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Luskan -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 2:40:14 PM)
I lost my last post, so I'll do a summarazed version: Quiet turn. I took Naga and Lingayen. Raver's troops in PI going to starve. I want to sink POW and Repulse - was hoping to find them at Chandpur and long lance them. Banana out.

Raverdave -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 2:56:40 PM)
Quiet turn my arse! My turns are NEVER quite.....I am always busy shipping hundreds of thousands of supply and fuel points (Yup, I have one convoy at sea that has got 157,000 supply points loaded[:D]). POW and Repulse are going to be sent to XXXXXX, lucky for the RN I was able to intercept that stupid order that Winston sent to them and thus I saved the day! All hail the Raver as the Wise and All Knowing Commander![&o][&o][&o][&o] [:D]

Andy Mac -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 3:53:41 PM)
Uh hu so all knowing commander what did happen to that Indian Bde in Chandpur Harbour. [:D][:D] Andy

Luskan -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 4:32:26 PM)
And more importantly, where is the turn????????????????

Jim D Burns -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 6:42:04 PM)
After the big flap about air losses in the recent AI AAR, I'd be interested in seeing the victory points screens of this game to get an idea of op losses under two human opponents control. Any chance one of you two could post a screen to enlighten us? Thanks, Jim

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 10:48:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker quote: ORIGINAL: Luskan Ron is going to be unhappy. 3rd sub in deep water in 3 turns that raver's hunter killer group has killed. ASW attack at 109,71 Japanese Ships SS I-169, hits 6, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships DD Monaghan DD Alwin DD Allen Got that right. I'm loosin' it![sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] [:D]Time will show that the Allied ASW is much too effective. What speed are these ASW TFs travelling at? Bet you they are at mission speed meaning they are travelling too fast to effectively use their sonar. But allied sonar almost always picks up subs first. I've had three instances where the jap sub actually fired and it is now mid April 42. Oh, yeah. Like everyone is fond of saying..."it's a sixty mile hex."[8D] Just experienced my sixth IJN sub attack. A TK took one torp and the I-1 got schmucked by the escorts, DDs Pope and Peary and MSW Lark. Gawd help the IJN when Allied experience goes up and ASW refits come online. Turn it down, please. And I'm an Allied fanboy, sort of.[;)]

Xargun -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/16/2004 11:44:35 PM)
Heya Raverdave has the British Government needed any ships returned yet ? How about your last game with Luskan ? Just wondering.. Thanks, Xargun

Raverdave -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/17/2004 1:35:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun Heya Raverdave has the British Government needed any ships returned yet ? How about your last game with Luskan ? Just wondering.. Thanks, Xargun Nope not yet

Raverdave -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/17/2004 1:49:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Luskan And more importantly, where is the turn???????????????? I waited till 12 last night and checked again this morning before I went to work and still had not received the Email........do you want to send it again?

Raverdave -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/17/2004 3:47:13 PM)
OOOooooo, I got some nice hits in this turn[:)] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/22/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 47,103 Japanese Ships SS I-173 Allied Ships CA Houston, Torpedo hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 108,69 Japanese Ships SS I-170, hits 5, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships DD Monaghan DD Alwin DD Allen DD Litchfield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 143,50 Japanese Ships SS I-6, hits 6, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships DD Lawrence DD King DD Preston DD Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Soc Trang at 29,46 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 3 no losses Japanese Ships AP Kyokusei Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 5 Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 1 damaged Japanese Ships DD Akatsuki CA Mogami Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 33,64 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 3 Allied aircraft losses Martin 139: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Nagara, Bomb hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 24,49 Allied aircraft Vildebeest IV x 12 Allied aircraft losses Vildebeest IV: 2 damaged Japanese Ships AP Kasui Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Daifuku Maru, heavy damage AP Ayaha Maru AK Akita Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 33,64 Allied aircraft Martin 139 x 1 no losses Japanese Ships AP Kashiwa Maru Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 33,64 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 1 no losses Japanese Ships AP Hie Maru Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 8 Blenheim IV x 3 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 2 damaged Japanese Ships BB Haruna Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33 Japanese aircraft Ki-51 Sonia x 9 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 24,49 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 3 no losses Japanese Ships AP Kasui Maru, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 49 troops unloading over beach at Ormoc, 43,57 Japanese ground losses: 131 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Naga Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 2577 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 138 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Naga base !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Lingayen Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 1986 troops, 6 guns, 133 vehicles Defending force 912 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 136 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Lingayen base !!! Allied ground losses: 29 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 28,39 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 1562 troops, 0 guns, 103 vehicles Defending force 210 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 230 to 1 SIG INT REPORT FOR 12/22/41 251404 men are based at Nagasaki. Maizuru Fortress is located at Kyoto. Radio transmissions detected at Taipei. Radio transmissions detected at Vancouver. Radio transmissions detected at Vancouver. 4th Army is located at Harbin. 11th Heavy AA Battalion is located at Osaka/Kobe. 33rd Division is located at Bangkok. Radio transmissions detected at Sendai. Radio transmissions detected at Tokyo. 107th IJA Base Force is located at Taejon. Radio transmissions detected at 50,39. China Expeditionary Army is located at Canton. Radio transmissions detected at Naga. 20th Engineer Regiment is located at Canton. 9754 men are based at Kompong Trach. 25th Army is located at 25,46. 5th AA Regiment is located at Niigata. Radio transmissions detected at 51,42. 51st AA Regiment is located at Takao.

Luskan -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/19/2004 3:54:11 AM)
A couple of little units of mine slipped in and stole Kuala Lumpur - they'll double back and take an almost empty georgetown. Is interesting how well Raver has avoided large scale land battle confrontation (in fact, at sea as well!). He's carefully husbanding his forces - come 43 he's going to have a pretty big arsenal. In both major campaigns, the PI and Malaya, there have been plenty of little fights, which have yielded me bases and resources for little or no pain, and have cost Raver equally little. However now with Manila, and Clark, Singapore and Johore Bharu all being fortified up and each packed full of enemy combat troops (very very full!) I won't be rushing in to steal them. Instead, these last 3 turns at Clark I've bombed the place with 150+ sallies and lilys and sonias, each time taking an excellent toll on the defenders (200+) because they are so packed in, and scoring all important supply pile hits. This will continue for a while as all of my big divisions rest from two weeks of marching, and gather all important prep points for taking out clark. The same thing is going to happen in Malaya - first my units need to get to Kuala Lumpur, where they will all be prepping for the battle at Johore Bharu. I will not move wiht half a force, I musthave a brilliantly prepared force and overwhelm Raver in short order. Drawn out conflicts will not help me here. In Burma my jungle bonud units are taking longer to arrive in position that I had wished - but soon enough I'll have established my back line (rugby term) wiht a couple of fast wingers on either end of the front to exploit any holes I find. Is going to be a long campaign over there. At least Tavoy is coming along well, with the fort size reaching 2, the airbase well built and lots of aircraft massing there (3 base forces) for the upcoming offensive. I also have a little bit of a fleet beginning to form there for future operations in the bay of bengal. My victorious troops took Samarinda this turn, and Raver's troops are racing up the road to Tarakan - too slow as my other amphib ops will be taking that very soon as well. I also took Ormac in the last two turns, which means mop up operations in the northern PI will have to cease as Raver has isolated divisions on some of these islands and I'm not going to bother with them until I've got manila and Clark sewn up. Raver continues his deep water massacre of my sub picket lines. I had about 12 subs in a row between me and pearl, and Raver's hunter killer groups have got 6 of that picket line (for a total of about 12 subs IIRC) and are just working their way up it. In other housekeeping news, Rabaul and Kendari both received extra HQs, garrison troops and CD units to keep them wholesome - in case Raver gets any ideas. I know there is a US division embarked on one of Raver's convoys out there - arriving at Noumea very shortly I'd guess.

Raverdave -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 7:56:06 AM)
Duck and weave, thats my plan and so far it is working just fine. Mind you there was a very poor surface raid carried out on Tavoy which cost me more in damage to my own ships than it did to Luskan, and then I got smacked the very next turn by some LRB operating out of Tavoy, which hurt my BB and BC ships even more with some torps. I am going to have to have a long talk with the Far East RN about their performance (or lack of). Building plans at Clark or progressing well with the fort level coming along very well. Luskan is going to bleed trying to take any of these bases or citys on the PI. Burma now has the troops that it needs to defend against Luskan, but I can not see him really making a strong move in that direction until sinagpore falls, then he will have to rest his troops, and then he will have to ship them. So I would say that we are looking at some 4 months before he is fully ready to take on Burma. I still have not sighted or even had an intell report on where his CVs are. I thought that I had a sniff of them some where north of the solomans so I sent 4 subs to have a butchers hook, but nothing. I think that while the land combat slows down on the PI and Malaya and China, Luskan will be looking to for some type of award winning naval operation...............well he does have a big ego that he must keep well fed[;)]

Luskan -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 8:27:08 AM)
Another quiet turn on the waves as another of my subs is indiscriminately sunk. I take kungming in China - not really a big battle because Raver had already evacauted. His trategy at avoidinglosses in china is just so effective that next time I play the allies, that is exactly how I'm playing it. Raver's raid with Repulse and POW on Tavoy was a miserable failure - the bad weather keeping things cool in the SRA really saved my dds - that and the Pommie admirals decision to fire three shells and then call it a night. My dds escaped without any loss (although one dd copped 40 sys damage from 2 shell hits). I didn't have any torps reloaded yet so that was a bit disappointing, but then by betties out of Tavoy (POW and Repulse didn't bother to bombard - their admiral was no doubt ordered to) and I put two torps into POW for no noticable effect other than a little smoke, and one torp into Repulse that set her on fire. They'll be back soon enough - but for now they've retired to Chandpur for a bit of repair I'm guessing. Spotted Raver's transports at Akyab, and that is certainly disappointing. I was hoping he'd try to get troops into Rangoon and suffer for it. Akyab may as well be no the other side of the moon as far as I'm concerned at the moment - my troops took so long getting into position through the jungle that Raver does have months before I get there in any strength. I did get a thousand of them or so - but this is pathetic compared to the numbers I was getting last game. I am hoping to trap a few thousand on the northern front (they've got nowhere left to run) and I've got over a dozen big divisions surrounding Kweilin and Wuchow at the moment, but I'm unwilling to weaken my forces near one to take the other just yet. Raver has misunderstood my plan for clark and Singapore - let them build the forts as high as they like - they should use every scrap of supply they've got doing that since all but 24 of Malaya's 800 odd resources are mine (producing supply for my troops and resources for my industry at a later date) while Singapore's heavy industry, and maybe even as many as a hundred thousand enemy troops have to survive on 24 resources between them? And at Clark - Clark itself has 120 resources or so - but this turn I bombed that down to half. I'll bomb it down to zero, and keep bombing the airfield so that repairs never really finish. Next thing you know, clark is producing 0 supply to support all the allied troops in malaya (manila does not produce any resources). I control them ALL except the 120 at clark and they're about to be bombed to oblivion. I figure by the time my troops have had a few weeks to sun themselves, gather those vital preparation points together, and get into position (my troops will be a little fat from all the food they'll be eating, produced by all the resources I've stolen) while Raver wastes his supply on building forts, gets bombed (especially his resources and supplies) and because he didn't evacuate any troops he's going to STARVE to death. A fort size of 9 isn't going to mean diddly when your troops are too starved to pull a trigger.

Luskan -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 2:23:28 PM)
Well, this turn saw me loosing some nells over darwin (not to worry, got plenty of them) on a silly mission. However Clark got smacked again, and this turn things improved since it is the first turn in about 2 weeks I haven't lost a sub. Somebody posted in another thread that they wanted to see my date by date plans. I honestly can't remember the dates, all I can remember is the order (of course, the first 4 points are meaningless since Raver had either already evacuated every base or so close to as wouldn't have made a difference). In china I've cut him off in the north and will take the entire northern flank - a flank that will NOT become part of the front line because to get up there on any road trail you have to go through Sian - which will be the jump off point for my flanking attack on the massive central chinese industrial bases (once Wuchow and Kweilin are secure, and my troops can close in from Hanoi, Wuchow and Sian simultaneously). Of course, the problem with this strategy is the distance and time involved. Raver has saved his troops, and has withdrawn the bulk of them into this industrial heartland totally intact. They're in there right now building forts in bases that produce large amounts of supply and providing great supoprt and reinforcement. Out on the perimeter - I'm guaranteed to win - but in there, it is a gamble that he might well win - especially if he holds the Burma road open. [image]local://upfiles/7090/Ca823673994.jpg[/image]

Mr.Frag -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 7:29:29 PM)
You are joking right? Chungking? It's your dreams Banana boy. Got an extra 20 Divisions around that I don't know about? [8\|]

Onime No Kyo -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 9:29:51 PM)
Well, as you can see on the map, he plans to use the super secret but highly trained Banana Corps, which is currently concentrated around the Wuhan-Changsha area, to overwhelm the defenders with spores of the "spotted banana" desease and that sickeningly swet smell of rotting fruit.

GameTester -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 9:49:39 PM)
Go for it! Knock the Chinese out of the war!

Mr.Frag -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 10:27:09 PM)
quote: Go for it! Knock the Chinese out of the war! You are aware how many Chinese there are right? [:D]

GameTester -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 10:42:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag quote: Go for it! Knock the Chinese out of the war! You are aware how many Chinese there are right? [:D] 100 divisions?

Mr.Frag -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/20/2004 11:59:44 PM)
quote: 100 divisions? No, I meant Chinese people [;)] Divisions are simply reformed when they are destroyed. You kill them, they come back in 30 days. You kill them, they come back in 30 days. It is an endless loop. [;)]

GameTester -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 12:04:02 AM)
I guess several hundred million. However if the Japanese can to take enough cities, there will be less Chinese people available to draw from. Is this modeled in the game?

Mr.Frag -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 12:09:06 AM)
quote: I guess several hundred million. However if the Japanese can to take enough cities, there will be less Chinese people available to draw from. Is this modeled in the game? No different to people, but the lost industry will slow down how quickly the newly formed divisions repopulate themselves with arms. Unless you cut the link from India, there is really nothing you can do to China except grab some extra industry for Japan. This needs to be carefully balanced against the losses you take. Chinese troops come back when destroyed. Japanese troops do not.

GameTester -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 1:06:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag quote: I guess several hundred million. However if the Japanese can to take enough cities, there will be less Chinese people available to draw from. Is this modeled in the game? No different to people, but the lost industry will slow down how quickly the newly formed divisions repopulate themselves with arms. Unless you cut the link from India, there is really nothing you can do to China except grab some extra industry for Japan. This needs to be carefully balanced against the losses you take. Chinese troops come back when destroyed. Japanese troops do not. Well I don't think China can be taken then barring some terrible mistakes by the Allied player. It seems with all the garrison requirements and the reconstituting Chinese divisions, the Japanese would be best to avoid trying to defeat the Chinese. Ship those divisions to Burma! [:D]

marky -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 1:37:58 AM)
y not land jap paratroopers and cut the burma road? then spread out along the western border to cut all possible supply lines hey this is my 415th post [:D] i wonder how long til i get promoted again wats the next rank? legion of sumthing? [:D]

GameTester -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 1:54:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marky y not land jap paratroopers and cut the burma road? then spread out along the western border to cut all possible supply lines Good idea but this brings up another issue. What are the rules on using Chinese units outside of China? This was a big issue in the war.

pad152 -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 4:33:18 AM)
quote: Divisions are simply reformed when they are destroyed. You kill them, they come back in 30 days. A couple of comments: 30 days to reform a division seems way to quick. Man Power, aren't man resource centers modeled in China and shouldn't taking them cut down on the replacement level and/or rate? I'm not saying Japan should be able to role over China but, as Japan captures more cities the rate of Chinas replacements should be slowed. My limited understanding of the war in China is it was almost a three-way war (Allied vs Japan, Japan vs China, and Chinese vs Chinese). If Japan is very sucessful one might expect that more Chinese would be willing to fight on the side of Japanese.

Raverdave -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 4:35:50 AM)
Well it seems that bananananananana boy has learnt how to post sreenies wonders will never cease[8\|]. More than happy to let Luskan try and have a crack at Chungking, but I think that banananaa boy will read these posts and get the wind up, and choose a diffent tack. Well it rained Nells at Darwin last turn, something like 24 Nells came in on a raid and I shot down 13 ! Luskan should have followed upwith another raid the next day as my pilots were still too pissed to fly from the huge booze-up that was had.[:)] The India-Burma-China road will stay open, Luskan cannot use paratroopers and he lost them all in an operation in the PI[:D]

Mr.Frag -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 4:43:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pad152 quote: Divisions are simply reformed when they are destroyed. You kill them, they come back in 30 days. A couple of comments: 30 days to reform a division seems way to quick. Man Power, aren't man resource centers modeled in China and shouldn't taking them cut down on the replacement level and/or rate? I'm not saying Japan should be able to role over China but, as Japan captures more cities the rate of Chinas replacements should be slowed. My limited understanding of the war in China is it was almost a three-way war (Allied vs Japan, Japan vs China, and Chinese vs Chinese). If Japan is very sucessful one might expect that more Chinese would be willing to fight on the side of Japanese. 1/3 strength on reform. Manpower not used by Allies. It is a Japanese production item.

GameTester -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 4:49:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag 1/3 strength on reform. How does 'reform' work? Are they set to pop up in X city everytime or does the player have control over where they appear?

Mr.Frag -> RE: Aussie Affair, Beta's Twilight (6/21/2004 4:58:20 AM)
quote: How does 'reform' work? Are they set to pop up in X city everytime or does the player have control over where they appear? Arrives in Chungking. Thats why he's not going to take it [:D]

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