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Stamb -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/27/2022 9:55:13 PM)

What are safe % for TBs in order not to lose VP/AP?



56ajax -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 6:14:00 AM)

Your thoughts on Sov Mot Eng Sapper Batts. Disband? They do exactly the same job as non mot batts but tie up extra trucks?



Beethoven1 -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 11:29:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: 56ajax

Your thoughts on Sov Mot Eng Sapper Batts. Disband? They do exactly the same job as non mot batts but tie up extra trucks?


You should disband them eventually for that reason, but it may not make sense to do so immediately in 1941. That is because if you disband them, you can't make non-motorized engineers without spending AP initially in 1941. So if you disband them, the manpower will be going into your divisions rather than into engineers. So until you get to the point where it is 0 AP to make more engineers, the question then is, is it better to have more fort construction capacity or to have more manpower and rifle elements in your actual divisions? Personally, I would say it is better to have more fort construction capacity, so I would leave the motorized engineers probably until winter, and then disband them, and then make more non-motorized engineers in the spring of 1942 when you will want more fort construction capacity again.



Stamb -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 11:56:08 AM)

Is there any list what units will be available for Soviets and when? Also when some of them will cost 0 AP to build?



loki100 -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 12:40:50 PM)

in the production chart or the editor



Stamb -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 1:17:06 PM)

awesome, thanks for info, like always!



RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 5:05:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 56ajax

Your thoughts on Sov Mot Eng Sapper Batts. Disband? They do exactly the same job as non mot batts but tie up extra trucks?


I disband them. Overall engineers if left to build up manpower, will reach 300k men.




RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/28/2022 11:58:56 PM)

Turn 4 - mud arrives across the front, and Pskov/Kiev are surrounded. I'm surprised Kiev wasn't just assaulted, and I'm also surprised Pskov was surrounded. Was hoping that cutting off AGN would mean they didn't have the fuel to do it, oh well.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 12:19:37 AM)

Post moves. An additional 20-30 rifle divisions have been sent from the reserve to the map. Mostly 50% TOE trash, but they will do a good enough job at forcing MP expenditure and exerting ZOC.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 12:23:01 AM)

Fyodor Tolbukhin is given command of the 28th army, containing some of the strongest Soviet units available to me right now.

My opponent's supply is not looking good. Muds will exacerbate his concerns for the time being.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 12:29:29 AM)

OOB as of turn 4. We slowly creep closer to the 3m mark, at which point things tend to go downhill for Germany - but it's still early.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:22:48 PM)

Turn 5, the vaunted 18th army strikes. Not in ideal conditions, we had to move many hexes and it's light mud and light forest, but each attack is successful and we liberate 4-6 rifle divisions.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:23:33 PM)

Hit 1 - not using any mech for this one, just infantry to hit a regiment.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:24:16 PM)

Hit 2 - 18th army. Acceptable losses.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:25:10 PM)

Hit 3 - less acceptable losses, but hey it was to open a pocket so I'll count it as a win.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:26:09 PM)

And hit 4 - again just infantry this time. Very much a win.

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Shiversprite -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:36:17 PM)

Talk about a clash of titans with all those tanks! [X(]



RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:53:16 PM)

Post moves.

For the reserves, I've deployed an additional 8-10 rifle divisions to Kursk (mostly 50% TOE trash as per usual) and another 3 cavalry divisions to dneprov.

I have also deployed 2,000 AFVs - around 7 tank divisions and 3 mech divisions, all 80%+ TOE- to Kharkov. I was considering deploying them to Moscow but I figured the potential to hit advancing panzers is much greater here than at Smolensk.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 8:59:00 PM)

OOB as of turn 5.

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Stamb -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 9:40:07 PM)

Looking on a map I have to say good luck advancing to a North and Center.



Jango32 -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 9:53:34 PM)

What we're also seeing is the south not getting completely abandoned, but instead getting defended by a token force only. Curious to see what the impact of that will be. I suspect no detrimental effects for the Soviets.



RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 9:55:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jango32

What we're also seeing is the south not getting completely abandoned, but instead getting defended by a token force only. Curious to see what the impact of that will be. I suspect no detrimental effects for the Soviets.


Yes I suppose to be more exact the strategy is leaving a mobile force of cavalry and other such relatively useless defensive units to guard the rivers.

I still consider it abandoning the south, but one could argue otherwise!



RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 10:43:10 PM)

Turn 6 start. Odessa falls to 140,000 Germans. More grinding at Leningrad.

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AlbertN -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 10:44:12 PM)

I've sung already what Stamb said above in other threads.
In the game where I play Soviet I am fighting in the south too but I do agree presently the gimmick is to retreat and keep the Germans on their logistic limits.



RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 10:47:00 PM)

These ratios make me hearken back to the good old days before AFV changes, where I'd have lost half of this. Alas.

Instead we settle for a 3-1 ratio.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 10:50:18 PM)

Rokossovosky's 16th army hits hard. I didn't notice the level 1 fort, could have very well been a fail!

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 10:54:55 PM)

Our new tank army is formed at Kharkov. Commander still needs to be replaced, of course, but ideally these boys won't see combat until CPP is up.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 11:15:22 PM)

Post moves. Central front, newly arrived this turn, will be designated as my 2nd assault next turn.

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RedJohn -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/29/2022 11:16:47 PM)

OOB Turn 6.

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Stamb -> RE: The Red Army Is (Not) Overpowered - A tongue in cheek aar (1/30/2022 12:05:59 AM)

New house rule incoming "no transfer of entire south armies to the reserve" :)



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