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carlkay58 -> RE: T06 (1/23/2022 7:19:02 PM)

T06 Air Losses:

The air war is heating up. My starting to use Ground Support has definitely put the pressure on the VVS. The LW is losing aircraft and this turn is the first where the Air Combat losses are the majority for both sides. The Axis lost almost 300 aircraft to air combat but the VVS lost over 900. I will have to monitor this to see if the LW is losing its edge due to losses.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T06 (1/23/2022 7:19:31 PM)

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carlkay58 -> T07 (1/24/2022 1:43:21 PM)

T07 OOB:

The Soviets still have 3.2M men at this time. Hopefully the new pockets will get them below the 3M mark.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:43:52 PM)

T07 Production:

Everything is looking good here but the Vehicles in Pool are now below 10K. Another 6K of vehicles raise the Repair Pool to 41K.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:44:21 PM)

T07 Freight:

Things are beginning to tighten on the freight side as the surplus shrinks to 3K. 18th, 16th, 9th, and 2nd Armies are not receiving enough supplies. Some of this is their Supply Priorities of 2. The PGs are all priority of 4 while the infantry armies are at 2.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:44:47 PM)

T07 Trucks:

Things are looking pretty stable from last turn with many of the same numbers.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:45:16 PM)

T07 Soviet Attacks:

The Soviets have begun to counterattack. They are able to force retreats in half the battles. I will have these shown on the Supply Net maps later in the AAR. The heaviest concentration of attacks were to try and relieve the pocket in the south but the single retreat in that area does not come close to opening the pocket and the rest of the attacks were held.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:45:50 PM)

T07 Air Phase:

Just some minor Recon adjustments, the Naval Patrol and Ground Support directives remain the same. The results are close to the same as previous turns with 44 aircraft lost.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:48:04 PM)

T07 Supply Net North:

The lines are still too long but the sources are getting closer to the front.


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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:48:57 PM)

T07 Supply Net South:

You can see that the center of the Axis front in the Pripyet Marshes is definitely under supplied with all of the long supply traces. The single line rail from Rumania is definitely supplying the majority of AGS but so is most of the forces.


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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:54:09 PM)

T07 Supply Details:

Berlin ships out 36K, Prague ships out 96K, and Vienna ships out 97K for a grand total of 229K shipped out. This is only a slight increase over last turn's 226K.

Warsaw received 8.5K and has 8.9K stored. Lvov adds 5.4K to store 14.8K. Minsk added 4.1K and has stored 387 but is still supplying the front line. Daugavpils added 3.2K but has none stored yet. Smolensk will be the next large depot to track but it is not yet added to the supply net.

Looking at some of the first depots setup we find the following. Kaunus receives 5.1K and has stored 16.2K which is 81% of its max of 20K. Vilnius receives 4.7K and has 9.1K stored. Brest Litovsk receives 6.3K to store 20.9K which is 37% of its max with AGC HQ there. So you can see that these depots are getting about the same freight that depots closer to the front are receiving and are starting to stockpile the surplus closer to the front. This will come into play and importance when the weather worsens.




carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:54:46 PM)

T07 AGN:

18th Army is advancing along the shores of the Gulf of Finland. 16th Army isolates Pskov. 4th PG has broken through the Soviet defenses in several places and pours through. The 4th PG FBD is coming back north working on the double rail running northwest from Vitebsk.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:55:24 PM)

T07 AGC:

2nd and 4th Army are protecting the southern flank of AGC. 9th Army is helping cover the northern flank. The 3rd PG has one corps helping advance the 9th Army in the Velikie Luki area and the other corps helping explode through the hole that the 2nd PG has been able to keep producing to the east. A panzer division from 3rd PG reaches the outskirts of Orel. 2nd PG has formed one pocket and threatened most of the rest of the Soviet defensive line.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:55:54 PM)

T07 AGS:

In order to keep the 1st PG advancing the Rumanians and 11th Army combine to try and eliminate the pocket as quickly as possible. It is not completely reduced but it does free up the 1st PG to continue driving east, forming two more smaller pockets and threatening further pockets to the north. 6th Army has reached the outer defenses at Kiev.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:56:30 PM)

T07 Ground Losses:

The Soviets lost another 300K men this turn bringing their total losses to 1.8M. I only lost 31 AFVs during the turn showing how little fighting my panzers have needed to do while still penetrating deep into the Soviet territory.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:56:54 PM)

T07 Air Losses:

These are a bit more dire. I lost 740 aircraft this turn, 313 to air combat while the Soviets lost only 651. The LW will not be able to sustain this loss rate for very long. I will have to rethink things about Ground Support, or maybe leave it turned off for the majority of the turn.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/24/2022 1:57:46 PM)

T07 Files:




Hardradi -> RE: T07 (1/25/2022 7:34:21 AM)

Your the depot spam king. [:D]

One question, what are your thoughts on Depot capacity, specifically how much of a driver is it with regards to pushing around freight?

Obviously if a depot exceeds its capacity the freight will travel elsewhere. For most of us and our depots this is not the case.

Eg, if you have two depots all things being equal (distance from supply source, single track rail lines, same distance to units wanting supply, etc) as follows:

a) Level 1 railyard, capacity 10,000. Priority set to level 4.
b) Level 2 railyard, capacity 20,000. Priority set to level 4.

Does more supply go to b) or is it equal?



loki100 -> RE: T07 (1/25/2022 7:47:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hardradi

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Eg, if you have two depots all things being equal (distance from supply source, single track rail lines, same distance to units wanting supply, etc) as follows:

a) Level 1 railyard, capacity 10,000. Priority set to level 4.
b) Level 2 railyard, capacity 20,000. Priority set to level 4.

Does more supply go to b) or is it equal?


given the scenario you've described its basically random, rail congestion will bias the allocation to one or the other (ie the one with lower SMP cost will get more) - remember there is a small random element in how congestion is set in addition to variables around earlier usage and interdiction



carlkay58 -> RE: T07 (1/25/2022 9:55:53 AM)

My experience is that each depot is getting about the same amount of freight coming into it each turn regardless of size. There are some differences depending on the amount of railyard capacity supplying the depot though. I am not sure how much of a difference but that is something I am trying to track this game.



loki100 -> RE: T07 (1/25/2022 10:56:52 AM)

I think its pretty minimal, it would depend on the entire NSS-depot or depot-depot dynamics and there are so many potential variables that any observation needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. A random dump of congestion anywhere in the system could marginally distort the whole thing - so agree, unless you are able to store freight, receipts are driven by priority and rough equity of placement.

Gets different come say mid-42 when you should regularly have filled up depots just off the front line, then total storage capacity does come into play



Hardradi -> RE: T07 (1/26/2022 6:56:25 AM)

Thanks for your thoughts. I thought that was most likely the case.

I think it might be a bit different with ports. Assuming they are all open for import and at the same priority level, I think the bigger ports get more freight.

Although this might have something to do with how big shipping capacity is.



carlkay58 -> T08 (1/26/2022 7:47:12 PM)

T08 OOB:

The Soviets are still almost 3.3M despite my efforts to get them below the 3M mark. I will have to step up and try to eliminate more of them before the bad weather.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:47:37 PM)

T08 Production:

This is still looking good despite the Vehicle Pool being under 10K. Repair pool only increased 4.6K this turn.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:48:05 PM)

T08 Freight:

The surplus is now down to +2.8K as 18th and 11th Armies are the two largest supply short armies. Not too surprising based on their locations.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:48:30 PM)

T08 Trucks:

The number of unit trucks used has dropped to only 42K. This should result in better MPs for most units.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:48:58 PM)

T08 Soviet Attacks:

Two counterattacks south of Pskov force back two infantry regiments.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:49:28 PM)

T08 Air Phase:

There is nothing I can do or alter about Ground Support other than toggling it on/off so I will have to be careful about that. I adjust the Recon directives and continue the Naval Patrol near Odessa. Only 31 aircraft lost this turn.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:50:08 PM)

T08 Supply Net North:

Once again this does not look bad but the PGs are outrunning their supplies in the center.



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carlkay58 -> RE: T08 (1/26/2022 7:50:30 PM)

T08 Supply Net South:

This is in the same situation as the north but the limits of double rail lines makes it worse. The supplies are coming from the new depots but the distance the supplies are having to travel is bad.



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