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mind_messing -> RE: Ooops, I did it again (Lowpe (J) vs ?(A) (8/19/2020 5:28:06 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Plane r&d
12 Sam
10 Frank
10 Rufe
10 Shinden
5 Ki 94
10 Tojo IIa
5 Nick A
5 Randy FB
10 Judy
1 Jill
2 Irving S
2 Nick D
2 Frances S
1 A6M S
? Frances
? Peggy T Can I get to 5 somehow?
1 Lilly DB
To go along with this plane r&d we will be accelerating our carriers somewhat ridiculously at the cost of subs and battleships. I think I am going to have to expand naval factories to do it, as there are quite a few additional ships in the build que.
What do you guys think?
I'd cut the Rufe down a bit. 10 seems excessive. 5 will get you the A6M5c in early '43, which is plenty early for your purposes.
Ditch the Tojo - you know my views on that airframe. Bite the bullet, you can hold the line with the Zero, Oscar and Nick till the George/Jack bolsters out the air war.
The fighter model of the Randy is worth considering if you're stacking for a late-war game.
5 on the Nick A is overkill - it arrives fairly early and the subsequent models are not any sort of improvement.
10 on the Judy is also overkill, you'll be able to get the Y1 model repair and progressing the Y4 model fairly early in the game.
You also need the Grace - while the Judy 4 is better in the dive bomber role, the Grace is massively better in the torpedo bomber role than the Jill. The extra speed matters.
I think you can drop the Zero NF if you're doing the Irving and the Frances.
Frances and Peggy I both like. You can get away with skimping on the Lily DB as it arrives early enough.
While I agree you can cut out the patrols, I'd definitely consider trying to move the Myrt recon forward. The Judy-C arrives at a good date and is a yeoman-like recon airframe, but the Myrt is a different beast with that 29 hex range.
No Patsy?
That input means a lot coming from you M-M.
I don't want the 5 so much as I want the 8 early. Really early. I would like to go 15 factories on it.[X(]
I am not sold on the return on that decision.
The A6M8, despite it's late arrival date, is still a Zero airframe. Even a late '42 or early '43 (IOW, getting it very early) will still find it outclassed by Corsair/Lightings.
Better in my mind to get the M5c for the armament and armour and trying to get another airframe that is a genuine step above the Zero.
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Ditching the Tojo...I was planning on using them to sweep close in air bases. Nothing else can sweep like Tojo this early. I would like to get the A6M8 earlier than the George/Jack, I figured I would need the limited offense Tojo provides to see me to 1943. I don't see how I can get the M8 early, and give up the Tojo.
What close in air-bases are you likely to be sweeping in 1942? Burma and possibly China are the only two that spring to mind. The short legs on the Tojo makes using it in the Pacific an exercise in frustration.
Sweeps also depend on your opponent being willing to oppose your sweeps - Loka is fond of playing dead in the air war until he has a massive advantage.
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I am thinking I might rotate the Judy factories to Grace once the 4 is finished. I kind of planned on skipping the 1 totally.
I normally put the 1 into production until the 4 arrives, as that typically takes some time to bring forward from it's later arrival date even with several R&D factories and the Val needs to be replaced ASAP.
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The Zero NF is simply to get the ability to resize NF squadrons a bit earlier if I really screw up. Insurance.
I don't think that's really needed, at least I don't remember having any issues with it in my game despite not building it.
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Myrt Recon is definitely a wanted plane...just not sure how to fit it in at game start.
I would like the Patsy and also the ki95.
Part of the problem with Myrt/Patsy/Ki95 is that I don't want to allocate too much to the very late game this early. I should have a plethora of Frank/Judy/Zero/Tojo factories to roll over into them -- add Grace to that list.
I think you need to be really quite ruthless in deciding what you *need* and what is nice to have.
For me, the later Zero models and Tojo fall in the nice to have category.
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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi
I see Lowpe going for the A6M8 and Joe going for the A6M5c. Would somebody please tell me which to do????? Next time???? I got A6M5c on 6/18/42 and i like it but am i missing something on the A6M8. Pretty sure it's too late to do anything about that either.
Look at the stats and judge for yourself.
The A6M8 is a decent plane, but hopelessly outdated at it's scheduled arrival date. A large investment can bring it forward to a date that makes it more competitive, but at the end of the day it is still a Zero airframe and suffers the same weaknesses as the previous Zero models.
I, for one, don't quite understand what makes it worth the effort as there are plenty of other airframes that generate a greater return for the R&D effort invested.
However, more than one way to play AE>
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