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AmmoSgt -> (8/12/2003 1:11:48 PM)
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Hard to express exactly what I mean in short posts .. ok not so short post .. yes the 81mm has several HE rounds .. the current 56 hex range is closest to the 4 lb charge the lighter charge would go the farther range and I think it should be 65 hexes I don't know where I got the 3900 yard I think I mistyped 3200 once and somehow got stuck with it in my head.
4 lb charge is not a small thing thats is larger than a German 105 at 3 lbs It is almost a US 105mm at 4.8 lbs . If Germans can somehow work with 80mm and 120mm as organic unit weapons I don't buy the lame excuse that the 60mm classed as a Mortar instead of a light mortar is some big problem ... Let me be clear about one thing .. I am posting concerning SPWAW NOT H2H .. what leo wants to do with Leo's Mod is Leo's business , it is not any business of mine , anyway back to the mortars ...
The 11 pound w/4lber HE Charged 81mm is a Standard round Just like the 7 lb w/1.4 or whatever Round .. the Current range is the proper range for the Larger round .. either or range or charge needs to be changed .. I have never asked for nor do i want US weapons modeled over strenght .. Do you really want to start worrying about who made how many rounds of what .. given the US Production capability compared to the axis powers ? A standard round is made in quanity I would prefer the heavier round and the currect range , but hey you want the lighter round and the longer range OK ? at least it will reflect something correctly.
Same with the 60mm whatever modeling problems making it a mortar might cause , since C&C is NOT a SPWAW strong point I say go with the more accurate modeling of the weapon , thats what is done in almost every case unless somebody needs an excuse to dumb down a US weapon .. geeze louise if you want to get into C&C, radios, and doctrine of use, Axis Arty is going to take a BIG HIT..
I am not concerned with other nations and how they are represented in the game .. typically somebody finds something, posts a reference and changes get made ..
It is only US Arty that after 3 years of posting changes has not been changed to reflect real world capabilities, and it is only US Arty that I have it straight from the OOB folks at matrix that is dumbed down deliberately to balance the game .. public posts about how it wouldn't be fun if it was done correctly abound , emails about why the 4.5 inch rockets were deliberately over sized to slow reloading as a condition of putting them in the game . Deliberately making US and German 105 Hows identical , and deliberately making US 4.2 inch mortars less effective than the 120mm despite the warhead being significantly larger , because it would be to hard to explain , and trying to keep the game "fair and Balanced " ( I didn't just make up that phrase ) and to make the game fun ect .. even the BS about to much HE in a Arty round makes the fragments too small and less effective .. thats real stuff from Matrix OOB Gurus. US 75mm Hows in Scott's and Amtrac's are direct fire only , only because the German 75mm kurz is direct fire only .. it is no secret that their primary function was indirect fire support.. and what is behind the M3 SP 75's having 2 versions one direct, one indirect , what other SP in the game gets that treatment.
US 4.5's got put in the game at the height of the Wulfram abuse complaints .. Lets just understand how that went .. Wuflies are a direct fire engineering assulat vehicle , but everybody was using them as indirect fire .. something they didn't have sights for .. they are just a wooden/ metal crate / launcher hung on the outside on a 251 fired by dismounted troops remotely .. but lets just ignore that little detail that they are NOT indirect fire weapons in reality, but to get US Rocket launchers in the game it was decreed solely as a "Fair and balanced " issue that they and the Brit Land Matresses would have real scaled back reloading capabilities. There is a conspiracy , and a prejudice aganist arty in SPWAW from the guys that control the game development, it is not a secret , you all have heard the " it wouldn't be fun" quotes .. it just so happens that the US Arty is the best/ strongest / most modern caliber for caliber and it has been reduced to the lowest common denominator ( usually the Germans unfortunately) as a matter of policy. Yes I am fighting that policy .. the Guys at matrix that control the OOB's will not listen to any of this and will not change any of this ...btw WP is not hard to do .. you just make the weapon class "napalm " you can't have HE and WP in the same unit , but you can have a WP 4.2 Mortar or even a WP 105mm off board like they do with so many specialty rounds in other SP versions like minelettes ect.
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