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Marc von Martial -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 10:17:35 AM)
John, honestly, I think you´re a bit overreacting [;)]

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 3:40:38 PM)
Marc, I respect your work as a graphic artist and love the stuff you did for Korsun Pocket and the Website, so I am answering your post for that reason, because I will not post anymore take - counter take with others about this. I'm sorry you think I overreacted. I was merely trying to point out what started my initial point was in concern to Joe 98's assertion of no difference between the two platforms. As usual, it becomes a typical flame war, which I asked it not to be in my initial response to Joe98's comments, but, alas to no avail. Go back and read the whole thread carefully and see how the point of my initial take is constantly pulled off track. One guy says that no Mac user ever answers his question, so I do point by point. Then later, I am told that a Mac is for only specific tasks, not suited for the '"everyday computer user". This was stated because I answered someone point for point! Others keep harping on the lack of software for the Mac. Typical outdated crap. I've seen this too often and I am tired of it. I do not appreciate the inference from Mr. Frag that "You are just as bad as the Linux guys, ignoring the real issue in favour of flaunting the better system." It has nothing to do with this, so I called him out on it! If you think I overreacted because I simply want to stick with the facts, and not have a bunch of nonsense interfere with that, which leads the conversation completely off track, well that's your opinion. Anyone who has read any other of my posts in other threads here knows that this "Hardass" attitude of mine is atypical as I prefer humor and cooperation with my fellow grognards! As a person who stated that they too have used and is considering purchasing a new Mac, I fail to understand why for you, trying to get the facts straight constitutes overreacting. Maybe over in Europe, there isn't that mentality like it is here in North America with the fervor and emotion between Mac and Windows user, which I repeatedly stated, that I love both platforms. If it is true, I envy you and I wish it was here as well. I think it stems from the fact that there are more Mac users in Europe and the U.K. per capata then there is here. So, if I come across as too strong, well it comes from years of having to put up with this attitude and misinformation. There are times when, if one feels personally challenged, as I was being grouped with the "just like the other guys" blast, that you stand up and answer the challenge. Frankly, I think I stated it best with my inquiry as to why people who have no use for something, continue to harp on it. I think I have said all I can on this matter, and it is only out of respect for your great talents as a graphic artist and designer that I answered your post. Can we all get back to what is important here, our love for this place! Let's put this to rest shall we. After all, the whole point of this thread was Ian's request of having a choice to have Matrix port the games on to the Mac. Were talking about choice here, and that is what so great about having the PC and the Mac and Linux ....[;)] We now return control of your computer to you until next week at this same time when the control voice will take you to... The Outer Limits![8D] JD

Mr.Frag -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 5:45:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IanAM A question: Is there ever going to be a possibilty of Matrix releasing games in Mac OS X format? I know that is probably better asked of games' developers rather than publishers, but would be interested in hearing the Matrix position on Mac support. I am a big fan of Matrix games - I own EYSA, Massive Assault, Korsun and HTTR - and would like, at some point to be able to play similar games on my Mac rather than PC... Quoting the very first post since you seem to want to blur the real issue John. A little reminder is perhaps in order because you seem like every other Mac user to be overly defensive. Read it carefully. Read it again. Now would you like to address the real issue instead of Joe's comments that have absolutely nothing to do with the real issue? Software is what computers run. Period. End of statement. The Mac doesn't run the software I or apparently the user who started this thread wants to run. End of discussion, no point debating facts. Thats one of the nice things about facts. They are facts. They are not open to interpretation. They simply are. As far as the rest of your assertions, if you read my notes carefully, you will note that at no time did I ever insult the Mac. It is in fact an excellent machine. I just happen to have no use for it. Please climb off your podium and deal with reality. You come across as a typical Apple guy with the "who cares that it doesn't run your software, it's better!". I am sorry that you don't see it in your posts, but that is exactly how you come across.

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 6:33:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Joe 98 quote: ORIGINAL: John David The new G5 with Panther under the hood is simply awesome![&o][&o] No its not. If I am using a spread sheet or a word processor, its exactly the same as Windows. There is no difference. Mr. Frag. Read this . Read it again. Then read it again. Marc says I'm overreacting. Well, now you know why. My point was in regards to what Joe 98 had brought up, not on Ian's initial remark. What is it that you can't get your head around this! As far as me being a typical Apple guy, you again don't get it. I have been a PC user longer, and you still convienietly choose to ignore my constant reference to my love for the PC. It is you who are making this into the typical Mac vs. PC. Too bad you can't discern this from your posts. Also, your interpretation that Ian's request for as you put it in an earlier post, where you put in capital letters was BEGGING Matrix for the software I quote Ian: " A question: Is there ever going to be a possibility of Matrix releasing games in Mac OS X format? I know that is probably better asked of games' developers rather than publishers, but would be interested in hearing the Matrix position on Mac support. I am a big fan of Matrix games - I own EYSA, Massive Assault, Korsun and HTTR - and would like, at some point to be able to play similar games on my Mac rather than PC." Where do you see him Begging? Do you have a special insight into his psyche? No, you know what it is, its typical of someone who can't deal with the facts, so they twist and distort what someone else states to try to get their point across. So, just as you did to Ian's remarks, you convienietly did it to mine. So for the last time, get this through your brain, the discussion I had that started all this was from Joe98's initial remark, not from Ian's. My initial response to Ian was just that I agreed that I would like to see Matrix do this and how great the new Mac's were. But you just won't acknowledge this. You continue to harp on this software issue. Your like a parrot repeating the same stuff over and over and....! What, are you waiting for a cracker or something before you will stop! As far as you telling me to deal with reality, it is obvious that you have no conception of what reality is. I might occasionally be guilty of being on a podium as you put it, but you live on one. You just seem to be incapable of realizing that I am talking about the difference of the 2 computer platforms, and not the software issue. Regardless, I keep answering these posts when I say that I am finished with it, but ignorance like yours must be answered. And again, not ONCE have you acknowledged my points of how much I enjoy my PC. You are blind as well as deaf! As usual you reaffirm my best point on folks like you, you keep talking about something you say you have no use for. No, Mr.Frag it is you who must join the real world. Your right about one thing though : " Thats one of the nice things about facts. They are facts. They are not open to interpretation. They simply are." Too bad you don't live up to your own words. JD

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 6:58:23 PM)
Let me post one last thing that I think best applies to this situation. Obviously Mr. Frag and I can keep this up until one of us drops first, so I will bow out. If you feel you must get in the last word, fine, so be it. As I stated, I don't come here for this. Let me close by quoting, yes a fictional character, but one that has said some poignant things in the past. To expect sense from two mentalities of such extreme viewpoints... is not logical. I'll let you guess who stated that eloquent quote. I apologize for letting this get personal, it's really not my way. Out. JD

Mr.Frag -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 9:26:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: John David Let me post one last thing that I think best applies to this situation. Obviously Mr. Frag and I can keep this up until one of us drops first, so I will bow out. If you feel you must get in the last word, fine, so be it. As I stated, I don't come here for this. Let me close by quoting, yes a fictional character, but one that has said some poignant things in the past. To expect sense from two mentalities of such extreme viewpoints... is not logical. I'll let you guess who stated that eloquent quote. I apologize for letting this get personal, it's really not my way. Out. JD As I said in my original post John, let me know when a PC emulator comes out that will let me run my games. This is not about bowing out or winning. That seems to be where we are butting heads. I don't care what is sitting in front of me as long as it runs my software [;)] That's always been my point and will always remain my point. As far as WinDOZE being a choice, it is not, it is forced upon us by the developers slapping DirectX into their code. Do you honestly think that anyone who has been in computers back to the CP/M days on a 8080 likes Microsoft???

carnifex -> RE: Mac OS X (4/2/2004 11:09:21 PM)
I believe the point of this thread was "Is there ever going to be a possibilty of Matrix releasing games in Mac OS X format?", and not anyone's assertion of the differences between the machines, but of course this got derailed by your typical hotheaded Mac defender who likes to say stuff like "let's not turn this into a typical Mac vs Pc flame war" and then proceeds to do exactly that, and offers his opinions that end in "Period!" and "End of discussion!". I find such behavior to be disturbingly typical of many Mac users, who continue to defend what is a niche product with vehemance way out of proportion with the importance (or the topic) of the discussion, spreading dubious claims like "Most mass market games are now avilable for the Mac", when a visit to any computer store will plainly show otherwise. The reason Matrix (or most companies) won't produce Mac versions of their games is that there is no market for it. Sure, the Mac is great for video editing and graphic design work, but how many people play games on it? Very, very few. If internet usage is any indication, as of March 2004 only 2.4% of people have Macs as compared to other operating systems. Linux has a 2.6% share, and how many companies make games for Linux?

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 12:20:14 AM)
Well, hiding is for cowards and I'm not one. I tried to state my case, and I apologized for my behavior in letting it get personal. Well, I'm in it for the long haul, it's good for the blood. carnifex, I'd rather be a hothead Mac defender as you put it then a no nothing typical ignorant PC only world user that you seem to be. 2.4%! where do you come up with that figure. I know, you saw it somewhere right, your not sure right, Oh yes, you got it from internet usage right. What the hell are you talking about! Internet usage!! The Mac share of the market is over 10% world wide and growing. Oh and there are no mass market games available for the Mac right... WRONG. Unlike you with your big mouth and no facts, go here and learn something: http://www.insidemacgames.com/ and then go here: http://www.insidemacgames.com/reviews/ c'mon tell me after that there are no games for the Mac. As usual your kind picked apart small pieces from all my posts in this thread to make your pathetic little points to make me seem like an ogre. Ahhh... wrong. I'm still waiting for one of you guys to acknowledge that I am just as much a PC user and not some Mac defender. Your notions of the Mac being only for "video editing and graphic design work" is typical, outdated and incorrect. Again you state the usual garbage and lack of knowledge that so many of your ilk do. I am constantly amused by the threat you PC only guys perceive in your constant Mac bashing in regards to as you put it, such a small market share computer. If the Mac is so insignificant, why do feel you have to bash it all the time. Instead of having an open mind, which I have shown throughout my posts in this thread by saying time and again how much I like both platforms and how I love my PC, I'm still waiting for the label Mac defender to be dropped from me. Oh, but guys like you who don't use & own both platforms are better qualified to comment on the them then people like me , right! People like you are laughable. I suggest you visit other computer stores for finding the games you mentioned that don't exist. Oh that's right, you can buy these games over the internet, who'd of thunk it! Plainly visiting the link I supplied will show that once again, your type talks big, but has no facts to base it on. AS I said, forget about me leaving this thread, I look forward to putting your kind in their place, you know, the kind who sifts through the facts , instead of seeing things from both perspectives as I plainly have stated through out my posts here. Bring it on, just know what your talking about first! JD

The Gnome -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 1:22:39 AM)
quote: Oh and there are no mass market games available for the Mac right... WRONG. Unlike you with your big mouth and no facts, go here and learn something: Lighten up Francis. No one here is hurling personal insults but you and if you're trying to win people over or bring some understanding to your point of view you're doing a piss poor job of it. Also,you've said a couple of times you'll bail out and take the high road - why don't you try it this time? Everyone else that's posted actually seems to be having a civil discussion.

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 2:11:19 AM)
Forgive my ignorance but Who is Francis! A refrence of yours at an attempt at humor? You state that I should take the high road, but no one has admitted to me that I have been on both sides of the issue, that I am not asking anyone to choose one platform over the other. As far as bailing out, why should I when my points are constantly being attacked and now having people question my character. I am not trying to bring people over to my point of view, so don't throw that at me. I'm tired of having my words rearranged and used as a method for stating other peoples views, when I am having to constantly remind some of the folks here about what started this discussion about the DIFFERENCE between the 2 platforms in the first place. And still, I'm waiting for anyone to acknowledge that I have stated that I use and enjoy both platforms. When you are constantly inundated with folks like you who spout there opinions and distort what I have said, it gets to you. I stated that I was going to bow out and I apologized for making it personal. Then later carnifex comes in and blasts me. Oh but I should be the one to take the high road,and he's being civil right! Right, but he's not hurling personal insults at me with his hothead blast and convenient editing policy on my previous posts! Why don't you admit, just once that you still don't get it! That you still have not once grudgingly accepted that I have been fair on both sides of the issue, that I am for both platforms, that my discussion started with the point of difference in the two. That i state facts and back them up like the links i provided in regards to the games issue. No, you won't, so you again try to shift the blame to me. Sorry Dwarf...er Gnome! I don't buy it Francis...er JD

benpark -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 3:29:49 AM)
Oh, man... Hey, my Mac is great for what I need to do. I don't know what the rest of you do, but I am happy to use the tool that is best for my job. Some people are argument addicts, it seems.

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 3:52:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: benpark Oh, man... Hey, my Mac is great for what I need to do. I don't know what the rest of you do, but I am happy to use the tool that is best for my job. Some people are argument addicts, it seems. You know, I think your right and I am guilty of that these past few days. I never meant it to even approach this. I have been comming here for 2 years now and never got into anything like this. It just always seems to get this way with Mac and Windows users, I just happen to be both. I guess I have been quite cranky latley, as I have had an unbelievably rotten last few weeks with my teeth and the dentist's chamber of horrors. I guess all that I have been through and still have to go through has made me very touchy. For this I again apologize. I hope that whoever might want to next jump down my throat will stop and realize that I have apologized twice. If you choose to carry out your "attack" like carnifex did to me the last time, I hope the rest of you will take notice that I was not the instigator. I will continue to have any civil discussion about this topic, but i'd rather talk about the real reasons we all come here. It's about the games. JD

Mr.Frag -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 4:51:02 AM)
Hey, like I said John ... let me know when there is a PC emulator that works ... I looked at you game lists, getting there, but light on war games [:(] I'm not in it for a fight, I just want to run my software without ever having to give Bill Gates another penny. I am actually surprised that there still isn't some kind of emulator, it's not like you don't have the horsepower under the hood, but then again, it's the same problem with linux, emulator just isn't good enough. As I'll repeat a million times, I've got no axe to grind against Apple except that they should have undercut Digital's price on CP/M 3.0 when it came out so DOS would have never existed in the first place. It's the very same mistake IBM made with OS/2. History is funny, it always seems to come back to who slashed their price on something setting the standard for 20 years. I've still got my Digital GEM floppies in a closet somewhere, the begining of it all [:'(]

benpark -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 4:57:59 AM)
Ah, the dentist. My eternal nemesis...

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 5:10:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag Hey, like I said John ... let me know when there is a PC emulator that works ... I looked at you game lists, getting there, but light on war games [:(] I'm not in it for a fight, I just want to run my software without ever having to give Bill Gates another penny. I am actually surprised that there still isn't some kind of emulator, it's not like you don't have the horsepower under the hood, but then again, it's the same problem with linux, emulator just isn't good enough. As I'll repeat a million times, I've got no axe to grind against Apple except that they should have undercut Digital's price on CP/M 3.0 when it came out so DOS would have never existed in the first place. It's the very same mistake IBM made with OS/2. History is funny, it always seems to come back to who slashed their price on something setting the standard for 20 years. I've still got my Digital GEM floppies in a closet somewhere, the begining of it all [:'(] Mr Frag, as a fellow Canadian, let me say I'm sorry I let things get out of hand. It as I said before, was never my intention. When everyone seems to be against you and you seem to be repeating yourself over and over, it seems like one is knocking his head against the wall. After awhile, you get a bit dazed![X(] Boy we sure as hell can agree about not wanting to give Gates anymore $$. The problem with the emulator you mention , Virtual PC, was bought by Microstif last year, so what that will mean for the future, I have no idea. Maybe they will want to improve it so Mac users will buy more Windows software to run on the Mac! They say that sometimes good friendships start from after an argument. Well, we sure got the argument part down pat and out of the way so, who knows.[8D] JD

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 5:12:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: benpark Ah, the dentist. My eternal nemesis... You being in Brooklyn and all... do you know someone who will break the legs of a dentist...cheap[;)] JD

Fred98 -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 6:12:54 AM)
If Marc is around perhaps you can tell us: Uncommon Valour will not run on a MAC under Virtual Windows. Is this due to the Uncommon Valour code or due to Virtual Windows? -

benpark -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 6:18:38 AM)
I've got some "one size fits all" pourable shoes you could use...[;)]

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 6:23:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: benpark I've got some "one size fits all" pourable shoes you could use...[;)] SOLD! JD

Mr.Frag -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 6:39:00 AM)
quote: You being in Brooklyn and all... do you know someone who will break the legs of a dentist...cheap Not that I want to get down on dentists, but really ... I have to ask? Is there a world wide shortage on novicane? Like do they really need to be such stingy bstrds with the stuff? It's like me, I'm sitting there arguing with the last guy ... he's saying there's no way you can still feel that as I bolt right up in the chair in shock from the pain! Then they go through to whole "you're a moron and all your teeth are gonna fall out" crappy guilt trip ... like come on, I left home to get away from my mother in the first place ... I'm not here to listen to you trying to be her ... You know, maybe if they were not so abusive and condecending, people would actually go to see them more often instead of waiting till it's far too late.

John David -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 7:27:06 AM)
What are you seeing the same dentist as me![;)] Check this out. I had to have an upper front tooth removed because it was cracked years ago under the gum line and the tooth was already capped from the lower crack from playing hockey as a teen. Natch, Canadian eh! Now there was a chance that the tooth would splinter under the gum line when she (yes a women dentist, which is cool because I always believed in women as equals), went to yank it out of my face. Well of course the tooth splintered and she had to pull each splinter out one at a time. now in fairness, she did shoot me up a couple of times, but I could still feel the splinters being yanked. She kept telling me to imagine that I was a women going through labor, so I could deal with what they do during child birth as far as the pain goes! That what I was feeling was just the pressure, not any pain! What the F#*K is she saying I thought to myself as my face is being rearranged! Now you know how impossible it is to speak when they have both their fists in your mouth with all their instruments, while your face is being vacuumed into that miniature Hoover to slosh up your saliva right! Well, the only way you can communicate with her or anyone on the outside world is to wave your arms back and forth to get her attention right. Well I'm waving my arms so forcefully that I'm flagging down passing aircraft! Meanwhile, she's killing me! I have to face more similar things with some back teeth later this month. You can see why I said that I was so cranky before. It's pressure, not pain your feeling!! Sure, easy for you!! JD

Mr.Frag -> RE: Mac OS X (4/3/2004 9:34:52 PM)
First rule: Stay away from women docs ... they always seem to feel that we can take pain just because they get to enjoy child birth. I think it's some ego thing with them, they have a need to get revenge on men. [:D]

Fred98 -> RE: Mac OS X (4/5/2004 12:54:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Joe 98 If Marc is around perhaps you can tell us: Uncommon Valour will not run on a MAC under Virtual Windows. Is this due to the Uncommon Valour code or due to Virtual Windows? - Bump

Marc von Martial -> RE: Mac OS X (4/5/2004 2:04:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Joe 98 If Marc is around perhaps you can tell us: Uncommon Valour will not run on a MAC under Virtual Windows. Is this due to the Uncommon Valour code or due to Virtual Windows? - I don´t know.

benpark -> RE: Mac OS X (4/5/2004 8:32:07 PM)
Joe-what Mac and VPC are you using? I have my old copy of VPC (which is OS9)-not working with my new comp (OS X.xx)., so I'm not much help there.

Fred98 -> RE: Mac OS X (4/6/2004 1:57:12 AM)
It would have been about a year ago. Maybe less. The big MAC monitors had just been released. I needed to upgrade some parts on my PC and considered a MAC instead – due to the wonderful monitor. Took my UV CD to the MAC store and the man happily installed Virtual Windows (“VW”) for WIN 2000, onto a G5 with a big monitor. I then installed UV and it all seemed to go fine. But the game would not run. My intention was to test the graphics on the big monitor. My concern was that if the graphics are too good, it might show up graphical flaws in UV - graphical flaws would reduce my enjoyment. And I have another concern. If you read reviews of VW, there are hints that running games under VW is not such a good idea. VW hogs memory and there is a minor incompatibility in the graphics and sounds. After all, VW was intended to run Windows business software on a MAC. -

benpark -> RE: Mac OS X (4/6/2004 7:57:55 AM)
I had bad luck with Virtual Windows. Try the Connectix Virtual PC-before I had my PC for games and my G5 for work, I used to run TOAW-ACOW, Sudden Strike, and a few others on my G3 500mhz iMac and VPC.

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