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RhinoDad -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 1:53:00 PM)
quote: Many of those men took reduction in rank to go voluntarily to the front lines. People often were hungry to get to the front lines and see some action, but this enthusiasm tended to die down down once they saw what action was. Did not realize how nice, unloading supplies, what ever was to what one went through in heavy combat. The merchant marine in Pacific which were kept out of war zone were always talking about wishing they could see some action, kill "Japs". They were always on the look out for souvenirs, teeth/bones, helmets, guns, flags, etc. so they could show the people back home what they got from the "Jap" they killed. Lots of money to be made in trade with them. You can generally tell those that have experienced heavy combat from those who have not. It changes them for life, and not in a good way. (Joe, Not directly responding to your post)(No, I do not refer to Japanese as that and believe it to be rather pejorative)

Randy Stead -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 6:00:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RhinoDad quote: ORIGINAL: Ambassador quote: ORIGINAL: RhinoDad quote: ORIGINAL: Ambassador quote: ORIGINAL: RhinoDad It is fun to see and use ships you knew someone on or an Admiral you met. All the ships my father was on are in the game except YP-518. Strange thing is if ship is sunk when my father was on board, I get this irrational bad feeling. Unless it is one of the ones he was sunk on then it is just a, “well I know he made it off okay”. He has been on several sinking ships ? Yes, USS California, Pearl Harbour; USS Lexington, Coral Sea; YP-518, island landing not sure which one; and a couple destroyers but the names slip me at this moment. I’m not sure he’s to be considered as lucky or unlucky ! He called it unlucky. Always went from one fire to the next. Ended up with 17 battle stars from that one and all over scars for his efforts. In the opening of Patton movie where Patton says you would not want tell your kids you shoveled s*** in Louisiana, my father looked at me and said I would have preferred that. What they don't point out in the movie was that the speech was given in 1944, I think in September, and I believe to a Negro tank battalion. Considering what most of those soldiers did, they preferred what they actually did do. Patton wanted reinforcements and that was what was left. They actually were highly trained and did very well. During the Battle of the Bulge, some American infantry units were hard pressed and heard some troops moving in. They thought that the Germans were moving in but when they saw the soldiers' natural deep tans, they knew that they were not Germans. Many of those men took reduction in rank to go voluntarily to the front lines. One platoon reinforcing a depleted infantry company. They earned the respect of their new comrades, which helped things after the war. I once saw a documentary with one of the black veterans of an armoured unit. Was there only the one all back armoured unit? This old fellow was recalling one event which he would never forget. He saw an injured black soldier on the ground in an exposed position. A white soldier ran over in an attempt to save him and was killed. He said he was dumbstruck seeing that, a white man losing his life for a black soldier. I knew an old black man from Indiana who lived in Toronto in his later years. I did some casual labour for him and he shared a few stories. He spoke of Patton saying, "I don't give a GD what colour you are, as long as you go up that hill and kill those Kraut SOBs."

BBfanboy -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 6:02:58 PM)
In a war doc on TV there was film footage of a US sub approaching a Japanese pilot in the water to fish him out. The pilot pulled the pin on a grenade and blew himself up, but he could have thrown it at the sailors on the deck of the sub. Between soldiers and swimmers trying to kill the men seeking to render aid, the US servicemen were pretty much forced to treat Japanese wounded or floating as continuing threats. The only Japanese I saw surrendering on film were those who practically stripped naked before the GIs would let them approach - and they could have been Korean laborers judging by the lack of field kit and uniform badges.

RhinoDad -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 6:46:14 PM)
quote: I once saw a documentary with one of the black veterans of an armoured unit. Was there only the one all back armoured unit? 758th Armoured 761st Armoured 784th Armoured 92nd an 93rd infantry quote: This old fellow was recalling one event which he would never forget. He saw an injured black soldier on the ground in an exposed position. A white soldier ran over in an attempt to save him and was killed. He said he was dumbstruck seeing that, a white man losing his life for a black soldier. Sounds about right as the black soldier was generally treated with great derision by white soldiers and officers alike. It was said that often German prisoners were treated better than the coloured soldiers on the same side. It was not until the fight to hold the bridgehead over the rhine at Remagen that coloured and white fought side by side and only out of necessity to save a white unit. RangerJoe mentioned coloured soldiers coming in one of his posts. Coloured and whites were completely segregated. It was against military code for whites and blacks to serve side by side. Some black platoons were sent in as reinforcements to white units not as individual replacements. They were labeled as 5th platoon. 12th and 14th white Armoured divisions received some 5th platoon reinforcements. quote: I knew an old black man from Indiana who lived in Toronto in his later years. I did some casual labour for him and he shared a few stories. He spoke of Patton saying, "I don't give a GD what colour you are, as long as you go up that hill and kill those Kraut SOBs."

RangerJoe -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 6:53:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Randy Stead quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RhinoDad quote: ORIGINAL: Ambassador quote: ORIGINAL: RhinoDad quote: ORIGINAL: Ambassador quote: ORIGINAL: RhinoDad It is fun to see and use ships you knew someone on or an Admiral you met. All the ships my father was on are in the game except YP-518. Strange thing is if ship is sunk when my father was on board, I get this irrational bad feeling. Unless it is one of the ones he was sunk on then it is just a, “well I know he made it off okay”. He has been on several sinking ships ? Yes, USS California, Pearl Harbour; USS Lexington, Coral Sea; YP-518, island landing not sure which one; and a couple destroyers but the names slip me at this moment. I’m not sure he’s to be considered as lucky or unlucky ! He called it unlucky. Always went from one fire to the next. Ended up with 17 battle stars from that one and all over scars for his efforts. In the opening of Patton movie where Patton says you would not want tell your kids you shoveled s*** in Louisiana, my father looked at me and said I would have preferred that. What they don't point out in the movie was that the speech was given in 1944, I think in September, and I believe to a Negro tank battalion. Considering what most of those soldiers did, they preferred what they actually did do. Patton wanted reinforcements and that was what was left. They actually were highly trained and did very well. During the Battle of the Bulge, some American infantry units were hard pressed and heard some troops moving in. They thought that the Germans were moving in but when they saw the soldiers' natural deep tans, they knew that they were not Germans. Many of those men took reduction in rank to go voluntarily to the front lines. One platoon reinforcing a depleted infantry company. They earned the respect of their new comrades, which helped things after the war. I once saw a documentary with one of the black veterans of an armoured unit. Was there only the one all back armoured unit? This old fellow was recalling one event which he would never forget. He saw an injured black soldier on the ground in an exposed position. A white soldier ran over in an attempt to save him and was killed. He said he was dumbstruck seeing that, a white man losing his life for a black soldier. I knew an old black man from Indiana who lived in Toronto in his later years. I did some casual labour for him and he shared a few stories. He spoke of Patton saying, "I don't give a GD what colour you are, as long as you go up that hill and kill those Kraut SOBs." Army Green trumps all other colours, or Marine green as well. I would believe that Patton would say that - except he would say "color" instead of "colour!" [;)] Yes, there were more than one armoured battalion manned by those with the natural, deep tans. I used that word because that was the word used at the time. [image]local://upfiles/52896/75D0AF3AB7894809A8B3D8A245449BD0.jpg[/image]

Randy Stead -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 7:01:07 PM)
I would believe that Patton would say that - except he would say "color" instead of "colour!" You know, I had a feeling someone would notice that. Except when you pronounce the word you don't hear the "u" anyway. But U heard it. [:D]

RhinoDad -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/29/2021 7:17:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Randy Stead I would believe that Patton would say that - except he would say "color" instead of "colour!" You know, I had a feeling someone would notice that. Except when you pronounce the word you don't hear the "u" anyway. But U heard it. [:D] Patton would say colour but would probably just spell it wrong. [:D]

rustysi -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/30/2021 3:51:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: bradfordkay Re-watch Das Boot to get an idea as to what "rattled" means for a submarine under depth charge attack. [;)] It means we're all getting a shot of whiskey afterwards. Not to mention clean shorts.[:D]

Alfred -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/30/2021 3:46:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy ...messages of subs being rattled by depth charges do exactly NO damage at all, you can have two dozen of these messages and your sub still has 0 sys 0 flt and 0 eng damage... How do you know the crew didn't fix any damage before the turn was finalised and you had an opportunity to examine the sub? Alfred

Alfred -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/30/2021 4:02:45 PM)
Threads that start off with game mechanics but then go off topic onto extended personal reminisces, do make it unnecessarily much more difficult than it should be to subsequently track down relevant threads to answer game mechanics questions. Back to the OP. Do not continue making the same mistake of treating AE as an exact representation of real life. It isn't. AE is full of abstractions. There are some 10 different text strings which the program can call up to provide colour. The text strings are separate from the "hit" algorithms, which in turn are separate from the "damage" algorithms. In short, displayed text strings are not a good indicator of the severity of damage cause, if any at all. Asterisks displayed with text strings are usually there to separate multiple text strings from each other. Alfred

Randy Stead -> RE: Sub rattled? (1/30/2021 4:27:21 PM)
Ah, thanks Alfred. I was thinking it was something to do with eye candy. However, in the short time I have been playing I am getting a feel for the messages that mean real damage was dished out: fuel oil leaking, debris field, underwater explosion and my favourite: sub forced to surface. I've seen two definite SSX kills and one definite on an SS which was destroyed when forced to surface. Sorry for contributing to the thread creep.

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