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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 4:09:22 PM)

T64 - Cauldron of War start

As predicted the Soviets are starting to overwhelm the Germans, encircling and isolating more units than the previous turn.

The chance to keep up a line slimmed sensibly I feel.

But we'll see what happens once I get to do the ground movements.

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 4:13:25 PM)

T64 - Leningrad Tango

On the other hand... for the first time I get to see Leningrad units in red too!

So the efforts elsewhere - and sacrifices of troops to hold a thin line - started to net results.

Ideally I am to capture the ports east of Leningrad fast and retreat from the Cauldron to a safer line!

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 4:18:13 PM)

T64 - Don River Bend & Stalingrad

Soviet forces intervened en mass, liberating the two trapped Rifle Division with ease and giving a savage pounding the an amount of German and Romanian formations.

The German logistics are ridiculously low there and your average Soviet Rifle Division has bigger numbers than most of the German formations.

September '42 started and the Soviets seem to be on the offensive more than the Germans in this turn!

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 4:27:29 PM)

T64 - Numbers Overview

Here the OOBs - the Soviets remained at that amount it seems whilst Axis lost some.

Though the numbers of understrenght units on map and isolated ones is worrysome on my end.

The 'Defend the Motherland' Event spells bad news to me as it will bring half million soldiers extra to the Soviets.
As previously said I'll check with the Stalingrad to Berlin scenario the numbers to see how would be the situation there at the start of that scenario to have an idea.

At territorial level I think roughly we're there. Leningrad is traded for Stalingrad and the 'Cauldron of War' appears a premature Stalingrad encirclement.

Ultimately I am not sure of the wisdom of the Leningrad move - as said Stalingrad has factories for 70 T34 a turn, I realized that late. Factories that do not get migrated away. So if they are seized, they're seized and destroyed once and for good.

For trucks I am clueless if that number is a good number or a bad number.

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 5:38:41 PM)

T64 - Of screwed logistics

This more than pertinent to the AAR is another point to underline that the logistic system needs fixing.

Here I am to detail the fate of the depot of Mozhaysk. That was a Priority 4 depot the previous turn, with a nice amount of freight stocked up! Almost 5000 Freight! And this turn, as it went down to Priority 3, it sent out Freight en mass. And received 0 even!

So - we learn that of that 5000 Freight nothing went to troops. There are no red lines connecting the depot to units right?

We've 2 White Lines, as per rail connections that moved the Freight to another depot.

What I wanted - and I believe it is logical - is that the freight went closer to the front, in Kubinka. 4 hexes of rail to the east. Certainly some sizeable enough railyard is in 30 hexes range to do that type of move!

BUT Quartermaster General AI decided that Kubinka had to receive freight from Berlin (If that was ontop of Mozhaysk's, no harm!) and Prague. So that traffic arrived in Mozhaysk (M in the future) and moved further east. 1725 Freight shipped to Kubinka.

Then the freight from M got split. Some was destined to the airbase designated to serve some airlift squadrons. Thus that one must be kept filled, certainly so. Alas the move was -westward- and further away from the front. Being already almost full, only 276 Freight was delivered to Vladimirskoe.

Excellent! (NOT) M. Freight goes further westward even, probably around Smolensk or Vitbesk and then takes a detour north, through Velike Luki ... or goes west first just to Vyazma and then north to roughly Rhzev, to then turn west... headed toward Germany or so. But it was an illusion. At Velike Luki or the like turns back to east. There, the detour ends, in Andreapol.

Where is the logic in that?

I tell you, there is no logic.

BUT there is also another problem.

MATH!

M. sent out 4651 Freight!
V. received 276. Andreapol 930. That to me mathes in 1206.

4651 - 1206 = 3445 Freight

Considering it has not been given to the units, and it does not appear as 'lost' ... has it disappeared?

Thanks god German logistics do not work and units are struggling.
Freight disappear into thin air.

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 6:33:09 PM)

T64 - Leningrad Tango

Had a dinner break - got back and started from Leningrad, where I ran the usual aerial dance but it seems needless.

The eastern Soviet lines buckled quickly to the German assaults - I believe in the mixed effects of the switch of troops that took place and the fact supplies are meager. Plus an amount of bruteforce was still applied.

I suspect the Russians will fall back quickly and establish a frontline between the Rybinsk Reservoir and Lake Beloe. At least that is probably what I am to do. It has a tradeoff though, keeping German lines extended too as well.

But I feel that with the ports in my control or at least sensibly damaged, I can start a reflux from the Cauldron.



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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 6:48:43 PM)

T64 - Cauldron of War, planning

Here I want to share with the audience what I intend to do / planned before to go to the execution.

So we know I started with Leningrad, now that I know of the result I believe I can start to deflux even if the Russians can gain one port back, that port should be quite damaged and its railroad is severed anyhow. I do not believe it can service Leningrad.

The first bit will be to free up the troops that are isolated.
The easy part are the Tank Corps. The 3-3 can be attacked from 2 more hexes from the south, so it really won't be a problem. The MOT divisions will be back to decent strength and can pound the two Tank Corps with quick attacks. The 2 unit stack has a HQ so I hope to relocate it away!

I will wait with the units trapped in the airfield - going to move them later. I've two options though. Plow through tank corps to the north for a counter isolation attempt (not guaranteed) or reflux back via the 'safe' pipeline of hexes that the tank corps occupy presently.

But to free them up these 3 units is not a problem, they're all supplied up as you can see they're a stack of -16- now that they're isolated.

Then I've the other bit to free up. The 20.20 Guard Corps is in the way and I'd gladly retreat it. Because I'd like to use the panzers there to hammer the 1-7 Rifle Division and the 5-5 Rifle Corp.

This is the southern plan.

Then we have the northern option. I tried that already the previous turn though and that 3-3 Cavalry Corp gave a beating to my Panzer division, so I am far from sure I should attempt the fortune there. That is the B plan in case the southern plan fails.

There are some Soviet units which are incognita nonetheless the whole spot is turning hot and hotter as per severely discomfortable for Germans. We're trading severe blows there, but it is known who has the strongest economy of the two nations!

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 7:10:53 PM)

T64 - Cauldron of War progress

The plan went smooth enough in general if it was not for that 1-7 Rifle Division ... that 8 delay you see on the map.
It has resisted well beyond my expectations to a mix of gradual German attacks. A deliberate one of Infantry Division + Regiment failed... then 2 hasty one were attempted and last a deliberate one with a panzer division destined to the corps in the next hex.

The corps instead routed right on the spot as soon as two panzer divisions made a hasty attack.

The delicate decision of where to head with my forces in the pocket now is pretty relevant. And may take some mulling in my head as I've a rose of options, but the wisdom in general suggests to safekeep troops. The national morale may be hammered by many of these units have a high experience level.

Though I admit I have the impression it is the Unit Morale that affects the CV, and not the Experience.

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loki100 -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 7:14:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AlbertN

T64 - Of screwed logistics
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I'm afraid much of this post is simply wrong - see the response in the tech support forum

fundamentally the red line shows the link to the depot that sent the most freight to that unit, a unit can claim freight from up to 4 depots.

as set out in the manual




AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 8:13:57 PM)

T64 - Cauldron of War

I had a PC issue, had to get back from a previous saved point.

Slightly different stuff in terms of delay but effect is the same for the liberation of the center piece.

The 7th Panzer is isolated - it got the 500+ Freight needed as planned but I suspect that unit is gone in 1-2 turns. I did a mistake there trying to have it open its path against the 46th Cavalry Division. It failed the sortie.

As anticipated in previous posts about Leningrad, with the ports there in my holding the main idea was to slip away. Even the 3 panzer / mot units in the central airfield retired. I took a new option though avoiding unknown variables - to hammer with them the weak units around - only 2 hexes as I checked each time the needed MP to get to relative safety.

From the north troops will be shifting with a deeper dilution to regiments in the zone not so important about Leningrad - where for at least the next turn still the Soviet forces will be at the end of their logistic shoestring. (Ultimately their logistic phase is before any movement, and their rail is still interrupted).



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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 8:36:55 PM)

T64 - Don River Bend

In the north of this sector I sinned of gluttony. Saw a Tank Corp and hammered it. Then saw 2 weak divisions and wanted to hammer then... and then found myself out of position.

A very idiotic move because I kind of saw 'red' like a bull and forgot that the Recon spotted Soviet tank forces (which for all I remember are Guard ones) at Stalingrad.

On the eastern side of the Don the situation is not pink either. German troops suffered a mauling.
In turn I managed to do nothing there to MSAG, except hitting a spent CAV corps and one of the two IDs that were isolated before, as it seemed weak.

To me it seems that the strategic initiative is already switching to the Russians.

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 8:46:59 PM)

T64 - Caucasus

The Soviets get frisky here too with cavalries but for now the local forces can well manage them.

With a panzer division at hand in reserve, and the 1st Romanian Mountain Division retrating a cavalry already that may send the message...

Nonetheless the 1st Panzer Army must move to the north to reinforce the staggering front of Stalingrad.
Indirectly I think the ports in the Caucasus and the pretty mighty railyards of Maikop and Krasnodar can help fuel more supply via the ports than else... but I may be well wrong there!

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/15/2021 9:16:04 PM)

T64 - Von Manstein Dismissal

Someone's in Berlin's not happy.

That new leader is not bad per sè but unsuited for armoured units ... clearly the timing is not the most appropriate considering where that panzerkorp is...

With its political rating of 9 it will be a pain in that place to replace the guy!

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 1:35:03 PM)

T65 - Cauldron of War

Overview of T65 - not going to post many Map-Screenshots as other sectors are ... relatively tranquil as of now or coverable in quick summary.

Astonishingly enough the 7th Panzer Division held the bunker in the north. I expected it to be destroyed with overwhelming force this turn.
I've gathered some Me323 there in the hope to air evacuate the division but I suspect the system does not allow something like 'ditch your panzers, save the men' procedure.

German troops got mauled some at the outskirts of the perimter. 2 regiments of infantry resisted an amount of attacks - but I then realized the Soviets went pretty light on them. The first attack was with just two Soviet Rifle Divisions. Only when arrived a Guard Cavalry Corp the two regiments buckled in and retreated off the airfield they were guarding.

Ultimately there is a 'snake' of German troops fighting their way back to their lines there now that the goal is accomplished.

Don River Bend: As predicted the Hungarian armoured unit and german motorized forces were obliterated with massive losses by superior Russian forces. Otherwise the Russians took a defensive posture and ceased their flank attack.

Leningrad: The Soviets took back the vacant port hex - but otherwise Leningrad is isolated. I am confident to be able to secure the port for good this turn. Then supposedly Leningrad will turn in a true matter of time.



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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 1:44:11 PM)

T65 - Victory Information

With the due premise that this is a 'No Early End' game.

Remembering for the readers that the game has been played up to end of May / start of June '42 with the 'Artillery Beta Patch, 2.06'. Then we adapted to the .08 for a handful of turns and now we're with the current released patch.

To get to the tally of 750 for the Auto-Win in a non earty end game the Germans should be in this type of situation AND have Leningrad and another objective (Tambov for instance).

It is not exactly as easy feat but it fits the bill of what may warrant an auto-victory.



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EwaldvonKleist -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 1:45:59 PM)

With the Me 323 you can take the APCs and the artillery with you: [image]https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/aircrafts/messerschmitt-me323-gigant/messerschmitt-me-323-gigant-ii-transport-01.jpg[/image]




AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 1:50:30 PM)

T65 - Turn Summary

This to me is what worries a lot.

Now, besides the man on map that are certainly boosted by the half million Soviets received last turn ...
The Axis are bleeding numbers like a gutted swine hanging head down from a tree. Tanks are definitely very brittle for the Axis I feel.

These numbers are the net difference between previous turn and current.

So it means that -ontop of production- across the board I am almost short of 200 AFV this turn compared to the previous one.

The supply situation is tenuous and may try to lower the supply requirements of the units as offensive operations are coming to a stop for the most. The Soviets are just too strong to be attacked besides molesting aggressions all across the board except Leningrad sector for obvious supply shortage reasons.



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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 2:25:08 PM)

T65 - Leningrad Tango

I've yet to decide if to start a first assault on Leningrad perimeter this turn but right now I am more inclined at waiting one more turn considering Chevropets held out still.

@Edward: Panzer and Motorized divisions cannot be airlifted. They're just not among the options so I assume that seals the fate for good of the 7th Panzer Division.

The port was taken again BUT I cannot advance into it.
The single Soviet Corp defending it resisted to the two infantry divisions going at it. I expected a cheap fight as that Corps had only a nominal CV of 1 before terrain modifiers.

Despite that the Corps resisted the infanteries, with typical show of how a defender can be tenacious here. Not only the artilleries were amazingly better for Soviet end, but even the Soviet troops fought many times better than the Germans.

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Jango32 -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 2:35:46 PM)

Have you run naval interdiction in your air phase? If not, and they reoccupy the port, I think Leningrad will lose its isolated status next turn.




AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 2:37:21 PM)

T65 - Hasty Attack sample

This is the first Hasty attack (Second one was deliberate by the Panzer Division in heavy woods that by itself was weaker than the 2 Infantry divisions).

The screenshot shows also the 2 Infantry Division AFTER the attack (so they've got extra fatigue and hits by now).

The Soviet Corps was shown as 1-10 on the map, and a Corps with -1- as first number means it is very, very weak.
You can also see the experience of the German troops - which is not little.
Commander is your average German guy.

A Soviet corps at the end of a tenuous supply lines has defending infantries shooting over 10 times better than your German veterans.

Soviet 82 MM mortarts are 8 times more precise than German ones, supposedly manned by less experienced crews.

This is why I sustain the concept that present combat system advantages defender exceedingly AND undervalues quality of troops by a far shot.

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 3:40:47 PM)

T65 - 7th Panzer Holdout

This is for comparison sake.

Isolated, and at 6-7 distance range from HQ (so minor penalty on rolls) and with limited supplies, the 7th Panzer holds out.
In truth due to the Air Supply the unit counts as Isolated only in my turn but not in Soviet turn (it will still surrender though and not rout out).

To keep in mind, that is a quality unit with Ground Elements ranging from 75 to almost 90 of experience.

The Soviet attack is quite lightweight to be hitting a Urban City frankly, for what I remember I had to hit Cities with excess of forces (still because of air supply).

Nonetheless - look at how get 88 Experienced Motorized Squads here hit at 2.6 HPE... (but above the ... I assume 50ish experience Soviet Rifle Squads '42 hit at 1.92).

Defending artilleries goes ballistic! 27 and 30 HPE here when defending, whilst attacking (and comparable in experience roughly - actually these guns in the 11th Infantry Division above have better experience by 1-2 points than the ones in the 7th Panzer) there is a struggle to reach the 1 HPE! (Actually 0.75 and 0.5 pretty much)

Now I do understand that the attacker moves out of own positions and have to get to the defender. And thus the defender is entitled to some bonuses / added firing chances.

Here the Soviets were also doing a deliberate attack. I believe though the Soviet troops were not exactly top notch or tier, around Chevropets there are a bunch of 1 CV for attack value except 1 Rifle Division (which I believe is the one with 68 value in the battle).



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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 3:58:53 PM)

T65 - Cauldron Fights

@Jango32: Excursus, I've not ran Air Interdiction because I was confident to take the Port. I've taken it just was not able to move into it. But to attack a hex converts the ownership already. Thus by when the Soviets hit their logistic phase, the port there is in German hands and Leningrad will be isolated, barring air supply.

Down below you can see the bloodied nose the Russians got.
Note the Germans are quality / elite units, but also in open plains.

Do I feel the combat wrong? In the final terms, not really. (Maybe the 23 destroyed AFV I feel wrong...) But it is known I feel the Soviets too strong. Here I am making a point about game mechanics.

These troops seem ... pretty inept at fighting despite being Guard Rifle Corps. (Given historically 'Guards' were not elite troops but troops that accomplished something, were given a nice title and in general had -priority- on replacement and equipment, but that is entirely another tale. The fact itself they get 'promoted' does not mean that the personnel was selected out of physical qualities, limited age range, specialized / longer training or else.)
The streak of Russians 0 or 0.x is huge.
On the other hand the defenders simply ... fire optimally even by being in Clear Terrain, with no fortification or emplacement.

That goes above and beyond my opinion that in general Russians should no go toe to toe in '42 with panzers or the like in open field... and that infantries attacking mobile forces in open grounds should not have an easy life when the mobile forces know how to operate well... (At this stage of the war the German units would have simply exploited their superior mobility to ovewhelm at bits and bobs the clumsy Russian forces advancing in fair weather and clear skies in open plains).

What comes next? The counterattack!

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 4:14:28 PM)

T65 - Cauldron Battles

Now pratically the same forces that previously attacked got counterattacked during my turn by an amount of Germans.

To keep in mind:

The Soviet troops accrued fatigue point by the previous combat. Lost some elements and others were damaged.
German troops lost fatigue due to their logistic phase being there, and some gained fresh replacements.

The Russians still got 1 level of fortification.

Somehow out of 98 German AFV involved in the combat only ... 25 figure out? (Check the top left!)
You got it right, all 98 fought, BUT 70ish panzers hit absolutely 0, in a deliberate attack, in clear terrain!


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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 4:22:29 PM)

T65 - Cauldron Battle, let's see these panzers that miss!

Now when I expand the view, by clicking the 'VIEW ALL' option down below all the almost 100 AFVs are there.

Actually I count ... 57 and not 98. First mystery for me. I've selected only AFVs as you can see in the bottom checker box...

So I am not sure why I've 98 AFV ... I believe they should be tracked all 98, even if some can be halftracks of the Flak type (Albeit are they AFVs?)

Nonetheless, the numbers here are for everyone to see.

It is the same formations and pratically similar leadership as before (Manstein got reinstated in charge but there are units from Hube and company too).

The difference in performance when attack / defend is quite insane for my perspective.

And in general Germans are quite inept when on the attack. Their pride, the Panzers ... are virtually useless in an open attack against Clear Terrain, in Good Weather...

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 4:51:51 PM)

T65 - Caucasus

Exploring Romanian cavalry discover enemy building in a sector deemed tranquil. So tranquil I've not even performed air recon.

In truth I was preparing myself in a quick probe in that direction and instead I see the enemy is just right there.

Alas most of the panzers just arrived in zone and are in wait for refuelling, except one division that was the local reserve before... I wanted to punish the 2 Cavalry Divisions in front but ... they may be tip of iceberg instead!

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Stamb -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/16/2021 5:22:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlbertN

T65 - Cauldron Battle, let's see these panzers that miss!

Now when I expand the view, by clicking the 'VIEW ALL' option down below all the almost 100 AFVs are there.

Actually I count ... 57 and not 98. First mystery for me. I've selected only AFVs as you can see in the bottom checker box...


Maybe missing ones are damaged?

quote:

ORIGINAL: AlbertN
The difference in performance when attack / defend is quite insane for my perspective.

I feel the same.




AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/19/2021 1:20:10 PM)

T67 Start - Cauldron of War

In T66 little happened, the Germans were slipping away and performed a minor encirclement of the Soviet wedge; and the Soviets (during their T65) stormed Chevropets but the 7th Panzer held out.

During my T66 I still air supplied the 7th Panzer but the Soviet AA in the way exacted its toll (mostly damaging) a lot of the Luftwaffe frail planes compared to the flying fortresses that are the Li-2.

The Soviets hammered hard the 7th Panzer, having finally brought heavy hitters and forcing it to buckle. It was turns and turns it was holding out on its own, and most of its elements were damaged already.

I noticed two German Stug Battallions / Batteries were lost and ... they're not being created anew and I cannot understand why.

Also like an ignorant person of the rules, I've 'wasted' 3 of my Panzer Replacement battallions by attaching them to Panzer Divisions. I thought they act like normal SU, BUT Panzer Divisions automatically absorb them during their next logistical phase! It is detailed in the manual so my own fault there, I thought I had to manually merge them.
It simply means I've to 'panzerize up' motorized divisions or so where they endure as regular SU.

The German forces are mostly depleted and sapped there as you can see by some numbers. Stacks of 3 divisions worthy 6 CV or divisions worthy 2 CV and not the most promising outlook for the coming winter.

Soviet forces retreated though, I believe their own strategic goal was achieved - to repel the Germans; and they are as exhausted as the Germans.



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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/19/2021 1:25:01 PM)

T67 - Leningrad Stasis

Here Leningrad situation.
I've not even tried to assault it yet.
The numbers despite multiple turns of complete isolation have not dropped by a lot.

Axis has secured the ports so by now the only 'viable' way is air supply. Which is doable aplenty as we know.
The Luftwaffe has rested well by now without a need to fly. I am caressing the idea to do some Ground-Attack(Unit) to soften up the defenders but ... I am somehow skeptical it may well help.

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AlbertN -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/19/2021 2:00:03 PM)

T67 - General Situation

I feel by now the Offensive Time has overstretched my forces.
The 'Cauldron of War' fight syphoned in almost all the mobile forces of the sector - having left only 2 Panzer Divisions in reserve at the Tambov sector, and 1 Panzer and 1 Motorized that operated around Leningrad.

That ruling out the 1st Panzerarmee known to be in the Caucasus and 2 Motorized divisions and 2 Hungarian Armour that were spent between Voronhez operations and Don River Bend.

Winter will be coming imminently or heavy mud and in some places logistics are stretched.
The whole Don River Bend seems a massive trap right now BUT at the same time it is the largest physical obstacle between me and the Russians.

That in the assumption I wish to try to keep Maikop for the oil sake - and I believe it should be done so as I feel it needs to get a good fix to the game, that oil is needed and resources too - and that if Germany keeps them because 'reasons' (Soviets may launch offensive elsewhere too) the Germans should have extra production or so. Exactly as my own deciding not to take Stalingrad gives 70 T34 extra a turn to the Soviets just because I've gone for Leningrad..

At the same time I am reluctant to pull back because ... there is no other real line except small rivers.

That is ever relative to the logistics though. There is a HUGE chunk of territory without rail network there, that would rely on trucks. In clear and fair weather it is something. In blizzard and snows it's entirely different.
And frankly despite the supposed improved logistics, my troops are getting roughly the same freight as '41.

For the 'Cauldron of War' it seems easier. There are no meaningful strategic targes closeby except a resource hub that can be easily included in a thinner perimeter. And that is served by the railroad so ... not a logistic nightmare. But a shortening of the front there is planned.

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MSAG -> RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG (12/20/2021 11:54:10 AM)

SOVIET COMMENTS CONTINUED

LATE SPRING & SUMMER 42
In many respects the period April-June 42 is the bleakest for Soviet player. After the winter respite one has to get used to constant Axis qualitative advantage again. While Axis seem to be able to recover supply- and morale- wisely rather quickly, the 45 NM level hurts Soviets a lot.

My situation assessment in May
Due to heavy losses to date the Soviet army was of a modest size (briefly reaching 5M before spring operations commenced), with many units at or below 60%. That coupled with low morale makes the defence of any position very difficult. That already has been shown to me during winter – with both Leningrad and Moscow defence lines breached numerous times.

Enemy intensions – big unknown (in April)
The question was – would AlbertN go for the southern push (Stalingrad and/or oil in Caucaus) or would he try to follow through with Leningrad and/or Moscow. After rational (though slightly fatalistic I have to admit) reflection I decided that if he really commits to any of them – there is nothing I can do to really prevent it (perhaps with notable exception of Moscow due to supply). I could make reaching objective difficult but probably could not stop it.
After accepting the above I decided that as long as I keep the army intact I can survive Axis success and aim at role reversal in 43. Perhaps loss of the oil fields in Baku could affect fuel production and Soviet war making capabilities going forward but Baku is truly very far for Axis to reach.

Force Management
Getting ready for the summer campaign I started to create the stronger units – Cav Corps and Guards Rifle Corps. Due to very low number of Guard infantry units I used Airborne Brigades conversion to make a core of a dozen GRCs.
I also reversed a little the Theater Box approach. During 41 I tried to pack the side Theatres with individually weaker units (mainly Rifle Brigades) in order to bring over the more experienced, 100% TOE divisions to the front. Now I started to send again the Rifle Divisions to Transcaucasus and Far East, bringing the Brigades back. They are to be used as a “mobile” reserve to be attached to the Urban/City forts and to individual Rifle Divisions in the hot sectors.
Also, in order to optimize resources, I disbanded some less needed units – heavy artillery regiments and some construction battalions and even regiments to free the manpower which seems to be the my real bottleneck now (some may rise question the wisdom of disbanding of the heavy artillery units now, but imho it makes sense because (1) HW goes to the pool – I can use it back, (2) heavy artillery production is limited for Soviets during the war so it is rather prudent NOT to use it when loosing battles is likely due to losses).
I am more conservative with creation of the Tank formations. I have not reached the limit of the Tank Corps yet. The time for it will come later in the year when Mech Corps become available and when I can fill the SU slots in them.
Sources of (limited) optimism
National Morale level change. As of July 1st 1942 NM goes up from 45 to 50 and at the same time the German one goes down from 75 to 70. It may not sound like much, but after couple of months (needed for readjustment, because NM can be seen as “equilibrium” level) Soviet units make a big leap towards closing the quality gap.
I was also very hopeful on Axis vehicle losses. 120K+ losses before the beginning of the summer. I thought I saw lower numbers on some AARs. In retrospect my hopes were misplaced I think. If the vehicle shortages affected Axis operations I cannot say.

Operations
At the end of June Albert decided to use his airforce more aggressively. I left the ground support “on” before the end of the turn … and my carefully husbanded air assets suffered 35% losses during 1 week (4300 planes!) effectively crippling my ability to use it more actively for foreseeable future.
Albert executed the summer offensives skilfully and to great extent successfully. In a matter of weeks my forces were defending directly urban hexes of Leningrad and Moscow. I believe that Albert have not reached Stalingrad because he decided not to do so.
If there was any reason for me for at least a little optimism – it was his force dispersion. Simultaneous attacks on Leningrad, Moscow, Voronezh and Novorossiysk. Progress was made on all fronts – that speaks a lot about the sorry state of my forces (and my skill level I am afraid). But his forces were divided and to a great degree out of immediate support distance.
I was pushing back where I could. Cutting off the spearhead of the offensive was possible, using the newly formed Tank Corps and cavalry. I was not strong enough to keep them surrounded for more than a week (necessary condition if one wants to make them surrender) but I managed to rout a few divisions here and there.
Not all counterattacks were worth it. The failed attempt in the very south caused the “counter-surrounding” of 10 divisions on the plains and fatally weakened my defence of Novorossiysk, Maikop and Krasnodar.

Leningrad debacle
I was not happy about having the Leningrad cut off but was not despairing – the supply stockpiles in the city are significant and I was sure I can disrupt the air blockade every few turns to send more. The whole setup depends on having the Ladoga ports open and the Volkhow-Tikhvin rail line operational.
Honestly I was expecting Albert to focus on air blockade. The terrain there benefits defender big time. Instead he kept pushing! I was feeding more forces there and felt confident that it should be possible to keep the ports open when disaster struck! Axis push around the Rybinsk Reservoir in August broke the front and the deep penetration cut the Volkhov rail line! Luckily, sensing trouble, my reserves, including elite 16th Army (3 Guards Rifle Corps and 2 Guards Cavalry Corps) were already moving into the area. I managed to cut off more than 10 mobile divisions at some stage. But Albert had reserves himself! After the chaotic battle only one (7th) Panzer Division was forced to surrender.
Now the rail line is open again but damage is done. Benefitting from supply crisis that befall on my forces in the north Albert managed to capture all the ports! The only supply possibility now is by air.

Overall Situation as of end of September
The Soviet Army managed to survive. Its OnMap strength slowly increases (4.8M now) Autumn rains are coming soon and some slowdown should help in further buildup. New equipment production and LL deliveries start to be felt.
Strategically, with notable exception of Leningrad blockade I think we are well positioned. I am really looking forward to 1943!




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