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Kung Karl -> Operational Art of War (8/9/2003 11:58:35 PM)

Does anyone know were to get this game? I live in Sweden and the game can't be purchased here anymore. I realy want this game but I don't know were to get it.



Paratrooper -> (8/10/2003 12:08:42 AM)

You might check [url]www.talonsoft.com.[/url] They might still be selling it online.

But you're not alone. 'I love in seden' also. ;)



Paratrooper -> (8/10/2003 12:18:13 AM)

Check here also: http://www.take2store.com/

Search for '0perational art of war' and then click on 'The Operational Art of War: Century of Warfare - PC'. Its still available for $39.99 US.

From their page:

'This amazing collection includes The Operational Art of War Volume 1, The Operational Art of War Volume 1: Battlepack 1, The Operational Art of War Volume 2, The Operational Art of War Volume 2: Flashpoint Kosovo Battlepack and bonus World War I era scenarios & database.

Please note this is a jewelcase version of the game.'



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/10/2003 1:44:21 AM)

Kung Karl

Not to take aaaaaany interest away from you getting TOAW because heck I have it and I consider it incredible, but you have alternatives now.

Korun Pocket might entertain you, and you might want to look into Battlefields here at Matrix Games.

Battlefields is shaping up to be a very possible next generation game experience of the sort that Talonsoft gave us with Operational Art of War.

Another option, might be to look into this site here.

http://www.warfarehq.com/

(please note Warfare HQ's discussions forums are down for maintenance as I post this).

You might be able to arrange for a used copy from a member there if you can't locate a new copy of Century of Warfare.

And if you like the older versions (which have nothing wrong with them), you might look into this at CD Access.com.

http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/artwar1e.htm

Keep in mind, the older versions might not like Windows XP.



Kung Karl -> (8/10/2003 1:57:17 AM)

Thanks for the help guys! If I am able to buy it from Take 2 Store is it worth the 39.99 US dollar? I mean, it is an old game and it might not be of the sam quality like the new ones. I have East Front 2. Is TOAW better or worse? Is it a big diffrence?



Fallschirmjager -> (8/10/2003 3:01:40 AM)

Yes

It is worth every penny
And the community is still active so you can fine plenty of PBEM opponents and new scenarios

And while I agree with Les that Battlefields will likely be the next step in operational wargaming...
It could very well be up to a year before we see the release of that


If you really want to find out if it is worth it....here is a demo
(hope you have broadband)

[URL=http://www.talonsoft.com/downloads/completelisting.html#toaw1-demo]Demo[/URL]



This is for the first game...but aside from a few minor differences..its the same game



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/10/2003 3:27:58 AM)

Is it worth it, even if old, hmmm

I have yet to see a game lose value based entirely on age.

I own ASL, if the house was on fire, I would be saving it first. And that game hails from 2 decades back.

Steel Panthers is now getting fairly old in its original form, and yet as we speak I am help develope the 4th Mega Campaign for it.

I have zero reason to not want to play Allied General, again not a new game.

Worth it, I bought Century of Warfare OOOOONLY because I wanted it to run on Windows XP without a lot of fuss. I actually already owned Operational Art of War Elite edition volumes 1 and 2.
But Volume 1 hated XP and that is that.

Cost me 80 bucks (canadian) to get my XP friendly copy. Money I spent willingly.

There are those that will be able to quote why you "might" not like the game. I can quote you reasons why you "might" not like every wargame ever made though.

If you can get your mitts on a copy, it will be money well spent I think.



Kung Karl -> (8/10/2003 3:36:47 PM)

I don't have a thing against old game at all. Not a tiny little thing. I just wondered, becasue this game might cost me about 750 US dollar, if it had been replaced with a newer game like East Front 2 or any other operational game that is easier and cheaper to obtain. The fact that the game is old doesn't bother me at all.
Again thanks for all the info!



NefariousKoel -> (8/10/2003 4:00:26 PM)

I'll say this once again. It seems like this topic pops up here once a month. :rolleyes:

I own TOAW I & II. I need the "A Century of Warfare" version in order to work on WinXP. F'in Nazis. ;) It's almost a crime I'd have to buy them all over again just to play such a wonderful wargame.


Personally, I loved the good Vietnam scenario hosted on wargamer. It was based off the VG game (named, of all things-Vietnam) . The FOW system was great. Bad thing is, there is two different versions. I can't recall who made the one that is most enjoyable.......


The other favorite was the Invasion of Cuba circa early 60s style. It was one of the scenarios that came with the game IIRC. Talk about tough! You weren't given a whole lot to deal with your objectives that's for sure!


All in all, the user made scenarios really made the game stand out. I loved 'em. :D More than any other game that came equipped with a mission editor. Absolutely wonderful!
I miss it. :(



Paratrooper -> (8/10/2003 4:05:16 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NefariousKoel
[B]I'll say this once again. It seems like this topic pops up here once a month. :rolleyes:

I own TAOW I & II. I need the "A Century of Warfare" version in order to work on WinXP. F'in Nazis. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Check here: http://www.take2store.com/

Search for '0perational art of war' and then click on 'The Operational Art of War: Century of Warfare - PC'. Its still available for $39.99 US.

From their page:

'This amazing collection includes The Operational Art of War Volume 1, The Operational Art of War Volume 1: Battlepack 1, The Operational Art of War Volume 2, The Operational Art of War Volume 2: Flashpoint Kosovo Battlepack and bonus World War I era scenarios & database.

Please note this is a jewelcase version of the game.'



NefariousKoel -> (8/10/2003 4:10:51 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paratrooper
[B]Check here: http://www.take2store.com/

Search for '0perational art of war' and then click on 'The Operational Art of War: Century of Warfare - PC'. Its still available for $39.99 US.

From their page:

'This amazing collection includes The Operational Art of War Volume 1, The Operational Art of War Volume 1: Battlepack 1, The Operational Art of War Volume 2, The Operational Art of War Volume 2: Flashpoint Kosovo Battlepack and bonus World War I era scenarios & database.

Please note this is a jewelcase version of the game.' [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks Para.

The cash flow is a bit restricted these days. I still have extra computer(s) that are Win98 fortunately. It's good for single player goodness and I can get by on it, so no worries as long as the scenarios downloads are hosted. :D



Kung Karl -> (8/10/2003 4:33:19 PM)

The problem with take2store is that it is based in the US and the shipping to sweden alone is 35 USD!! And that is for a jewelcase!! Well since I live in sweden the total amount will be 750USD and that is kind of expensive for a student. But on the other hand, I am studying to be an history teacher and my main intrest is operatinal art of war.:)



NefariousKoel -> (8/10/2003 6:40:13 PM)

750 USD?!!?!!!

Hell, you could probably buy a female slave for that much dinero!



Paratrooper -> (8/10/2003 7:00:21 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kung Karl
[B]The problem with take2store is that it is based in the US and the shipping to sweden alone is 35 USD!! And that is for a jewelcase!! Well since I live in sweden the total amount will be 750USD and that is kind of expensive for a student. But on the other hand, I am studying to be an history teacher and my main intrest is operatinal art of war.:) [/B][/QUOTE]

I hate to do this, but you can also check eBay.com. There might be someone in Europe willing to part with their copy of TOAW:COW.



NefariousKoel -> (8/10/2003 7:13:02 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paratrooper
[B]I hate to do this, but you can also check eBay.com. There might be someone in Europe willing to part with their copy of TOAW:COW. [/B][/QUOTE]

...Or their wife.:rolleyes:



Muahahaaa



Kung Karl -> (8/10/2003 9:38:52 PM)

Sorry, I meant 75 USD.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/10/2003 9:53:56 PM)

Kung you have made an error in not thinking outside of the box dude.

Sweden is just a 5 dollar mailing charge to me here in Canada eh.

It is about the same for a US citizen as well.

The point being, have a friend purchase it, and remail it from his/her place as private mail. Won't cost you more than 5 bucks past the cost to a North American citizen.

That said, I have my old copy of Operational Art of War Elite Edition Volume One, interested in it?

It is the version designed for WW2 battles. So no, if you want modern version ie Operational Art of War Elite Edition Volume 2, I can't help you there.

It's up for offer, and I don't want a fortune for it.

Only downside, is if you are not able to employ Win 98 SE, it won't likely be any use to you.

PM me if you have any interest. Game is in excellent condition, I even have the box and manual if you are not afraid of a couple extra bucks on top of what I would need to mail it.



Pippin -> (8/11/2003 1:13:01 PM)

I also have TOAW Eleete edition. Bought it years ago for only 13 bucks canadian due to some non-wargamer in the store thinking it was supposed to be in the bargain bin because he thought the ugly grey cover meant it was an OLD game!!!

One of my best finds. In any case, I was sadend a couple years ago to find that my ahem... CD is no longer compatible with an NT system. I can not play it using any NT kernel, especialy not on XP. So be carefull guys, better go with MatrixGames and make sure your software will be compatible.

The ironic thing is, MicroSoft in all their wisdom, likes to give me errors saying my CD is a non NT compatible piece of hardware. As though you need WINDOWS formated CDs!



Pippin -> (8/11/2003 1:19:26 PM)

I also have TOAW Eleete edition. Bought it years ago for only 13 bucks canadian due to some non-wargamer in the store thinking it was supposed to be in the bargain bin because he thought the ugly grey cover meant it was an OLD game!!!

One of my best finds. In any case, I was sadend a couple years ago to find that my ahem... CD is no longer compatible with an NT system. I can not play it using any NT kernel, especialy not on XP. So be carefull guys, better go with MatrixGames and make sure your software will be compatible.

The ironic thing is, MicroSoft in all their wisdom, likes to give me errors saying my CD is a non NT compatible piece of hardware. As though you need WINDOWS formated CDs!



Procrustes -> (8/12/2003 2:42:11 AM)

I have TOAW - Wargame of the Year Edition - does anyone know if this will run on XP? (Pi$$ed me off - about three months after I bought it they put out the "COW" edition, and changed the game engine. I can't find any scenarios for this version, but it plays well under Win98.)



Brigz -> (8/12/2003 7:26:01 AM)

This thread made me get out and dust off my TOAW games and reload them on my computer.
I own both the original Operational Art of War I and II (bought them when they first came out) and have them upgraded to the most current Talonsoft patches. What I could never figure out is why all the different versions. What do you get with TOAW Elite that you don't get with the original game? Are the programs for Vol I and Vol II the same as the ones in A Century of Warfare? Elite and Century of Warfare run on all platforms?



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/12/2003 8:15:23 AM)

Me I have the Elite Edition version of both Volume 1 and 2.

Volume 1 was WW2 and Volume 2 was modern essentially as I understand it.

I can only think that each new version is exploiting updates tweaks and the need essentially to provide new product when it sold out.
That it regularly sold out either indicates Talonsoft was either not making enough supply for the demand, or the game has enough demand it doesn't take long to move the stock.

I know they have made packages that incorporated new product ie the Kosovo one.

I bought Century of War primarily to get the advantage of a product able to play user friendly with XP (which didn't exist when I bought Volume 1 originally).

As for exactly what the heck is different from Elite Edition Volume 1 and the material bundled with CoW, I have no definitive idea.
They have not reinvented Volume 1 so much as merely re package it more or less.

I do know that game saves etc from earlier versions have trouble with later versions.

The only trouble I have ever really experienced with Volume 1 was a patch that was required merely to get it to install. And that was basically it, if you use the patch you have no trouble.

For those able to use Win 98SE and only wanting a WW2 experience, you get what you need out of the Volume 1 product more or less.

Those needing more input can likely get lots of assistance over at Warfare HQ where there are a lot of fans of the game it should be noted.

http://www.warfarehq.com/forums/index.php?s=



Fallschirmjager -> (8/12/2003 8:25:04 AM)

Elite was the original game and the expansion pack put on the same cd



Brigz -> (8/13/2003 7:07:44 AM)

Thanks Les and F'Jager. So I guess the basic programs are the same for all the editions. Like I said I just re installed Opart 1 and 2 and ran the most current update. I downloaded some recent scenarios from the Wargamer page and they run fine so I guess I'm in good shape. Haven't messed around with these in a long time and it's kind of fun getting to learn them again.



Brigz -> (8/13/2003 11:00:51 AM)

Now I remember why I got a little fed up with all the changes and versions of TOAW I and II. I was just over at Norm's web page and under his TOAW I section he says:

"A substantially improved version of this game, [B]using the TOAW II game engine[/B] and significantly expanded equipment database was released as TOAW:Wargame of the Year Edition."

What the heck does this mean? Are some people playing TOAW I with the TOAW II engine and some not? When I upgraded my version of TOAW I to version 1.7 does that upgrade my original game to use the TOAW II engine that was the basis for TOAW I: Wargame of the Year Edition?

So you see, there are three versions of this game out there:
TOAW I (the original game)
TOAW I Wargame of the Year Edition (TOAW I with TOAW II engine)
TOAW A Century of Warfare (both TOAW I and TOAW II in one package and I assume using the TOAW II engine for both.)

I'd like to have the most current updated version of these games but I don't know if I have them already because of the upgrades or do I need to buy new versions.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/13/2003 7:29:04 PM)

Dave, the ooooooonly thing that counts is if the game runs, and satisfies.

My first and only ever problem with TOAW 1 Elite Edition was an installation problem. I needed a patch that made it install correctly. From there everything was ok.

After a point, the rest is like Steel Panthers. Sure the latest version I am using with the MC test is the "best version", but it would be folly to say 4.2 was drastically "damaged and unplayable". Same could be said for 5.1 versions through 7.1

You might have a snag if trying to play it online versus an individual not on the same page as you.

You might have trouble if trying to use a user created scenario not made with your version in mind.

But I would not have time to list every game I have that might have trouble with playing another person online, or not be totally in sync with user made scenarios.

The only substantive difference made for Steel Panthers was it was made windows environment friendly in my opinion.
And the only substantive alteration in TOAW (my opinion) was they made the whole sheebang XP capable in the CoW edition.

I would still be using it in 98SE as Elite Edition Vol 1 if they had not made Cow. And I would have no complaints with how it ran (beyond being forced to run 98SE that is).



Knavery2112 -> (8/14/2003 12:51:01 AM)

So in your opinion Les, would it be more beneficial to buy CoW or install a dual boot of 98/XP? I have ToAW 1 elite and the regular edition of 2. I don't have any x packs beyone that. Does it come with anything else other than a disk?



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/14/2003 2:01:57 AM)

Hmm we gotta unify these two threads hehe.

If you have Vol 1 and 2 odds are your correct move is to invest in a new wargame in some respects.

A dual boot is a simple process.

But considering you could buy CoW which really is not so significantly different, or you could buy Korsun Pocket a hot new ticket :)

And the talk at Wargamer is putting it up for an award. Lots of people are pleased with Korsun at this moment in time. And anyone that will play TOAW is essentially a Korsun type wargamer.



Kung Karl -> (8/14/2003 5:57:43 AM)

Will TOAW run fine on WinME?



Knavery2112 -> (8/14/2003 6:19:50 AM)

Well Les,

I ordered CoW for 39.99 from Talonsoft. I don't want to dink around with installing Win98SE. My time is more valuable to me than to mess with that. Plus Win98 suck duck balls.



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