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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 3:54:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This is turn 10 losses, me as German, in my first Head to Head game in WITE2 in BETA. This was about 3 months ago & really didn't study the ground game at all. I had concentrated on 1st turn bombing LOL 2 years ago before leaving WITE1 for over a year and not really touching WITE2 at all except for the 1st turn air.

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There was a skill disparity here, even though your opponent had been doing Beta testing longer than you had. That individual was only into their second H2H game afaik, and actually performed better than the previous game.

The Smolensk-Moscow axis didn't get the defense it needed by the Soviet and all the reinforcements coming in from the SR each week had no prep points, and hence would only offer token resistance.


Yes, but I am just throwing numbers. It always boil down to the skill of each of the players. But the means deviation isn't much when comparing games unless the outlier of playing a higher/lower skillset.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 3:59:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This is turn 10 losses, me as German, in my first Head to Head game in WITE2 in BETA. This was about 3 months ago & really didn't study the ground game at all. I had concentrated on 1st turn bombing LOL 2 years ago before leaving WITE1 for over a year and not really touching WITE2 at all except for the 1st turn air.

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There was a skill disparity here, even though your opponent had been doing Beta testing longer than you had. That individual was only into their second H2H game afaik, and actually performed better than the previous game.

The Smolensk-Moscow axis didn't get the defense it needed by the Soviet and all the reinforcements coming in from the SR each week had no prep points, and hence would only offer token resistance.


Yes, but I am just throwing numbers. It always boil down to the skill of each of the players. But the means deviation isn't much when comparing games unless the outlier of playing a higher/lower skillset.


Now having said that if you take my two on-going games that are on turn 7 and turn 5 the loss rate for the Soviets looks to be coming out almost roughly the same amount of losses as the BETA game if the continuation continues.

Which both look likes it will.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:02:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
Yes, but I am just throwing numbers. It always boil down to the skill of each of the players. But the means deviation isn't much when comparing games unless the outlier of playing a higher/lower skillset.


There's a good deal of truth in that. at least in the early turns.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:02:52 PM)

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:04:13 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

AP Points saved to date, 120

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:14:57 PM)

I use all 120 points and spend them on leaders. Let see if they make a difference.

On the Bryansk front, LOL they are in Crimea, the first change is. Want that nice Admin rolls here.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:16:53 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

2nd leader change is the leader that was dismissed for doing such a horrid job @ Stavka. Maybe he can make a difference down here.

Yes I plan on defending the Crimea, HARD.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:19:01 PM)

Turn 10

Southern Front Leader changes.

1st one is;

This army is protecting the southern most land that touches the Sea of Azov

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:21:30 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Southern Front Leader hanges

This army is protecting behind Zap

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:22:50 PM)

Turn 10

43 Army's area

You can see 9ths area below 43rds area.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:25:44 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Crimea Area



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:29:37 PM)

Turn 10

Southwestern Front leader changes

First is 10th Army





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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:32:51 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

10ths Army area

****Please note**** That I cater my defense based on the player I am playing. Everyone has their own pattern ;-) Plus I have no problem intermixing fronts and units for numerous reason if you see me doing it.



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:34:34 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Southwestern Front Leadership change 2nd one is;



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:35:13 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

49th Army area of command

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:40:50 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Central Front

12th Army has been given to;

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:42:01 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Central Front

12ths Army frontage, lots of routed units so this area needed help.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:44:14 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Reserve Front

Hey, should have thought of this earlier for the snapshot, lol. 33rd Army front area & taken over by;

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:47:11 PM)

Turn 10 End of Turn

Independent Army attached to Stavka

Front area for the Army and the leader changed to.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:56:51 PM)

Turn 11

Weather!!!

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 4:57:27 PM)

Turn 11

Events!!!

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 5:03:46 PM)

Turn 11 Beginning of Turn

Crimea

No attacks in the Crimea area turn 11. I brought in 6 more divisions from Reserves this turn to just North of Sevastopol. Fort areas are progressing but not fast enough. I transferred in more Eng's to speed this up. Both Armies in the Crimea and the Front HQ has been flushed out with Artillery. Air power in the Area has 3 fighter groups, 1 SAD, 14 SAD, & 15 SAD and 1 bomber group, 6 SAD along with a Transport group.

Will bring in another Army and more reserves I believe depending on how the rest of the fronts look. Will take a harder look at everything on the map since I just got the turn to make that determination.

Yes, I have a "TON" of fighters and transports down here ;-) Told you I was defending HARD.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 5:08:32 PM)

Turn 11 Beginning of Turn

German seem to be set up to attack with 6 units. But.....

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 5:10:13 PM)

Turn 11 Beginning of Turn

There are some green triangles on the map and we all know what those mean, right?

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Aurelian -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 5:33:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 11 Beginning of Turn

There are some green triangles on the map and we all know what those mean, right?

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Thanos is coming?



Zovs -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 6:40:24 PM)

I think that the numbers do reflect a bit on the skill set. Keeping your losses lower or higher while inflicting lower or higher on the other is somehow related to skill. Also the numbers of captured to killed or disabled.

I guess what I am trying to get at is just an idea of where one would sit by certain turns. Just to give your self and others a gauge is what I was thinking or trying to find out.

Like the air war on turn one for example, prior to any ground movement and the AD selected, number of your losses and the number of the Soviet losses.

I guess the HWM and the SD are also a gauge as well?



carlkay58 -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 6:46:04 PM)

I try to maintain 200K Soviet losses/turn as the Axis vs the Soviet AI. I try to do the same against Human Soviet players but they run away too fast sometimes. :)

I definitely believe that the Sudden Death and Sudden Victory targets are good ones to gauge your performance with. They are also great planning guides as you seek to avoid the first and make the second.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 7:51:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aurelian


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 11 Beginning of Turn

There are some green triangles on the map and we all know what those mean, right?

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Thanos is coming?



Have to admit I have no "clue" who the hell Thanos is. So I had to look up. I am still lost :(



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 7:55:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zovs

I guess what I am trying to get at is just an idea of where one would sit by certain turns. Just to give your self and others a gauge is what I was thinking or trying to find out.



This statement Zovs is 100% true. I had way over 200+ games as Germans in WITE1 and figured out where the line would be based on the conglomeration of all those games. I used it as a yardstick. Granted I only did like 20ish games as Soviets but only after all of my German games. Therefor I had a pretty good idea where to start fighting.

Now in WITE2 I have no such knowledge but was able to piecemeal guess where that line would be. I will fine tune it in the future and based on opponent. But yes, your thinking is spot on ;-)



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Order of Victory Dodo98(G) vs HLYA(S) (4/29/2021 8:08:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I try to maintain 200K Soviet losses/turn as the Axis vs the Soviet AI. I try to do the same against Human Soviet players but they run away too fast sometimes. :)

I definitely believe that the Sudden Death and Sudden Victory targets are good ones to gauge your performance with. They are also great planning guides as you seek to avoid the first and make the second.


Ya, anything over 150k turns 2-7 is a blessing in my opinion. (I only reference Head-to-head games by the way)

I personally don't try and go for the turn 16 Sudden death as Germany now. I think the early Apr 42 is the best one to go for the win. Of course you have to keep the Red Army under control to do so ;-)



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