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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:26:15 PM)

Turn 5

My fighters close to those bombers. Must have gotten ahold of Speedy's vodka from his Soviet game ;-P

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:28:30 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Soviets attack

pocket Broken against the regiment. Regiments love to retreat. Soviets like to fatigue themselves in the attack ;-) Nice attack Bobo. Pocket in the North open.

Notice my horrid combat value devaluation :( GAH!

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:31:36 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Had to chuckle on this one. But just another precursor to taking this to intermediate level defense.

Armor and Mech raced 9 hexes to my line, attacked a regiment, and ran back to defense cover. LOLOLOL ;-) Nice

Notice my horrid combat value devaluation :( GAH!

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:38:25 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Center pocket opened 1 of 2

The Soviets did two attacks in conjunction to open this pocket. Not overly hard against regiments. At least my fighters here intercepted but at range for the interception.

Soviet run in attack and run back. At least they fatigue themselves. I do go out of my way to find those units when my line consolidates because they are easy candidates to attack if left on the front line.

Notice my horrid combat value devaluation :( GAH!

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:39:29 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Center pocket opened 2 of 2

2nd attack and pocket is open.

Notice again my horrid combat value devaluation :( GAH!

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:41:49 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Soviets interdict bomb

Soviets seem to be just out of range of my fighters for this. Oh well.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:44:18 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Soviet interdict bomb

Although the range is at the edge of my 109E and my 109F has ample range on the 3 squadrons at that airbase. I have to be doing something wrong not to intercept the Long Range bombers during the day or I am missing something with them. Probably something simple. Not a single interception on the 6 interdicted bombed hexes.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:53:11 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Pocket in South opened up

GD got overwhelmed and forced to retreat. At least my fighters intercepted here!!!!

Notice again my horrid combat value devaluation :( GAH! Bobo had 5 attacks against regiments and all 5 were successful :( My luck absolutely suxs.

Will just continue to move forward and just redo the pockets this turn on the 3 that were opened.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 3:53:46 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Air Losses


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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 4:02:16 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

Center Pocket

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 4:03:13 PM)

Turn 5 Beginning of Turn

South Pocket



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:04:20 PM)

Turn 5

Talked to a sage(someone wiser than me in WITE2) on the interception of the Soviet "Long Range Bombers". Makes sense on why some of my fighters aren't intercepting. Hopefully have the solution now if Crazy Ivan comes back on a mad hatter bombing trip now ;-)

Thank you Sage!!!



Zovs -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:05:21 PM)

So could you share the "secret" from the 'sage'?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:11:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zovs

So could you share the "secret" from the 'sage'?


Sure!!! I am sure he wont mind. If he does he definitely deserves the credit.

First I like to thank M60, "Thank you M60" whom gave this to me.

Quote; "Intercept missions are much less likely to take place in the air phase compared to the ground phase. During the air phase, think in terms of your planes on the ground ready to launch when the phone call comes in to take to the air. If the opposing enemy bombers only fly close to the edge of the battle area, they drop their bombs and are in safe airspace before your planes arrive. If the opposing planes fly deeper into your territory, the chance of a successful intercept improves accordingly.

Try setting up an AS mission in the area of your attacking spearheads to fly in the enemy phase. In effect what you are doing is placing fighters actually into that area when the enemy arrives."

Thanks M60!



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:39:39 PM)

Turn 5

Air Phase

Bobo LOVES to transport troops around ;-) Maybe some AS missions for these too.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:47:15 PM)

Turn 5

Air Phase

Going to be awhile on the air phase since I have mass movements of Fighters, bombers, and recon aircraft this turn everywhere except the Odessa area since those planes are in place for Naval interdiction. I have to think things out for Ground Support for random Soviet attacks on my regiments, also where my Air Superiority needs to be at. What to recon. I do want the center to link Center and South so that is my focus this Air phase. Everywhere else is just an additional nicety to what Army Group Center accomplishes . Also have to set up all my Naval interdiction this turn.

I love doing this but hate it at the same time. Should be done later tonight with the air phase :(



MechFO -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:52:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 5

Air Phase

Bobo LOVES to transport troops around ;-) Maybe some AS missions for these too.

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He lost 27 tanks while air transporting?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 5:59:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MechFO


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 5

Air Phase

Bobo LOVES to transport troops around ;-) Maybe some AS missions for these too.

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He lost 27 tanks while air transporting?


Ya, Bobo loves to move units out of pockets with his Air transportation. He did it to me earlier in this game with an Inf Division I had surrounded. I am assuming he did the same thing here with either an Armor or Mech division under a certain ToE. Thus the tank losses. I am assuming he took it from #1 and flew it to #2. Now that I am privy to what M60 shared with me I am reorganizing my whole Axis air force to bring up all my fighters to lay down AS's. They all won't be in place this turn but will by turn 7. I have been just too lazy on doing this. Going to take this serious now.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 6:01:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


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ORIGINAL: MechFO


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 5

Air Phase

Bobo LOVES to transport troops around ;-) Maybe some AS missions for these too.

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He lost 27 tanks while air transporting?


Ya, Bobo loves to move units out of pockets with his Air transportation. He did it to me earlier in this game with an Inf Division I had surrounded. I am assuming he did the same thing here with either an Armor or Mech division under a certain ToE. Thus the tank losses. I am assuming he took it from #1 and flew it to #2. Now that I am privy to what M60 shared with me I am reorganizing my whole Axis air force to bring up all my fighters to lay down AS's. They all won't be in place this turn but will by turn 7. I have been just too lazy on doing this. Going to take this serious now.

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Plus come to think about it, should not an Armor or Mech "not" be transportable considering all the heavy tanks? Any expert can comment on this? Please. Or they lost all of their equipment to be transportabale...



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 6:09:00 PM)

Turn 5

Air Phase

This is my mess I currently have that I care to show. Will get the Rumanians better engaged & bring up the Hungarians & Slovakians too. That way I will have all in my arsenal for use. Gotta stop half-assing things in the game :(

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Kosciuszko -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 6:17:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Plus come to think about it, should not an Armor or Mech "not" be transportable considering all the heavy tanks? Any expert can comment on this? Please. Or they lost all of their equipment to be transportabale...


The manual states that should there be elements in the division which cannot be airlifted, said elements will be redistributed to units in the vicinity according to need, otherwise returned to pool.

Which makes me wonder which Elements exactly are liftable and which are not, and what happens to equipment that gets left inside a pocket. Returned to pool? A local pool maybe? Turned to freight?

So many questions still about this game ...



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 6:23:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kosciuszko


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Plus come to think about it, should not an Armor or Mech "not" be transportable considering all the heavy tanks? Any expert can comment on this? Please. Or they lost all of their equipment to be transportabale...


The manual states that should there be elements in the division which cannot be airlifted, said elements will be redistributed to units in the vicinity according to need, otherwise returned to pool.

Which makes me wonder which Elements exactly are liftable and which are not, and what happens to equipment that gets left inside a pocket. Returned to pool? A local pool maybe? Turned to freight?

So many questions still about this game ...


Yes, all very good points!!! Bobo did open the pocket that we think he did this on. But not certain. Maybe someone like Loki or another can shed some more light on this.



loki100 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 6:36:47 PM)

its never been fully defined, so I'd apply a common sense test. If it can walk (& isn't say a camel) then it can get on a plane and fly out.

I'd suspect a more precise answer may lurk in the editor, I guess there is a code against each element that captures this point?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 6:44:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: loki100

its never been fully defined, so I'd apply a common sense test. If it can walk (& isn't say a camel) then it can get on a plane and fly out.

I'd suspect a more precise answer may lurk in the editor, I guess there is a code against each element that captures this point?


Thank you Loki!




821Bobo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 8:04:12 PM)

I airlifted cav div but it smells like bug, those destroyed tanks were German.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 9:10:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

I airlifted cav div but it smells like bug, those destroyed tanks were German.

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OMG!!!!!!!!



loki100 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 9:23:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
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OMG!!!!!!!!


I have a disturbing image of just how Robert's air mobile cavalry destroyed those tanks ...



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/22/2021 10:23:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: loki100


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
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OMG!!!!!!!!


I have a disturbing image of just how Robert's air mobile cavalry destroyed those tanks ...


Do I really want to see this?.... Ok show it.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/23/2021 4:11:29 PM)

Turn 5

Air Phase

Didn't get to finish my air phase because the wife wanted to go out for dinner, so I complied. Always nice to get away from the wifes cooking from time to time. So I complied. Been a bit busy with work today & have another conference call at 1:30 but should be able to have some ground attack game late this afternoon, I hope. Might have to go shopping with the wife so playing by ear :( But anyway, still doing the Air Phase but wanted to bring out a few things on my thinking process. First one is Odessa then the North

Odessa

Currently this is the situation on that part of the map. I currently don't have any Naval interdiction in place but putting it in place right now. BUT I did leave the hex to the NE, just like in WITE1, and the port to the NE open. If the attack succeeds any retreats should go to these two hexes then hopefully the two cities in blue. Not for certain about the retreat at all but would fit the pattern on retreats I have noticed. But if the attack doesn't succeed then I have the Naval interdiction is in place.



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/23/2021 4:13:20 PM)

Turn 5

Air Phase

I have learned pretty quick how to take a City-Fort and if you aren't prepared you aren't going to take it easily. I believe I will give it a try since I have the key ingredient in place to take it, CPP.

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