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Raindog101 -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 2:03:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

Precisely.

Combat, real combat, not the stuff happening in the world today necessarily, is not nice not predictable, and doesn't obey the rules.

I want a rifle that is dangerous empty as well as loaded.

I want to know, that I can beat you to death with it, and then later load a clip into it when resupplied, and the rifle won't be broken.

Having a nice sledge hammer handle would of course also make me feel safe and happy.

You're just to stupid to ignore.

The "stuff" happening in the world today isn't "real" combat?

Then tell me what is "Real Combat?" [8|]

ASL? [8|]

Most soldiers who actually fight and have to carry a rifle would prefer a lightweight weapon with a high rate of fire, more suitable for close combat and fire supression, that allows them to carry sufficient ammo for, as opposed to a club so heavy you can only 3 magazines.

If your in a position that calls for you to have to club the bad guys, you've already lost. You'd have a better chance of survival, running.

At times your insufferable, psychotic jelousy of the US war machine is unbearable.

Socialism has turned your once proud military into a broken, bankrupt, powerless playground for wannabe soldiers and prissy dilettantes.

You and your ilk caused that. Not the US.

Get over it. [8|]



2ndACR -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 5:49:00 AM)

Notice how when confronted Les goes and hides.



Sarge -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 8:57:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

Precisely.

Combat, real combat, not the stuff happening in the world today necessarily, is not nice not predictable, and doesn't obey the rules.

I want a rifle that is dangerous empty as well as loaded.

I want to know, that I can beat you to death with it, and then later load a clip into it when resupplied, and the rifle won't be broken.

Having a nice sledge hammer handle would of course also make me feel safe and happy.

Les have you been playing Call of Duty or just forget your meds



VicKevlar -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 4:36:21 PM)

Settle down kids.........



NefariousKoel -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 5:07:10 PM)

"Woah baby. I think playtime is ovahhh."



pasternakski -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 5:37:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShermanM4

I am not here to discuss the circumstances of this photo. I just want to know what kind of rifle this young man is holding. Does anybody know?

[image]local://upfiles/9520/Sq476766950.jpg[/image]


I think we've wandered sufficiently far afield.



riverbravo -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 6:13:36 PM)

No replies from Les?

DANCE DANCE DANCE!!



Makoto -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/9/2004 8:33:35 PM)

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I think we've wandered sufficiently far afield.


The question has already been answered so we're free to do as we please. [:D]



Mangudai -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/13/2004 8:51:21 AM)

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A well known US scientist (departed now though), Carl Sagan, a man I personally find incapable of uttering something that might sound outright stupid, thus I am inclined to consider it seriously, stated that fully 50% of the US adult population is unaware the earth revolves around the sun (and not the other way around).

50%

Think about that for a minute. Take two minutes if you like.

Now I can only conclude from that, one conclusion.

50% of the US adult population is incredible undereducated.



You think it's that simple huh? Then tell me one experiment that proves the Earth goes around the Sun. According to Einstein no such experiment is possible. Because the freefall reference frame is a locally inertial reference frame, Einstein called this "the happiest thought of my life".

You probably think I'm nuts right... let me explain with an example. Are astronauts in the space shuttle weightless? According to Newton's Law of Gravity at 300 mi above the Earth they have 95% of the weight they have on Earth's surface. They only seem to be weightless because the space shuttle and everything on board is falling toward the Earth at exactly the same rate. From inside the space shuttle there is no experiment you can do to prove that you are accelerating toward the Earth.

There is a mysterious large blue globe that you can see out the window, and also a very very tiny tidal effect which seems related to this globe. But, this does not prove the space shuttle orbits the Earth.

Copernicus provided no new data to support his theory. Actually he was a Sun-worshiper. He used existing data which Ptolemaic astronomers already accepted. Copernicus' theory described exactly when retrograde planetary motion could happen. Ptolemaic astronomers couldn't derive it from first principles, but they already knew the answer based on observations. So there were no new suprises.

Galileo's observations of the phases of Venus provided strong evidence that Venus goes around the sun. He also found that Jupiter has moons, and thus not everything goes around the Earth. However, Tycho Brahe did not think this was a problem for the Earth centered model. He postulated that the "solar system" is centered around the Sun, but the whole "solar system" goes around the Earth.

Kepler and Newton liked the "harmony" of Copernicus' model better but they did not have new experiments to confirm it. In the 18th centruy astronomers tried to calculate the orbits of all the planets based on Newton's Law of Gravity. The predicted orbits of Uranus and Mercury did not match the theory. Adams and Leverier hypothesized that another planed (Neptune) was interfering with Uranus. They worked out the orbit of Neptune accurately on pencil and paper before astronomers ever saw it. This was enough to convince most of the hold-outs for the Sun centered model.

People also thought there must be a planet (Vulcan) interfering with the orbit of Mercury, but Vulcan was never found. This problem was unresolved until Einstein's General Relativity described the hyperbolic (non-Euclidean) warping of space-time due to gravity.

There is also an experiment called Foulcault's pendulum which proves that the Earth spins once per day. This unrelated to orbiting, and is no problem for Tycho Brahe's model.



Maliki -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/13/2004 9:08:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mangudai

quote:


A well known US scientist (departed now though), Carl Sagan, a man I personally find incapable of uttering something that might sound outright stupid, thus I am inclined to consider it seriously, stated that fully 50% of the US adult population is unaware the earth revolves around the sun (and not the other way around).

50%

Think about that for a minute. Take two minutes if you like.

Now I can only conclude from that, one conclusion.

50% of the US adult population is incredible undereducated.



You think it's that simple huh? Then tell me one experiment that proves the Earth goes around the Sun. According to Einstein no such experiment is possible. Because the freefall reference frame is a locally inertial reference frame, Einstein called this "the happiest thought of my life".

You probably think I'm nuts right... let me explain with an example. Are astronauts in the space shuttle weightless? According to Newton's Law of Gravity at 300 mi above the Earth they have 95% of the weight they have on Earth's surface. They only seem to be weightless because the space shuttle and everything on board is falling toward the Earth at exactly the same rate. From inside the space shuttle there is no experiment you can do to prove that you are accelerating toward the Earth.

There is a mysterious large blue globe that you can see out the window, and also a very very tiny tidal effect which seems related to this globe. But, this does not prove the space shuttle orbits the Earth.

Copernicus provided no new data to support his theory. Actually he was a Sun-worshiper. He used existing data which Ptolemaic astronomers already accepted. Copernicus' theory described exactly when retrograde planetary motion could happen. Ptolemaic astronomers couldn't derive it from first principles, but they already knew the answer based on observations. So there were no new suprises.

Galileo's observations of the phases of Venus provided strong evidence that Venus goes around the sun. He also found that Jupiter has moons, and thus not everything goes around the Earth. However, Tycho Brahe did not think this was a problem for the Earth centered model. He postulated that the "solar system" is centered around the Sun, but the whole "solar system" goes around the Earth.

Kepler and Newton liked the "harmony" of Copernicus' model better but they did not have new experiments to confirm it. In the 18th centruy astronomers tried to calculate the orbits of all the planets based on Newton's Law of Gravity. The predicted orbits of Uranus and Mercury did not match the theory. Adams and Leverier hypothesized that another planed (Neptune) was interfering with Uranus. They worked out the orbit of Neptune accurately on pencil and paper before astronomers ever saw it. This was enough to convince most of the hold-outs for the Sun centered model.

People also thought there must be a planet (Vulcan) interfering with the orbit of Mercury, but Vulcan was never found. This problem was unresolved until Einstein's General Relativity described the hyperbolic (non-Euclidean) warping of space-time due to gravity.

There is also an experiment called Foulcault's pendulum which proves that the Earth spins once per day. This unrelated to orbiting, and is no problem for Tycho Brahe's model.


Preach on[&o][:)]



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/13/2004 4:54:50 PM)

Still here, but I tend to stop repeating comments eventually eh.

There comes a point in time, when a thread basically has said all that can be said, and endlessly arguing becomes to close to what I did in grade 3.

Sorry if my lack of interest in rebuatal ad naseum looks like me admitting defeat :)

But the internet DOES have other forums eh, your small little argument is not the extent of my life ya know



UndercoverNotChickenSalad -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/13/2004 7:10:25 PM)

[8|]

0wN3d



Mangudai -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/13/2004 8:37:34 PM)

I wasn't really trying to argue with you, I was really just showing off. [8D]

I have a physics degree and I am soon to become a high school physics teacher. I've read several books and written several papers on this topic, including a 40 page unit plan to teach it to kids.



Maliki -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/14/2004 7:28:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mangudai

I wasn't really trying to argue with you, I was really just showing off. [8D]

I have a physics degree and I am soon to become a high school physics teacher. I've read several books and written several papers on this topic, including a 40 page unit plan to teach it to kids.


Someone who knows what their talking about[X(].Theres no place for that when conjecture fills the bill quite nicely,thank you very much[:D]



SeaMonkey -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/14/2004 9:28:41 AM)

I applaud you Mangudai, but when you start teaching these adolescents please emphasize the use of common sense, laws of symmetry and a couple of lessons based on making "good decisions" and then you might throw in some physics too. The world will be in your debt.



Belisarius -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/14/2004 6:54:50 PM)

Mangudai, since you obviously seem to know what you're talking about...

I know the Greeks figured out that the Earh is a sphere by studying lunar eclipses, but didn't they also figure out we were orbiting the Sun by looking at the stars or something?



degen -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/18/2004 7:45:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

My attitude towards the US has basically never changed.
I tend to hate the government there, and tend to only know people I have liked.
Being Canadian, I see trade based interaction for what it is, a little guy trying to deal with a large guy.
We end up with most of our media being largely dominated by the US viewpoint, as most of our media is essentially originating from the US.



It's so nice of you to hate our government. Please be different from the terrorists that attacked us and just stay out of the US. While you are at, discontinue using US products. Just throw away all the things you own that were made in the US, starting with SL, ASL , and SPWAW. These products were all made in a country whose government you hate and will only corrupt your lifestyle. You will make your point better if you actually live by your words.

Frankly, I'm tired of all the US bashing that seems so trendy and popular now. Try being original next time.



Maliki -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/20/2004 10:48:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: degen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

My attitude towards the US has basically never changed.
I tend to hate the government there, and tend to only know people I have liked.
Being Canadian, I see trade based interaction for what it is, a little guy trying to deal with a large guy.
We end up with most of our media being largely dominated by the US viewpoint, as most of our media is essentially originating from the US.



It's so nice of you to hate our government. Please be different from the terrorists that attacked us and just stay out of the US. While you are at, discontinue using US products. Just throw away all the things you own that were made in the US, starting with SL, ASL , and SPWAW. These products were all made in a country whose government you hate and will only corrupt your lifestyle. You will make your point better if you actually live by your words.

Frankly, I'm tired of all the US bashing that seems so trendy and popular now. Try being original next time.


You forgot to add where the majority of the people are dumb[:D]



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/20/2004 4:38:33 PM)

Before you go assuming the US is always the best, remember, a lot of what you call great in the US, was made by a Canadian living there eh :)

Yes some wargames are made in the US, hmmm Hubert Cater made Strategic Command eh, he lives in Ontario because he's Canadian :)

Ya can just never tell when you have been infiltrated hehe.

You might hate being hit with anti US sentiment, but I hate dealing with I hate anti US sentiment tantrums myself.

The world is not the US and everything else, The US is just one country on the planet eh.
And keep in mind, Canada has been several times referred to as the number 1 place to live, I can't help if I am proud eh.

Never had an urge to visit the US. Why bother. Canada is a beautiful country. Not evveryone dreams of the tropical beach vacation. Give me 2000 bucks and I plan to spend my vacation in Alberta's rockies.



UndercoverNotChickenSalad -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/20/2004 7:00:01 PM)

You might hate being hit with anti US sentiment, but I hate dealing with I hate anti US sentiment tantrums myself.

If there was some nitwit on here always posting about how crappy Canada is I think your eyes would be opened and maybe you'd lighten up some.



BAL -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/20/2004 8:08:10 PM)

[QUOTE]I have finally reached that point where it's time to take a looooong vacation.[/QUOTE]

Do this forum a favor, Les. Start your vacation now.



VicKevlar -> RE: What kind of rifle is this? (5/20/2004 8:47:23 PM)

Enuff.



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