]

Evoken -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 1:55:36 PM)
I looked around the forums a bit but couldnt find the regions import file , would you mind sharing yours or giving the link to download it Lowpe ? Thanks!

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 2:03:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evoken I looked around the forums a bit but couldnt find the regions import file , would you mind sharing yours or giving the link to download it Lowpe ? Thanks! Alessandro did the work[&o], Kull gave approval. [&o] I haven't checked everything for accuracy...just assuming it is. They are all dot bases...I download the text file, renamed it, and copied it into the appropriate tracker folder. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4692890# post 20 or 21.

Evoken -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 2:36:11 PM)
[&o]This is a huge upgrade to Tracker quality of life , thanks to all involved!

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:18:16 PM)
Tokyo Free Press, Dec 8th, 1941 Imperial Naval, Air and Land forces, acting purely in a defensive manner while on multiple peacekeeping missions throughout the Pacific, were attacked by Allied units without any warning. Minor damage to some Imperial forces were encountered while inflicting substantial damage to the aggessors. A general mobilization has been ordered by the Emperor to rid the region of the Western colonists and secure the resources to their rightful owners.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:20:19 PM)
Opening shots of the war...are by the Allies.[;)] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!! Japanese Ships SSX Ha-18, hits 5, heavy damage Allied Ships AVD Hulbert AVD Hulbert cannot reach attack position over SSX Ha-18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Soc Trang at 56,74 Japanese Ships xAK Fushimi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS KXII xAK Fushimi Maru is sighted by SS KXII SS KXII launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Fushimi Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Soc Trang at 56,74 Japanese Ships xAK Fushimi Maru, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS KXII xAK Fushimi Maru is sighted by SS KXII SS KXII launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Fushimi Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Soc Trang at 56,74 Japanese Ships xAK Fushimi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS KXII SS KXII launches 2 torpedoes

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:26:57 PM)
The raid of Pearl Harbor.... Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 102 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 33 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 47 B5N2 Kate x 45 D3A1 Val x 67 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 14 damaged B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak D3A1 Val: 24 damaged D3A1 Val: 7 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 17 damaged B-17D Fortress: 29 damaged B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground PBY-5 Catalina: 114 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 5 destroyed on ground B-18A Bolo: 27 damaged B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground P-40B Warhawk: 32 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 4 destroyed on ground SBD-1 Dauntless: 20 damaged SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground P-36A Mohawk: 13 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 2 destroyed on ground R3D-2: 3 damaged R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground A-20A Havoc: 18 damaged A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground C-33: 3 damaged O-47A: 9 damaged O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground F4F-3 Wildcat: 4 damaged F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground Allied Ships BB Pennsylvania, Torpedo hits 1 BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1 BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1 BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1 BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 1 BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 1 Allied ground losses: 15 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 28 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 53 Port hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb 9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb [image]local://upfiles/44178/D7614678C2AE44A4A01D975270E3A016.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:29:53 PM)
A rare afternoon attack at Pearl Harbor... Afternoon Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 98 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 41 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 43 B5N2 Kate x 27 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground B-18A Bolo: 13 damaged B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed on ground B-17D Fortress: 9 damaged SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 damaged SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground PBY-5 Catalina: 19 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground O-47A: 1 damaged B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 5 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground Airbase hits 7 Runway hits 13

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:33:27 PM)
the problem with a divided KB = puny PH strike... you end sinking 0 ships and just a few obsolete planes you will have them all repair by February or March

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:34:01 PM)
Pearl still has plenty of fight in her. [image]local://upfiles/44178/37FFA03CA055469DB7B076C8EC538802.jpg[/image]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:40:33 PM)
Tennessee, Maryland and West Virginia intact Oklahoma and California will be ready by January Nevada, Pennsylvania, Arizona by March at the latest but what to do with so many old battleships??

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:43:15 PM)
Houston lives...for now. [image]local://upfiles/44178/0C1F316CAA78422081892BEB937A2323.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:44:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury Tennessee, Maryland and West Virginia intact Oklahoma and California will be ready by January Nevada, Pennsylvania, Arizona by March at the latest but what to do with so many old battleships?? The slow battleships have only a few uses early: misdirection, fleet in being, and bait.

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:44:51 PM)
Send the three BBs out to attack, maybe wipe out the KB! Talk about a wimpy strike and using Kates on the airfield? Zeros bomb quite well at 11,000 feet. [:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:47:26 PM)
Here is something that I would not do...break one paratroop unit down into three air assaults: Ground combat at Laoag (81,72) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 265 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 9 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Laoag !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Itbayat Island (84,69) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 67 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 3 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Itbayat Island !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Aparri (82,73) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 96 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 2 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /3

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:49:27 PM)
Agree, a mandatory HR in all of my games

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:51:43 PM)
Manila raid one: Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 24 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 27 G4M1 Betty x 54 Allied aircraft P-26A x 1 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Allied Ships AV Langley, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires SS Searaven, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage DD Peary, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS S-41, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 11 Port hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 27 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 5000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:53:00 PM)
Manila raid 2 Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 13 B5N2 Kate x 27 D3A1 Val x 25 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 1 damaged Allied Ships AM Lark, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1 SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1 DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires SS Saury, Bomb hits 1 AS Otus, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires SS Seal, Bomb hits 1 SS S-40, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage SS Permit, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, on fire AO Pecos, Bomb hits 1 SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Port hits 2 Port supply hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb [image]local://upfiles/44178/D60EDFFF9F02443FBA022FDA220CEB13.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 7:59:54 PM)
Savaged by a point blank torpedo wave.... I had switched Task Force Z to cruise...this most likely would have landed the TF at Kota Bharu during the daytime, and the fight would have been a little different...but the POW and Repulse would still likely have been sunk eventually. And I thought, what Admiralty would restrict a battle squadron's speed so...I switched back to mission. Glad they went out fighting. Shocked to see they actually made it to the landings. Night Time Surface Combat, near Kota Bharu at 51,75, Range 9,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Walrus II: 3 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Shell hits 1 BB Haruna, Shell hits 1 CA Takao, Shell hits 1 CA Atago CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1 DD Asashio DD Oshio, Shell hits 1 DD Michishio, Shell hits 1 DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki, Shell hits 1, on fire Allied Ships BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 37, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk BC Repulse, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk DD Vampire, Shell hits 2 DD Tenedos DD Electra, Shell hits 1 DD Express, Shell hits 18, and is sunk Improved night sighting under 85% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 85% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 9,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 9,000 yards BB Haruna engages BB Prince of Wales at 9,000 yards BB Kongo engages BC Repulse at 9,000 yards BB Haruna engages DD Express at 9,000 yards BB Haruna engages DD Electra at 9,000 yards BC Repulse engages CL Jintsu at 9,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Express at 9,000 yards DD Express engages DD Michishio at 9,000 yards DD Electra engages DD Asashio at 9,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Haruna engages BB Prince of Wales at 2,000 yards BB Kongo engages BC Repulse at 2,000 yards BC Repulse engages CA Atago at 2,000 yards BC Repulse sunk by CA Takao at 2,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Tenedos at 2,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Tenedos at 2,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Electra at 2,000 yards DD Tenedos engages DD Oshio at 2,000 yards DD Asashio engages DD Express at 2,000 yards Range increases to 5,000 yards BB Haruna engages BB Prince of Wales at 5,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages BB Kongo at 5,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Electra at 5,000 yards CA Takao engages BB Prince of Wales at 5,000 yards CL Jintsu engages BB Prince of Wales at 5,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Express at 5,000 yards DD Akatsuki engages DD Tenedos at 5,000 yards DD Express engages DD Michishio at 5,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Electra at 5,000 yards DD Tenedos engages DD Asashio at 5,000 yards Range increases to 8,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages BB Haruna at 8,000 yards BB Kongo engages DD Express at 8,000 yards CA Atago engages DD Electra at 8,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Tenedos at 8,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages CL Jintsu at 8,000 yards DD Express engages DD Hibiki at 8,000 yards DD Express engages DD Akatsuki at 8,000 yards DD Tenedos engages DD Oshio at 8,000 yards Range increases to 9,000 yards BB Haruna engages BB Prince of Wales at 9,000 yards DD Asashio engages DD Express at 9,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages CA Atago at 9,000 yards CA Takao engages BB Prince of Wales at 9,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages CL Jintsu at 9,000 yards DD Express engages DD Arashio at 9,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Express at 9,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Express at 9,000 yards Range closes to 8,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages BB Haruna at 8,000 yards BB Kongo engages BB Prince of Wales at 8,000 yards CA Atago engages DD Express at 8,000 yards DD Tenedos engages DD Michishio at 8,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages CL Jintsu at 8,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Express at 8,000 yards DD Arashio engages DD Tenedos at 8,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Express at 8,000 yards DD Asashio engages DD Electra at 8,000 yards Range increases to 9,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages BB Haruna at 9,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Express at 9,000 yards CA Atago engages BB Prince of Wales at 9,000 yards CA Takao engages DD Tenedos at 9,000 yards DD Vampire engages DD Michishio at 9,000 yards DD Hibiki engages DD Vampire at 9,000 yards DD Express engages DD Akatsuki at 9,000 yards DD Arashio engages DD Tenedos at 9,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Express at 9,000 yards DD Asashio engages DD Express at 9,000 yards Range closes to 8,000 yards BB Prince of Wales engages BB Haruna at 8,000 yards DD Oshio engages DD Express at 8,000 yards CA Atago engages DD Electra at 8,000 yards DD Tenedos engages DD Akatsuki at 8,000 yards DD Vampire engages DD Arashio at 8,000 yards DD Express engages DD Hibiki at 8,000 yards DD Arashio engages DD Electra at 8,000 yards Phillips, Tom S.V. orders Allied TF to disengage [image]local://upfiles/44178/186296D392E0479D8E63F4EC44BE8ED2.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:02:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Here is something that I would not do...break one paratroop unit down into three air assaults: Ground combat at Laoag (81,72) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 265 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 9 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Laoag !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Itbayat Island (84,69) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 67 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 3 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Itbayat Island !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Aparri (82,73) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 96 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 2 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /3 I would not have a problem doing that to clean up dot bases behind the front. I would have no problem using the unit to drop somewhere else on the next turn if the first drop was successful. Unfortunately, you can't break the battalion sized units into companies. Only the divisions can break down.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:07:27 PM)
Butcher's bill very light. [image]local://upfiles/44178/31D583C0884340CF8AB7A9B415CB5723.jpg[/image]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:08:01 PM)
I think 1st turn was balanced in results; you got a mild/ pointless PH strike, Manila strike was weak, with few sinkings and submarines can take a lot of damage and still cruise to a new base Loss of PoW and Repulse was the (only?) big win for Japan

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:20:30 PM)
Opportunity... [image]local://upfiles/44178/B2108EBFE8074F1DBF720D83A42203EE.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:23:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury I think 1st turn was balanced in results; you got a mild/ pointless PH strike, Manila strike was weak, with few sinkings and submarines can take a lot of damage and still cruise to a new base Loss of PoW and Repulse was the (only?) big win for Japan I lost Langley...the only thundering herd ship I wanted to save.[sm=sign0063.gif] 2 Fish in Houston. Japan has fleet carriers in SRA. I sure hope he didn't merge his task forces with the KB, naval search very unreliable this early. Horrendous IJ day 2...other than sinking Task Force Z. Which was more me than him anyhow, lols. B17s force untouched! I have learned a lot from the this first two day turn.

rustysi -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:36:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury Agree, a mandatory HR in all of my games [sm=Cool-049.gif]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 8:50:18 PM)
A few more PP than anticipated. [image]local://upfiles/44178/112059FA213B4A93B69307FA443BD46A.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 9:32:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Opportunity... I have tried to oppose the IJ carriers with Enterprise and Lexington on turn two or three and they routinely accomplish squat. The IJ fighters mess up the attacks every time and there are not enough US fighters to hold them off. The IJ pro bombers have no such difficulties. Other than setting up a CAP trap, I see no opportunity.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 9:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Opportunity... I have tried to oppose the IJ carriers with Enterprise and Lexington on turn two or three and they routinely accomplish squat. The IJ fighters mess up the attacks every time and there are not enough US fighters to hold them off. The IJ pro bombers have no such difficulties. Other than setting up a CAP trap, I see no opportunity. Who said anything about Big E going in....I maybe mad, but I am not crazy! I will strip out the cruisers and destroyers, and look for a night time encounter where the IJN is saddled with slow CVs and hope to do some damage, while the Big E and a destroyer flee like little girls. With one day turns it would be simple, but 2 day turns make it simpler and harder at the same time. Flank speed runs will almost never occur because who can afford the fuel usage and wear and tear over 2 days? I see some applications, but it is limited -- and this might be a case in point. Much easier to plot likely engagement hexes for a night time fight, but a lot harder to execute your escape. I think I can do it here, with a flank speed run with way points to engagement hex and then back along the expected path of the KB followed by a return to Pearl all at flank speed. Hopefully the SAG doesn't run out of fuel until outside of air strike range. Some type of ships will be dispatched to refuel the SAG form Pearl. Another complication is that if a cruiser eats a torpedo, 3 movement pulses at flank speed are probably death. And this early taking torpedo hits at night from the IJN is highly likely. Big E and a destroyer run to Alaska -- pretty straightforward escape. The other option is for the entire Big E TF to precede the KB to Midway looking to destroy things before veering off to Alaska. That is the safe option. Where is the fun in safe? Putting say two fleet carriers into repairs at Honshu for a month now is quite the opportunity! That is probably best case with the forces at hand. And quite frankly, pulling off this stunt off and only scaring the IJN this early is opportunity!

splashell -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/7/2020 9:56:45 PM)
Really bad luck with Force Z. One-on-one Prince of Wales will absolutely wipe the floor with a Kongo class and two-on-two POW and Repulse should easily sink both Kongos, but at 2k yards against CAs/DDs packing torps, and considering the Japanese had a large numerical advantage as well, really does change the game. I wonder what the most optimal doctrine regarding using cruisers/BBs together is. Some people think it's better to keep them separate but others group cruisers along. I guess that really depends on if the enemy has cruisers as well, you are much more likely to get into closer range knife fights with the BBs and more at danger. The 4-5" secondaries on the UK BBs are probably not usually enough to deal with CAs, especially the modern Japanese ones which have a bit thicker belt armor. BBs by themselves can potentially slug it out at ranges above or at extreme limits of most cruiser guns, depending on opposite commander traits of course and whether the more aggressive side has the speed to close the gap. But of course the one with more armor benefits from close brawling (i.e. Prince of Wales). In the early 20th century, when Fisher invented the concept of "battle cruiser" the idea was a relatively lightly armored ship with B/BB caliber guns with enough speed to overtake any smaller cruiser. Well it didn't work out too well for the British during WW1. The German BCs were built on the idea of smaller caliber guns and more armor and were quite tough to sink, but even so dished out enough damage to penetrate lightly armored British BCs. The idea was to replace the old armored cruisers with BC and theoretically BCs were originally designed to be cruiser killers being able to sink anything they can catch, and outrun anything that poses a real threat to them. They were also designed to support the battleline operations, i.e. perform flanking maneuvers on the enemy fleet, but never to take on real BBs by themselves. During the interwar years, torpedo technology advanced, they became faster and longer ranged, cruisers and DDs became more dangerous, but of course the fleet standoff ranges increased as well, and screening tactics evolved better etc. Bottom line I think grouping BB/BC with cruisers will more likely decrease engagement range and should be done if the enemy is known to include cruisers as well, but at the end of the day, more firepower "should" always take the gold.

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