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TexasLt -> Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:01:22 AM)

Sitting in my closet I have this mammoth box containing a Board Wargame from 1985 called..."Pacific War: The Struggle Against Japan 1941-1945." Individual Capital Ships, air groups, divisions/battalions. 100 Miles Per Hex. Monthly Turns, daily movement.

I was wondering if this 1980s board wargame was the inspiration for the current computer version? Or an inspiration for the first PC Pacific War Game of the 1990s??

I remember I never actually played the Board Version. It was an administrative monster!! But hey! Now we have the computer to handle all the administrivia..[:)]



emorbius44 -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:13:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TexasLt

Sitting in my closet I have this mammoth box containing a Board Wargame from 1985 called..."Pacific War: The Struggle Against Japan 1941-1945." Individual Capital Ships, air groups, divisions/battalions. 100 Miles Per Hex. Monthly Turns, daily movement.

I was wondering if this 1980s board wargame was the inspiration for the current computer version? Or an inspiration for the first PC Pacific War Game of the 1990s??

I remember I never actually played the Board Version. It was an administrative monster!! But hey! Now we have the computer to handle all the administrivia..[:)]



I'd say the original pacwar was the inspiration, or rather this WITP is what what Grigsby would have liked to have done 12 years ago. Pacwar went through two major re-designs and at one point was more similar to WITP, though the 640k limitation at the time and much smaller computers obviously limited things.
I have the victory game you are talking about but really if any board game is similar to WITP it's SPI's game that came out in 1977, called WITP.[:)] Had 7 maps, several thousand counters, etc. Made the victory game look small. Wish I had kept them (had two games for extra counters.)

Bob



pad152 -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:18:25 AM)

My guess is it's based on Gary Grigsby's past Pacfic war games.

Guadalcannal Campaign
War in the South Pacific
Gary Grigsby's Pacific War (PacWar)
Uncommon Valor
War in the Pacific



stretch -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:19:49 AM)

I played the board version. Solitaire unfortunately. I recall it was a big pain in the ass with activation points for Japanese units or something like that.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:24:55 AM)

I still have it. Played the Wake Island Relief scenario, loved it, but could not find another bud to play it after Frank (PacWar buddy) got posted elsewhere. Late teens in between dates is a very small window to get serious gaming in.[;)]



Bosun -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:27:01 AM)

I had a bud and we played for 2 years and had no satisfactory conclusion.Too many rule interpretations you know, but we did have a great time



Jonny_B -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:27:21 AM)

[:)][:)][:)]

Mr. pad152:


If the original Pacific War game had the same ground force look as War in Russia, with separate land combat units and a hex playing grid, that would have been the ultimate game of the 90’s.



Platoonist -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 8:18:23 AM)

Hey....we can still play Victory Games old Pacific War on my scanner...here lemme set up my pieces...

[img]http://ruhkarv.homestead.com/files/CounterConfusion.jpg[/img]



Bosun -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 8:58:16 AM)

That is just a blast from the past, we had to ban the cats after they nuked the board once.



2Stepper -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 12:46:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bosun

That is just a blast from the past, we had to ban the cats after they nuked the board once.


Oh LORDY! Tell me something I don't know. I have a copy of the game myself in near mint condition. I have a lil hellion of a cat that would just LOVE to chew up all the lil cardboard counters. Considering the fact that the game is worth a little money now (75-150 bucks to a collector I THINK), I want to save it... But let me tell ya despite the advent of WiTP, I get tempted to play it... [8D]



Feinder -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 5:22:17 PM)

We used to say that our cats killed more Panzers than Patton ever did.

And I happen to have a the Strategic Scenario for "Pacific War" set up in my (home) office right now.

[:D]

-F-



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 5:43:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bosun

That is just a blast from the past, we had to ban the cats after they nuked the board once.


This is one of those things which unify people beyond the boundaries of nation and race [:D]



Grotius -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:06:33 PM)

Nice map scan, Platoonist. Looks like it was a fun game. One question: the map seems to be oriented with south facing "up." Is the southern half the other way around?



Hirose -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:36:15 PM)

That scan does bring back memories! Does anyone remember Pear Harbor, I think it was published by GDW? Also AH's Pacific version of Third Reich, Rising Sun I beleive? Many, many a day, week, month was spent playing these. I am so glad that WITP has been done, it seems that only the European Theater gets any treatment these days! Thanks Matrix and 2by3 for keeping us Pac Rats happy!

Cheers



Mr.Frag -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:37:55 PM)

You know whats funny, that type of clean map makes it very easy to absorb information quickly. Something to be said for it.



tsimmonds -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:39:46 PM)

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that type of clean map makes it very easy to absorb information quickly.

Absorbs soft drinks, coffee and beer pretty quickly too.



Slick91 -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:40:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bosun

That is just a blast from the past, we had to ban the cats after they nuked the board once.


Ha Ha! Oh yeah, I remember those days well!

Did anyone ever bump the table with your knee when you got up to get a beer? Many a fight was started with a little tap that sent those stacks of counters flying!

Ahhhhh…the good old days. [sm=duel.gif]



Mr.Frag -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:41:20 PM)

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Did anyone ever bump the table with your knee when you got up to get a beer? Many a fight was started with a little tap that sent those stacks of counters flying!


We had a *bump* rule for that very reason. Used to be a standard tactic when you were doing poorly. [:D]



tsimmonds -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 6:42:22 PM)

We always mounted the map on a piece of steel bolted top the wall and put the counters in those magnetic counter clips; we had thousands of the things....if a big stack would happen to fall from near the top of the map though, it could take an entire front down with it.



Toro -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 10:06:34 PM)

Sometimes I take out those old board games and just look at the maps and counters. Like reminiscing old times...



Damien Thorn -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 10:42:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Feinder

We used to say that our cats killed more Panzers than Patton ever did.
[:D]

-F-



Real wargamers would never own a cat. [:-]



Feinder -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 10:46:12 PM)

(* chuckle *)

Well, my wife has two cats, both of them love to play Godzilla with my gaming table. But then again, my wife likes watching the History Channel, and I think she actually enjoyed Band of Brothers more than I did, so how cool is that...?!

[:'(]

-F-



GameTester -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 10:54:54 PM)

Interesting game. They had wargames before computers? [:D]



Pascal_slith -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 10:58:38 PM)

Here's a question to ponder. Why do we not play these paper and counter wargames more often?



kev_uk -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 11:01:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GameTester

Interesting game. They had wargames before computers? [:D]


I think HG Wells is responsible....



tsimmonds -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 11:02:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pascal

Here's a question to ponder. Why do we not play these paper and counter wargames more often?

1) Takes forever[>:]
2) No PBEM[:(]
3) Bookkeeping.......[X(]



kaleun -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 11:05:08 PM)

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1) Takes forever 3) Bookkeeping.......


So: In what way is it going to be different from WITP?[:)]
It will take forever, and the bookkeeping will be challenging.
If we ever get the download, that is...
[8|]



Pascal_slith -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 11:12:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pascal

Here's a question to ponder. Why do we not play these paper and counter wargames more often?

1) Takes forever[>:]
2) No PBEM[:(]
3) Bookkeeping.......[X(]


no pbem? what about ADC 2, Cyberboard, etc......??



Yank -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 11:26:20 PM)

Feinder, that is indeed very cool. Hang on to her!



mdiehl -> RE: Victory Games 1985 - Pacific War (6/29/2004 11:38:13 PM)

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Why do we not play these paper and counter wargames more often?


What mean you by "we?"

Every Friday evening more or less for the last 5 years. [:D]

Pacific War (VG) was one that we never had the patience to try to learn, although the detailed action made it seem as though it might be worth it. We played A3R (AH), Totaler Krieg (Decision, it's quite good), Pacific Battles Vol 1: "Rising Sun" (Decision, it sucks), AWAW (GMT, like A3R on steroids), Flat Top (AH), Bismarck (AH), WW2PTO (SPI/TSR, pretty good game), and Korea (VG). Also, ASL about 1 Saturday per month.



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