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BBfanboy -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (11/29/2021 5:14:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: John 3rd quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants John truly HATES P-38s. [:@] It's not just a figure of speech from him. In one of our abbreviated games, I did what you are doing with them set for high altitude sweeps....kill numerous Tojos in masse with few losses. Kudos!! [&o] [&o] HATE THEM! [sm=00000007.gif] P-38s are very useful. Put with your keys so that you can open a can of food when you want to with less hassle if you do not otherwise have a working can opener. You open cans with a P-38?!! [image]local://upfiles/35791/0592F0CFE3AE4E6DA687F1229A18C2F3.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (11/29/2021 2:30:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: John 3rd quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants John truly HATES P-38s. [:@] It's not just a figure of speech from him. In one of our abbreviated games, I did what you are doing with them set for high altitude sweeps....kill numerous Tojos in masse with few losses. Kudos!! [&o] [&o] HATE THEM! [sm=00000007.gif] P-38s are very useful. Put with your keys so that you can open a can of food when you want to with less hassle if you do not otherwise have a working can opener. You open cans with a P-38?!! [image]local://upfiles/35791/0592F0CFE3AE4E6DA687F1229A18C2F3.jpg[/image] Issued with the C-ration anti-diarrhea boxes, they are small yet sturdy. I remember reading about a couple in Czechoslovakia who received a couple with some C-rations after WWII. They used them for years before sending one of them back stating that they never needed another can opener and to put that one in a museum or something like that. If I recall correctly, the man who invented it let other companies make them with no profits for him. They cost less than 0.01 USD to make at that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener [image]local://upfiles/52896/07947D79DE9942A8AB7EE8CDFAB84822.jpg[/image]

bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/6/2021 2:31:44 AM)
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John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/6/2021 9:12:39 PM)
April 18, 1943 Port Moresby Until the P-47 deploys, the P-38 is the BANE of Japanese fighter resistance in 1943. Considerable 'ink' has been used in the last couple of pages describing their amazingness. Well...there are ways to combat those Forked-Tail Devils. For the last 4-6 weeks, the Japanese have been improvising their aerial defense over the last bases in NE Australia. With the fall of Portland Roads, this has all changed. The Japanese have replenished airframes, rested pilots, and prepared for a renewal of the fight. Quietly nearly 400 navy and army fighters begin redeploying into the area. The only thing needed is a good, strong test. That test comes April 18, 1943. At Port Moresby, radar picks up incoming waves of fighters and this provides ample warning as Allied Fighters Sweep into the area. A small standing combat air patrol is rapidly reinforced by dozens of planes. For this fight, they do not climb to any sort of altitude. Tony's set up at 11,000 Ft, Zeros at 9,000 Ft and Tojos at 7,000 Ft. By the time the first squadron of 23 P-38 arrive, 94 Japanese planes wait for them. The low altitude defense gives the enemy the bounce and that costs a few aircraft, however, at that moment the less agile P-38 are down where the Japanese are most dangerous. The enemy squadron is beaten up badly, same for the next wave of 25, and the next wave of 22, and a final wave of 25 planes. The tallys look to be a near 1-1 exchange in planes. This is excellent since many Japanese pilots bail out over a FRIENDLY Base so only a few are lost. That cannot be said for the Allied pilots. Many are certainly killed, some taken prisoner, while other get lost in the jungle. In terms of tactics, a 2-3 to 1 advantage in numbers, coupled to the low altitude spell relief and a little bit of hope to the Japanese defenses...just as importantly, a number of empty Allied pilot seats appear in four squadron's Ready Rooms. NICE! [image]local://upfiles/18041/567341BBC6A9447783ECDCDFB8C27A7E.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/14/2021 4:07:17 PM)
Turns have been slow as we each head into the Holiday with our jobs keeping things interesting... April 23, 1943 Line Islands The Allies arrive in strength and land at Fanning and Washington Isles. The 2nd one is not defended so it falls. Fanning is hit by 2 BB on a bombardment mission and then two Landing TFs that have BBs embedded as well. By the end of the day, Fanning falls to a 71-1 result. Not much there except a small SNLF unit and two small Base Forces... Two Bombardment TFs arrive at Christmas and tangle with the minefields there. In the confusion of the moment, Ha-10 fires two TT at the side of BB North Carolina from a range of only 800 yards. The midget cannot miss and does not miss. TWO torpedoes slam into the new Battleship. Damage cannot be too bad but is a welcome surprise... [image]local://upfiles/18041/74A2C88672F147D58829EA2B9EF5CC32.jpg[/image]

bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/15/2021 2:40:46 AM)
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bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/15/2021 2:41:53 AM)
4-23b: yep... [image]local://upfiles/27655/73487DB0E3CD468A9155C5555A72FEC3.jpg[/image]

bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/15/2021 2:43:13 AM)
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John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/16/2021 2:40:14 PM)
April 25, 1943 Line Islands The Allies continue to pour in the troops. 4-24 Having taken Washington and Fanning, the Allies move into Palmyra on the 24th. The initial assault does not go well at 1-6 (despite two BB Bombardment TFs) and the American troops take 2,052 Cas, 22 Guns, and 118 Vehicles lost. The base at Palmyra (held by an SNLF Assault Brigade and large Base Force) HOLDS for 24 hours. 4-25 More troops begin unloading and numerous bombardments occur thru the night into the morning of the 25th. The odds swing totally over to the Americans as they achieve a 69-1 attack. The Japanese lose 6152 troops, 131 Guns, and 13 Vehicles while they exact a cost of 804 troops, 29 Guns, and 16 Vehicles from the landing force. Everything, as expected, has fallen except the main base at Christmas. This base is fully garrisoned at maximum capacity, has troops at 100% prep, lots of supplies and Forts 6. BRING IT ON! The defense of the other islands has not been in vain for Japan. Several days have been bought for the counter-strike. A pair of American PT Boats (sitting IN THE MIDDLE of the ocean) are swept aside by a Japanese Carrier TF of 4 Heavy and 4 Light CVs. They broadcast warning the enemy is approaching. Japanese planes return to the Christmas airfield this day and fly sorties putting 2 TT into BB West Virginia and 7 Bombs on USS Nevada. Folks: The GANG is all here! We are locked, cocked and READY TO RUMBLE! BANZAI!!! Turn sent to Paul... [image]local://upfiles/18041/070DF29AC6A1424FB85078AC96B343CA.jpg[/image]

bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/20/2021 3:03:04 AM)
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bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/20/2021 3:04:06 AM)
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BBfanboy -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/20/2021 4:38:37 AM)
Holey Socks! Looks like KB has been de-fanged! [X(] Never saw such heavy losses without any carriers going down.

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/21/2021 4:47:06 PM)
To say that the Japanese are FULLY engaged is an understatement! Just got Day TWO of the Battle of the Line Islands done and sent it back to Paul. HOLY CATS! Don't have time for a full Posting but will when I get back from the store. How about a tease???[:D] BANZAI! [image]local://upfiles/18041/D1C08AD8DDDA41AD8E8F8E166DE0CA8C.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/21/2021 10:48:50 PM)
April 25, 1943 Setting the Stage We're going to walk through how Japan gets to the 27th of April. The Kaigun was already 'leaning' towards the Line Islands prior to spotting the enemy approaching. There are two major elements of the Kido Butai. The first--we'll call Force A--was running roughly a day ahead of the other. Force B had to refuel and it cost a day prior to this screen shot. If BOTH could have been together, it might have been even better then it turned out. The lines and arrows point to the planned movements of the two TFs. At this point, air search had NOT shown the enemy heavy carriers. Resistance had only been shown thru CVEs. Mistake on my part but, thankfully, and cost is NOT in carrier decks! [image]local://upfiles/18041/EDC77DF852F04CFCB6D026A5F1E83915.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/21/2021 11:01:57 PM)
2nd Battle of the Line Islands, Day ONE April 26, 1943 Japan gets off very lightly in what COULD have been a catastrophic day. Force B only moves 50% of it projected total (CRAP!) and Force A moves about 75% of the way. At first, this is terrible but as it works out, I am thankful. ALL of the Allied Fleet appears to be here and the Japanese strikes are badly shredded. Force A loses 226 aircraft--57 Zero, 78 Judy, and 91 Jill. OUCH! The two strikes that hit the Allies are 96 Zero, 25 DB, and 50 TB vs 249 Fighters then the PM strike totals 98 Zero, 65 DB, and 73 TB. vs 217 Fighters. While losses are TERRIBLE, strike planes get thru in the PM phase. Those few planes do outstanding work! CV Lexington is hit by 2 TT, CV Indomitable takes 1 Bomb (Ammo Storage Explosion) and 1 TT for HEAVY DAMAGE, and CV Ranger gets a 500KG bomb. It is a lot of planes for 3TT and 2B! PLANNING: LOTS of TFs moving back-and-forth. Order Force B to move NE and Force A to move NW towards the other section of Kido Butai. [image]local://upfiles/18041/7646CBA06C834F0D84326F1370E9DE80.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/21/2021 11:51:47 PM)
April 27, 1943 2nd Battle of the Line Islands, Day TWO This TIME Japanese moves go their full amount and the two TFs reach their (rough) assigned areas. To my great surprise, there are TFs EVERYWHERE. Many are highly sought after types of shipping (READ: APAs). Unfortunately--or FORTUNATELY--Force B launches AM and PM strikes at the Allied Carrier Fleet. Small strikes fly against vulnerable shipping. This is the order of strikes and results: AM Phase 4 Zero and 14 DB hit 2 APA with 2 and 3 500 KG Bombs 8 Zero and 14 TB hit two APAs with 1 and 2 TTs 89 Zero, 32 DB, and 26 TB attack the Enemy Fleet. They encounter 220+ Fighters. Only a few Judy get through and they miss their strikes. 27 Zero and 17 DB strike an LSI(L) with 5 Bombs and two DMS with 1 and 2 Bombs respectively PM Phase 4 Zero and 8 DB hit BB Mississippi with 1 Bomb 8 Zero and 10 TB SINK 2 AP and smack another AP with 1 TT THE BIG ONE! 85 Zero, 61 DB, and 62 TB vs 230 CAP Fighters. Don't know what happens. The weather this day is really CRAPPY with a number of planes getting lost or can't find target messages occurring. After just a short time fighting, the Attack Aircraft burst thru the enemy Fighters. Fully 50% of the planes get thru to attack. AS I prepared to sacrifice a cat here, the Dive and Torpedo Planes attacked. The results are FANTASTIC! Carriers Enterprise takes 2TT and is ON FIRE with heavy engine damage. Ranger takes 2 more bombs (3 total now) and is ON FIRE Hornet is SMACKED with 1 Bomb, 3 TTs, and a Fuel Storage Explosion--Heavy Damage Wasp takes 2TT with heavy engine damage. Other Ships BB South Dakota takes 2TT for Heavy Damage BC Strasbourg takes 2 Bombs CA Devonshire gets 2 Bombs and is ON FIRE GLORIOUS! [image]local://upfiles/18041/BDCFAA566777492DABF4F5E3A1FC1E01.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/21/2021 11:57:34 PM)
Forgot to list plane losses for the day! 36 Zero, 70 DB, and 64 TB Not bad for the RESULTS! BANZAI! BANZAI!! BANZAI!!! There is BLOOD in the water... [image]local://upfiles/18041/D1A98F9FFB634EF3A14A31AC91B30493.jpg[/image]

bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/22/2021 2:36:26 AM)
Japs will loose alot of good pilots(470). Allies will loose alot of Cvs, seems like the IJN has alot of CVs. [image]local://upfiles/18041/D1A98F9FFB634EF3A14A31AC91B30493.jpg[/image] [/quote] [image]local://upfiles/27655/00934FBCE8AA49F6AE627CBD4A436F74.jpg[/image]

Nomad -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/22/2021 2:49:20 AM)
Did the USN not fly this turn? [&:]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/22/2021 4:45:36 AM)
Not a single US Sortie EITHER day.

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/22/2021 4:47:27 AM)
Japan has not lost a single carrier whatsoever to this point in the war. I provided the Japanese current Order-of-Battle several months ago in game time.

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/23/2021 6:14:12 PM)
April 28, 1943 Don't even know where to start. This will be a LONG series of entries. Suffice it to say that April 28, 1943 was a VERY GOOD day for the Empire of Japan![sm=sterb029.gif][sm=Tank-fahr09.gif]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/23/2021 9:31:48 PM)
April 27, 1943 Orders for April 28th With the success of the afternoon air strike on the American carriers, Japan shifts its thinking for the upcoming turn. There is a HUGE amount of vulnerable shipping nearby and it can be GOBBLED UP! From Force B, two STF are created: 1. BC Hiei and 3 DDs are dispatched directly towards Palmyra. 2. CA Niitaka and Suzuka (Niitaka-Class CAs--not the Tone-Class CAs) are sent slightly to the east of the venerable BC. A separate STF of a CA, CL, and 3 DD come in from the NW and their destination is set for Palmyra itself. In the SE of the Line Islands, a set of 6 DDs had arrived to form a small strike force. That strike force is flung directly at Fanning Isle. The two Kido Butai TFs move NE in preparation for a massed attack as they fly off battered air groups and fly in fresh ones... This is the PLAN for April 28, 1943. [image]local://upfiles/18041/0DE4B9B3A7134B24B3DD583206466590.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/23/2021 9:45:35 PM)
The Surface TFs move thru the night to attack the enemy and find multiple major targets as they get to experience days and feelings not felt since the early days of World War Two as Allied ships desperately try to escape. The Kongo-Class Battlecruiser is my favorite class of Japanese warship. Tonight finds the Hiei and her 3 DDs full of fight and ready to go. Throughout the late night and early morning the small TF engages enemy ships. By sunrise, the warships have sunk a DMS, two BIG APAs, 2 SC, an AP. damaged a DMS, and crippled another APA. The pair of modern CAs sweep to the east and do a credible job as well. They engage and sink 2 APA, an LSI(L), and damage another APA. The prize for these three TFs goes to the Myoko-Class Abashiri and her four escorts. In the distress signals flooding the airwaves and chaos being created to the east of them, this TF slips into the waters of Palmyra UNNOTICED. It is here that they pounce on an anchored Invasion TF featuring BB West Virginia and about 20 other ships. The aggressive Japanese are in the mood for knife-fighting as they rapidly close to 2,000 yards range. During the fight, BB West Virginia is smashed by 8" gunfire and 3 Long Lance TTs. It SINKS! With her goes 2 APA, an AM, 4 LST, an LCI, and AP. Two more LST and three AP are hit and heavily damaged as the TF turns back for the sea. THOUSANDS of American troops are killed and left to drown in the seas. BANZAI! The morning finds the three TFs moving NW and they are not engaged through the day's air action. NONE Of these ships take any significant damage. Goodness...

bigred -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/24/2021 1:30:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: John 3rd The Surface TFs move thru the night to attack the enemy and find multiple major targets as they get to experience days and feelings not felt since the early days of World War Two as Allied ships desperately try to escape. The Kongo-Class Battlecruiser is my favorite class of Japanese warship. Tonight finds the Hiei and her 3 DDs full of fight and ready to go. Throughout the late night and early morning the small TF engages enemy ships. By sunrise, the warships have sunk a DMS, two BIG APAs, 2 SC, an AP. damaged a DMS, and crippled another APA. The pair of modern CAs sweep to the east and do a credible job as well. They engage and sink 2 APA, an LSI(L), and damage another APA. The prize for these three TFs goes to the Myoko-Class Abashiri and her four escorts. In the distress signals flooding the airwaves and chaos being created to the east of them, this TF slips into the waters of Palmyra UNNOTICED. It is here that they pounce on an anchored Invasion TF featuring BB West Virginia and about 20 other ships. The aggressive Japanese are in the mood for knife-fighting as they rapidly close to 2,000 yards range. During the fight, BB West Virginia is smashed by 8" gunfire and 3 Long Lance TTs. It SINKS! With her goes 2 APA, an AM, 4 LST, an LCI, and AP. Two more LST and three AP are hit and heavily damaged as the TF turns back for the sea. THOUSANDS of American troops are killed and left to drown in the seas. BANZAI! The morning finds the three TFs moving NW and they are not engaged through the day's air action. NONE Of these ships take any significant damage. Goodness... IT WILL GOT WORSE FOR THE ALLIES. In decision process the allies were not aware of the 2nd KB approaching from the NW and some APA ran into the trap. Decisive Jap Victory.

Nomad -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/24/2021 1:32:52 AM)
Why are the USN CVs not launching strikes?

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/24/2021 2:42:32 PM)
Why indeed? Let us TURN to those CVs...

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/24/2021 2:53:50 PM)
Christmas Isle Special Attack Unit April 27, 1943 Captain Sadatoma Miyomoto flies his flag on IJN Onami. This destroyer and three others slipped into Christmas Isle's anchorage when the Battle commenced two days ago. His quartet joined two older DDs and they form a small strike force ready for action. Orders Arrive in the early evening. From Combined Fleet: "ENEMY CARRIERS STRUCK AND BURNING AT POSITION TO CHA WAA. CERTAIN THEY RETIRE TO FANNING ISLE. ENGAGE AND DESTROY." Those are the type of orders ANY destroyerman can understand. He orders a meeting of the Captains at 2000 with orders to leave at 2200. The Captain's Orders are simple. Single column following Onami. Get in Close. Get Hits. No retreat. Fight to the last shell and torpedo. The knife-fighters depart at 2200. [image]local://upfiles/18041/1219965ED1254E3AB6DBBDD6AEAD81AC.jpg[/image]

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/24/2021 3:05:30 PM)
2nd Battle of the Line Islands, Day THREE April 28, 1943 Captain Sadatoma's unit advances at a steady 24 knots through a very dark and stormy set of seas. Just four hours into the journey (0224 Hours) his lookouts spot the wakes of enemy ships. His unit is still 40+ miles from its target. With orders in mind, the Japanese try to evade the American TF but to no avail. Radar has spotted the Japanese. The range closes as the Japanese move in-and-out of rain squalls. At 8,000 Yard American guns open fire. Very quickly the Japanese realize they are up against some big guns as large shell splashes bracket the fast moving destroyers. Sadatoma orders the ship to go evasive and chase the splashes while preparing Long Lances for attack. The range slightly closes to 7,000 Yards when the Japanese turn and launch a massed salvo of torpedoes. They all MISS! The Range starts to open as a hailstorm of shells fall everywhere BUT on the Japanese ships. The range grows 9,000, 11,000, 13,000, and finally 15,000 yards. More Torpedoes are launched: MISS!!! The engagement ends. The Japanese have not been touched. Later, it will be found out that the Japanese engaged BB New Mexico, CA Quincy, and escorting DDs. Through the confusion of the fight, the American radio Fanning that they have defeated a Japanese cruiser group sinking three of six targets. Not true at all. Though rattled and OUT OF TTs, Captain Sadatoma is made a far sterner stuff. He has orders. ATTACK! Ladies and Gentlemen: The foxes are about to enter the hen house.

John 3rd -> RE: Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd (12/24/2021 3:08:58 PM)
....sorry...have to go to work...

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