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Encircled -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/5/2021 9:47:22 AM)

I wonder how much further south of Suva he's going to go?

To cut the supply routes to Oz, he's got to a bit further, and its a huge logistical stretch for him




ITAKLinus -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/5/2021 10:02:50 AM)

Ok. Read the whole topic from where I left time ago.


Personal opinion: the Japanese player has committed several tactical and strategic errors, especially in letting Singers behind. Moreover, he doesn't really look committed to a target, something that can be dangerous for you if it is an able maskirovka, but might simply highlight a lack of strategic thought.


Regarding Australia. In my last PBEM, the one I was referring to few posts above, I ended with an easy A.V. in 1942. In the current one, I got it but in 1943. Australia has been the key for the "easy" (ahah!) A.V., while India hasn't given me enough points to do so. Probably I am a newbie, but that's my experience. In India you incurr in so many losses that it's basically impossible to keep the 4:1 ratio needed for the A.V.
In Australia, OTOH, you can try. If he aims at an A.V. (and I really think it's impossible in his current strategic condition), Australia is gonna be his target and he will need the famous "boots on the ground". You can stop his strategic bombing quite easily.


Now. A piece of advice. In the game I got Australia, I cut it off immediately taking Noumea and Raoul Island. It didn't really stop resupply efforts, but made them complicated and gave me enough warning on their arrival from US. Ancillary actions in Pago Pago, Canton Island and Fiji have been carried out shortly afterwards without many problems.
Then I landed around 14/Jan in Carnarvon and Geraldton with 3 IJA Divisions (I skipped Philippines and did a massive Mersing on 7th Dec to get Singers easily).
Here similarities with your game start to occurr.
I was keeping the KB (minus Kaga) in the Pacific Ocean and the 2ndKB (plus Kaga) in the DEI. When I landed in Western Australia I did a huge mess, bombing with every surface combat ship available and waiting to attack to "show" him all the tools I brought there. I was also being relatively slow intentionally to give him time to respond.

He reinforced Perth.

In the confusion after the landings, I slipped a mega-TF with three more divisions, which landed in Port Augusta on the 27th of January.

Conclusion: he moved immediately to reinforce Perth with what he had available, thinking that he could eventually contain an effort from my side in Eastern Australia, and instead I cut his guys off in Perth.
The "Battle of Perth" has been a bloodbath with my BBs and CAs bombarding everyday from the sea. He couldn't really save his troops at that point.
On the other side of Australia, KB was vigilant over any resupply effort from East.
The landing force for Port Augusta, criminally without air cover, has been damaged by Force Z + whatever australian and Royal Navy had + Hermes, but Mutsu and Nagato took it in the chin and somehow protected my troops.
He had too little warning to do anything since I used the fastest ships available for the landing with the final couple of turns in full speed.

Sydney fell then after a long siege in May. In the meanwhile, aslo, I have landed a strong force in Eastern Australia ordering them to link with the guys in Port Augusta.

Scen01 stock game. Usual HRs.


What I am trying to say is that I feel your opponent has lost the strategic grip over his Japanese global posture, but he can still do some evil trick, which can make you lose the game due to A.V. if he punches hard at the right spots.
It hasn't of course to be necessarily the "Port Augusta Gambit" I did, but something else.


I have the daily AAR of that game, but it's in Italian so I guess it's of no use [:D][:D][:D]




witpqs -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/5/2021 12:09:53 PM)

Your post justifies all the paranoia I that guides my play as Allies in the early game.




Encircled -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/5/2021 1:06:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Your post justifies all the paranoia I that guides my play as Allies in the early game.


Ditto

Everytime I think about a very aggressive forward defence, I look at what I've got if the unthinkable happens, and its almost always a

"Ah, well that would be a game ending move so I'd better defend against that"




Ambassador -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/5/2021 2:52:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Encircled


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Your post justifies all the paranoia I that guides my play as Allies in the early game.


Ditto

Everytime I think about a very aggressive forward defence, I look at what I've got if the unthinkable happens, and its almost always a

"Ah, well that would be a game ending move so I'd better defend against that"

Not only what you’ve got in reserve, but what you’ll get in the future. Every time I ponder deploying the 18th British division to Singapore, for historicity sake sake, or even to Palembang or Java, I have to remind myself that reconstituting the division will suck half the Brit Infantry section replacements for the whole length of the war.[8|]




Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/5/2021 6:03:52 PM)

Thanks to Giants, I am forewarned about the Port Augusta invasion possibility.[&o] For now I have it countered.

Pulling back into Maryborough...our front line troops pulled off 30 miles yesterday and will concentrate there with this turn.

Our first convoy arrived in Port Stanley.

Started shipping from Cristobel to Cape Town yesterday.





Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:32:34 PM)

Feb 6th, 1942

We got our shots in, a night and afternoon attack...

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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:34:59 PM)

Over Cloncurry, we flew the P40Es at bomber intercept level, around 13K, while the P40Bs flew up in the stratosphere to counter the sweeping Zeroes at 30K.

The high altitude P40Bs had a high percentage duty, while the lower P40Es had a low percentage so as not to wear themselves out on the sweepers and be there for the bombers.




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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:38:00 PM)

Worked very nicely.[:)]

I used the B17s to fly in supplies to Lasho, runway size 2, and the first day they were fine, but the 2nd day they lost 3 planes to op losses. My bad...they can deliver supplies by parachute, but need a much bigger runway if they are delivering to a base. Lesson learned.



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Ambassador -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:41:11 PM)

Well done !




Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:45:54 PM)

The Dutch hold again...the IJA troopers must be very heavily fatigued and disrupted.



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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:53:15 PM)

A lot of these arriving American squadrons will simply train, until the Indian infrastructure catches up and can accommodate them.



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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 12:56:14 PM)

The IJN continues taking low hanging fruit...



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BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 1:27:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The Dutch hold again...the IJA troopers must be very heavily fatigued and disrupted.



No fatigue/disruption malus shows up on the CR though. Is it possible to have that effect without showing up?
I thought maybe supply was inadequate but not zero, which might not show as a supply malus?




BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/6/2021 1:28:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

A lot of these arriving American squadrons will simply train, until the Indian infrastructure catches up and can accommodate them.



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The consequences of showing where KB and MKB are located - free rein in other theaters! [:)]




Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 1:36:53 PM)

Snowing again, today, heavy (at least for our area). Beautiful.[;)]

Starting to analyze our plane pools, squadrons, etc.

Here are fighters. As I understand it, if a squadron is set to be removed, the planes get withdrawn too. If I can upgrade then the planes are sent to the pools.

PDU off game...



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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 1:47:59 PM)

Ship losses for the day

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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 2:04:57 PM)

Why does this squadron jump to Mohawk and not upgrade to the earlier arriving planes?

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BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 2:38:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Snowing again, today, heavy (at least for our area). Beautiful.[;)]

Starting to analyze our plane pools, squadrons, etc.

Here are fighters. As I understand it, if a squadron is set to be removed, the planes get withdrawn too. If I can upgrade then the planes are sent to the pools.

PDU off game...


Not sure about the aircraft going to the pools, but you do not have to send the pilots with the aircraft when you do withdraw the unit. [;)]




BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 2:41:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Why does this squadron jump to Mohawk and not upgrade to the earlier arriving planes?

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I suspect that is historic. The British would not have known how many Buffalo aircraft would be available at that time and made plans based on purchasing some Mohawks. That kind of inability to respond to the actual situation is why I will never play PDU OFF again.




Q-Ball -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 3:04:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

As I understand it, if a squadron is set to be removed, the planes get withdrawn too. If I can upgrade then the planes are sent to the pools.


My observation is not exactly....with RESTRICTED units, you lose the planes and pilots. So when those are withdrawn, you need to peel off any pilots you want. This mostly applies to all the USAAF units around the West Coast. Note on these, however, that many may have planes you want to keep, like P-38Es. Provided you can get a full complement of 25 replacement planes, you can swap them out for P-26s or whatever before they withdraw. I think it's worth doing even on units that are short planes; I would trade 25 x P-26 for 12 x P-38E any day. In this way, all your older planes will leave the map.

UNRESTRICTED units, however, you retain the planes and pilots in pool when withdrawn (unless they are damaged at a low-supply base or something like that)

Somebody please correct any of this if I am wrong.....




GetAssista -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 3:51:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Why does this squadron jump to Mohawk and not upgrade to the earlier arriving planes?

Group upgrade path is set in the scenario and does not relate to the airframe availability timing.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Here are fighters. As I understand it, if a squadron is set to be removed, the planes get withdrawn too. If I can upgrade then the planes are sent to the pools.

Groups can be set either to withdraw or disband. First ones will take the airframes and pilots with them (pilots you can pull out). First ones also demand a full complement of airframes to upgrade (so that you not upgrade to 1-2 planes from some obscure model left in the pools), second ones can upgrade to whatever # of planes for the next option on the path. With PDU OFF I suppose there is no point trying to upgrade groups before withdrawal.




Ambassador -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 4:13:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

As I understand it, if a squadron is set to be removed, the planes get withdrawn too. If I can upgrade then the planes are sent to the pools.


My observation is not exactly....with RESTRICTED units, you lose the planes and pilots. So when those are withdrawn, you need to peel off any pilots you want. This mostly applies to all the USAAF units around the West Coast. Note on these, however, that many may have planes you want to keep, like P-38Es. Provided you can get a full complement of 25 replacement planes, you can swap them out for P-26s or whatever before they withdraw. I think it's worth doing even on units that are short planes; I would trade 25 x P-26 for 12 x P-38E any day. In this way, all your older planes will leave the map.

UNRESTRICTED units, however, you retain the planes and pilots in pool when withdrawn (unless they are damaged at a low-supply base or something like that)

Somebody please correct any of this if I am wrong.....

I agree. Two of 1st Pursuit Group’s squadrons have respectively 20 and 12 P-38E planes, and the HQ squadron has 2 (on a max of 5). Those are worth abandoning 55 older planes, and assigning them to an elite squadron. But beware their SR 4.

There’s also a 14th PG squadron but with only 5 P-38E ; this one I don’t find worth losing so many old planes.




Evoken -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 4:18:08 PM)

This is a PDU Off game , those squadrons dont have an upgrade path. P-38's are doomed to withdraw :(




Q-Ball -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 5:29:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Evoken

This is a PDU Off game , those squadrons dont have an upgrade path. P-38's are doomed to withdraw :(


Most sad! PDU-Off I think hurts the Japanese more than the Allies, but it does cut both ways sometimes....like this!




Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 5:32:43 PM)

Right, all the P38 squadrons save one size 5 have no upgrade path, and will withdraw and are restricted. The size 5 squadron (with four planes) upgrades to a P40 strangely enough.[;)]

I managed to get the one P38 squadron to Pearl, which may or may not see a KB raid.

Ok, good to know that the pdu off upgrade path routinely skips earlier arriving planes...I thought it might have been an oversight.












Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 7:01:08 PM)

This turn, we are springing quite a few CAP traps, as the IJ have started to use their bombers a bit more aggressively.

Evacuating Perth to Kalgoorlie.





Ambassador -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 7:01:18 PM)

Right, PDU Off.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Right, all the P38 squadrons save one size 5 have no upgrade path, and will withdraw and are restricted. The size 5 squadron (with four planes) upgrades to a P40 strangely enough.[;)]

I managed to get the one P38 squadron to Pearl, which may or may not see a KB raid.

Ok, good to know that the pdu off upgrade path routinely skips earlier arriving planes...I thought it might have been an oversight.


AFAIK, it follows the historical changes of equipment of the squadrons. Some of the USMC squadrons also downgrade (or « upgrade down »), so if you start lacking some Wildcat models, you may check there.




Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 8:16:27 PM)

Jan 6th, 1942

One of many failed torpedo strikes today.[8|]



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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (2/7/2021 8:18:39 PM)

Use the deck gun! 11 hits … but hit 3 times.



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