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pyaeen -> First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:34:34 PM)
Who can playing as Japan and can sunk few ships in first turn pearl harbour surprise attack? I try many times and none of one can sink any one captial ship! Every time only 2-3 BB serious damage with other on fire. Few times all my planes use bomb only... what the hell is torp planes go???

Erik Rutins -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:36:10 PM)
pyaeen, Do you have the historical first turn and surprise options on (and also no variable first turn deployment, which give a chance at an alert posture)? I just ran through Turn 1 in the grand campaign last night and lost four BBs to bombs and torpedos before Turn 1 even ended, two more are in the 70+ sys damage 50+ float damage range. Regards, - Erik

Brady -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:39:21 PM)
Aparently thies is a lot of variance in the outcome of the Pearl Harbor atack, in the Game I am playing now with Historical Turn one set, I had one BB sink, her magizine was hit and she literaly Blew up aparently, all the other ships will live to fight another day and No torpedoes were launced at all.

pyaeen -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:39:26 PM)
Thanks Erik your fast respond. I have set historical first turn and surprise options on.... Recently two times for see the actual results I play Jap and US at the same time, its really nothing sunk.

Brady -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:41:04 PM)
Atack on Pearl Harbor Historic First turn: ............................. Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 P-26A x 8 P-36A Mohawk x 2 P-40B Tomahawk x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged D3A Val: 21 destroyed, 51 damaged B5N Kate: 15 destroyed, 22 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 6 damaged P-26A: 12 destroyed, 1 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 40 destroyed, 22 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 54 destroyed, 40 damaged SBD Dauntless: 15 destroyed, 10 damaged PBY Catalina: 39 destroyed, 47 damaged B-18A Bolo: 25 destroyed, 31 damaged B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed, 19 damaged A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied Ships BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 8, on fire BB Arizona, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 5, on fire BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 13, on fire BB Maryland, Bomb hits 16, on fire, heavy damage CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Cassin, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB California, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD Worden, Bomb hits 1, on fire AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DM Ramsay, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AR Medusa, Bomb hits 1, on fire CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, on fire Allied ground losses: 123 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 46 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 182 Aircraft Attacking: 14 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 15 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 18 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 17 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet [img]http://www.myphotodrive.com//uploads/686_P1a.JPG[/img] .................. Aparently from what I gather the computer makes a die role to determine if any of the torp capable planes will cary a torp, and in this case non made the cut so to speak.

pyaeen -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:49:01 PM)
my another try: ay Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 P-26A x 5 P-36A Mohawk x 3 P-40B Tomahawk x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged D3A Val: 17 destroyed, 57 damaged B5N Kate: 7 destroyed, 25 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 11 destroyed, 3 damaged P-26A: 14 destroyed, 2 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 43 destroyed, 24 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 63 destroyed, 44 damaged PBY Catalina: 47 destroyed, 41 damaged SBD Dauntless: 10 destroyed, 14 damaged B-18A Bolo: 20 destroyed, 17 damaged A-20B Boston: 10 destroyed, 5 damaged B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed, 11 damaged Allied Ships BB California, Bomb hits 10, on fire BB Maryland, Bomb hits 11, on fire DD Alwin, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 6, on fire BB Arizona, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6, on fire BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, on fire BB Nevada, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1 AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1 DD Ward, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DM Tracy, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP U.S. Grant, Bomb hits 1 CL Helena, Bomb hits 1 Allied ground losses: 121 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Airbase hits 59 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 158

Mike Scholl -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pyaeen Who can playing as Japan and can sunk few ships in first turn pearl harbour surprise attack? I try many times and none of one can sink any one captial ship! Every time only 2-3 BB serious damage with other on fire. Few times all my planes use bomb only... what the hell is torp planes go??? Sounds good. My first attempt (as the US) I had 3 BB's SUNK and the rest beat up along with a number of other craft and 75% of Oahu's airpower. Wanna swap?

Hammer2001 -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 6:58:07 PM)
As Japanesse player Historical first turn and surprise. 4x BBs and 1x dDD. 259 allied air loses. As Allied, same options, 2x BBs (Oklahoma and West Virginia) and 1x DM. 300+ aircraft destroyed all theatre

Ron Saueracker -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:00:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brady Aparently thies is a lot of variance in the outcome of the Pearl Harbor atack, in the Game I am playing now with Historical Turn one set, I had one BB sink, her magizine was hit and she literaly Blew up aparently, all the other ships will live to fight another day and No torpedoes were launced at all. Well, only Arizona was dealt the death blow at PH. Even Oklahoma was raised but it was decided that there was no point in refitting her given her age and class. I remember seeing a picture of the refloated Oklahoma berthed beside Wisconsin at PH...looked like a toy from another age.

pyaeen -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:02:45 PM)
wanna see another result [;)] Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 P-26A x 8 P-36A Mohawk x 3 P-40B Tomahawk x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 19 destroyed, 7 damaged D3A Val: 14 destroyed, 50 damaged B5N Kate: 23 destroyed, 36 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 11 destroyed, 4 damaged P-26A: 15 destroyed, 1 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 41 destroyed, 17 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 63 destroyed, 54 damaged PBY Catalina: 49 destroyed, 42 damaged A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged SBD Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 17 damaged B-18A Bolo: 25 destroyed, 11 damaged B-17E Fortress: 6 destroyed, 15 damaged Allied Ships BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB California, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 3, on fire BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7, on fire BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire DD Case, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1 CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1 CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1 Allied ground losses: 102 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 50 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 169 ---------------------------- still no captial ship sunk. BB West Virginia 94 sys 64 flt; BB Tennessee 68 sys 21 flt. all others 2x-4x sys damage. But torp planes here this time lol.

WhoCares -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:09:47 PM)
Loaded the big campaign the first time yesterday, to play a bit with Pearl Harbour, always w/o historical first turn, but surprise attack and no variation and no FoW to get precise results for analysis. Didn't change anything else but the TF1 airwings, mostly let fighters (two squads as escord & LCAP) and dive bombers do strafe attacks (<100ft) against airfields and port, while setting the torp. bombers at 1000ft in the hope that they use some fishes. The first time it did it this way, they must have been not very surprised - ~30% of the planes went down, and ~60% got damaged, all by AA... However, two BBs and one or two smaller ships went down, with significant damage to several other BBs (unfortunatly, I left Allies to AI, so not so precise results this turn [>:]) In several other attempts with pretty much the same settings to the airwings, I mostly scored 2 BBs and one or two small ships, at least once with additionally 5 BBs with >50% sys. damage (1>90, 1>80), but never again such losses to my airwings (once even with only 2 bombers down [X(]) And finally, I decided to try another attack the second day. In the night, evil AI Allies launched a PT attack against TF1, severly hitting a CV and a CL [:-]

pyaeen -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:17:35 PM)
Another try, it seems may be my computer want me to play US side first? [&o] Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 P-26A x 8 P-36A Mohawk x 5 P-40B Tomahawk x 12 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 19 destroyed, 3 damaged D3A Val: 27 destroyed, 55 damaged B5N Kate: 21 destroyed, 33 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 11 destroyed, 3 damaged P-26A: 15 destroyed, 2 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 25 destroyed, 17 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 49 destroyed, 40 damaged SBD Dauntless: 12 destroyed, 13 damaged PBY Catalina: 37 destroyed, 45 damaged B-17E Fortress: 8 destroyed, 17 damaged B-18A Bolo: 19 destroyed, 17 damaged A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed, 13 damaged Allied Ships BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9 BB Nevada, Bomb hits 10, on fire BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1 AP St. Mihel, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 3, on fire BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Castor, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1 Allied ground losses: 135 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 53 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 159

BoerWar -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:24:55 PM)
Pyaeen, Do you have fog of war turned on? In my game I know I sank the Enterprise because I drove through the oil slick, but the computer hasn't reported it yet. You may have done better than you think.

ZOOMIE1980 -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:25:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl quote: ORIGINAL: pyaeen Who can playing as Japan and can sunk few ships in first turn pearl harbour surprise attack? I try many times and none of one can sink any one captial ship! Every time only 2-3 BB serious damage with other on fire. Few times all my planes use bomb only... what the hell is torp planes go??? Sounds good. My first attempt (as the US) I had 3 BB's SUNK and the rest beat up along with a number of other craft and 75% of Oahu's airpower. Wanna swap? I've played turn one six times now with Historical and Surprise turned on. At one extreme I had only 6 BB's even hit, not critically. At the other I had 4 BB's sunk and the other four seriously damaged and will likely lose 3 of them if I attempt to move them anywhere and that strike had quite a few torpedo hits in it. Bottom line, HIGHLY variable outcomes... Same with Wake. 4 out of 6 times Wake holds. They took it twice.

pyaeen -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:36:07 PM)
Hi BoerWar, After try many time but results like I post here. For sure the result, recently few times I play head to head myself and see exactly what damage to US fleet in Pearl Harbour. It just as ZOOMIE1980 says, HIGHLY variable outcomes... But I can sure today it is not lucky day for me to play as Japan [:(]

The Gnome -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 7:36:15 PM)
Just wait til you get an Operation Home Plate result and 2CV and 2BB end up sitting in the silt.

ltfightr -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 8:11:02 PM)
I have run the Pearl strikes about 12 times with the historical 1st turn on and dec 7thh suprise on assuming that if every thing is modeled correctly we should get historical like results. So far for the most part I have seen historical results on most of them 1-3bbs sunk and 1-2 light vessels several damaged ships. IIRC only 2 Pearl Battleships were not returned to service the Arizona and the Oklahoma. The Combat model appears to me to be correct luck plays a part in war and the results I have seen appear to be realistic yet random enough for replayability. If not some random ability the game might as well start Dec 8th with historical losses.

Feinder -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 8:26:18 PM)
There is definately some variance in 1st turn attacks at PH. I usually see 1 BB sunk, and a lot of "that had to hurt", but they will all recover. Really, there were very FEW historical (complete) losses at PH. Arizona, was the only BB that was never raised, and Oklahoma was written off as a total loss and sent for scrap. All the rest did come back (you can't count Utah, she was a target ship). And the only other ship written off was Oglala. I'll throw this in regards to PH however... I think the repair rate (for the facilities) is wasy too fast. It only took 3 days to repair about 60-60-60 damage to the facilities. I'm still reading the historical AARs (available on-line, how cool is that?!), but it seems that 3 days is pretty ambitious to put the place back in order. My 2 pfennigs. -F-

Charles2222 -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 8:46:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins pyaeen, Do you have the historical first turn and surprise options on (and also no variable first turn deployment, which give a chance at an alert posture)? I just ran through Turn 1 in the grand campaign last night and lost four BBs to bombs and torpedos before Turn 1 even ended, two more are in the 70+ sys damage 50+ float damage range. Regards, - Erik That's amazing Eric, especially considering how I've out of approx. 13 attempts have had a maximum of one BB going down on 3 occasions (just the first turn though). Oh, I forgot to add that every run attempt were with historical 1st turn with surprise (I'm Japanese). One thing those who "don't" see BB losses may be missing, is that I have never seen a ship sunk during the combat phase or it's report. The sinking doesn't occur until several phases in the display window have gone through (you have to watch that window to catch them). Of course, if you go into inteeligence that will show you the losses that window did. I think a lot of us, at least early on, are expecting the target will sink as we're watching the combat, like PW did, but it don't appear to work that way.

ltfightr -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 9:00:29 PM)
In the turns I ran I have seen 1 with 4 sunk bb's and 1 with 0 the rest fall in between.

WhoCares -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 10:16:08 PM)
Now I played the thing again, pretty much with the settings above (2x Fighter escort, other Fighters+2x Dive Bomber strafe airports, rest of the DB and all Torpedo Bombers strafe port. Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged D3A Val: 30 destroyed, 59 damaged B5N Kate: 46 destroyed, 66 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged P-26A: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 30 destroyed, 23 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 59 destroyed, 51 damaged B-18A Bolo: 17 destroyed, 20 damaged PBY Catalina: 44 destroyed, 44 damaged SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged B-17E Fortress: 9 destroyed, 10 damaged A-20B Boston: 8 destroyed, 12 damaged Allied Ships BB Arizona, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage BB Nevada, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 17, on fire, heavy damage BB California, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage ML Ogalala, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Ward, Bomb hits 1 AK Mercury, Bomb hits 1, on fire PT PT-42, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW Tern, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Laida, Bomb hits 1, on fire AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire ThreeBBs missing (Arizona, Pennsylvania, Tennessee) => sunk [:D] [image]local://upfiles/12742/Tr501046735.jpg[/image]

Charles2222 -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 10:27:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoCares Now I played the thing again, pretty much with the settings above (2x Fighter escort, other Fighters+2x Dive Bomber strafe airports, rest of the DB and all Torpedo Bombers strafe port. Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged D3A Val: 30 destroyed, 59 damaged B5N Kate: 46 destroyed, 66 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged P-26A: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 30 destroyed, 23 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 59 destroyed, 51 damaged B-18A Bolo: 17 destroyed, 20 damaged PBY Catalina: 44 destroyed, 44 damaged SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged B-17E Fortress: 9 destroyed, 10 damaged A-20B Boston: 8 destroyed, 12 damaged Allied Ships BB Arizona, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage BB Nevada, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 17, on fire, heavy damage BB California, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage ML Ogalala, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Ward, Bomb hits 1 AK Mercury, Bomb hits 1, on fire PT PT-42, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW Tern, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Laida, Bomb hits 1, on fire AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire ThreeBBs missing (Arizona, Pennsylvania, Tennessee) => sunk [:D] [image]local://upfiles/12742/Tr501046735.jpg[/image] How did you do that? Your screenprint I mean. I tried an attachment yesterday as a jpg file from a Tojo screenshot and the blasted thing claimed the file was too large (it did have a picture of the Tojo on it if that matters [it wasn't all text in other words]).

Pascal_slith -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 11:08:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ltfightr I have run the Pearl strikes about 12 times with the historical 1st turn on and dec 7thh suprise on assuming that if every thing is modeled correctly we should get historical like results. Sorry to put some water in your wine (a French expression), but the benchmark as to the validity of the model is NOT the historical outcome. The historical outcome itself could be an "extreme" result....

ltfightr -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 11:25:50 PM)
That may be true but it is what actually happened and therefore is a standard by which we can measure. We can argue what if's but the acctual damage can be assesed.

WhoCares -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/7/2004 11:50:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles_22 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoCares Now I played the thing again, pretty much with the settings above (2x Fighter escort, other Fighters+2x Dive Bomber strafe airports, rest of the DB and all Torpedo Bombers strafe port. ... removed image How did you do that? Your screenprint I mean. I tried an attachment yesterday as a jpg file from a Tojo screenshot and the blasted thing claimed the file was too large (it did have a picture of the Tojo on it if that matters [it wasn't all text in other words]). There is a limit to images of 200kB, so you should reduce your image size or quality to upload it here. and ontopic: running the turn with the same settings as above, except suprise disabled turned out with just a CL sunk, but still some BBs severly damaged (2x90, 4 more >60)

von Murrin -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/8/2004 3:50:21 AM)
Ok, I just had to post this one. Owwww... Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 P-26A x 8 P-36A Mohawk x 5 P-40B Tomahawk x 11 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed, 6 damaged D3A Val: 25 destroyed, 32 damaged B5N Kate: 21 destroyed, 39 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 4 damaged P-26A: 15 destroyed, 1 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 48 destroyed, 17 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 71 destroyed, 41 damaged PBY Catalina: 47 destroyed, 42 damaged B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged B-18A Bolo: 22 destroyed, 23 damaged SBD Dauntless: 11 destroyed, 13 damaged A-20B Boston: 12 destroyed, 10 damaged Allied Ships BB California, Bomb hits 13, on fire BB Nevada, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, on fire BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage BB Arizona, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Maryland, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire PG Sacramento, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Litchfield, Bomb hits 1, on fire AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1 DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire DM Montgomery, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, on fire Allied ground losses: 110 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Airbase hits 53 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 178 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 14 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 26 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 14 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 25 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 18 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 15 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 26 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet

Arnir -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/8/2004 7:28:05 AM)
Here's mine. Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 P-26A x 8 P-36A Mohawk x 2 P-40B Tomahawk x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 22 destroyed, 5 damaged D3A Val: 14 destroyed, 45 damaged B5N Kate: 10 destroyed, 41 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 7 destroyed, 6 damaged P-26A: 17 destroyed P-36A Mohawk: 25 destroyed, 11 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 71 destroyed, 31 damaged PBY Catalina: 31 destroyed, 69 damaged SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 13 damaged A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed, 10 damaged B-17E Fortress: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged B-18A Bolo: 20 destroyed, 22 damaged Allied Ships BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1 CL Detroit, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Arizona, Bomb hits 3, on fire CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire BB California, Bomb hits 4 DD Ward, Bomb hits 1 BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Dewey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Phoenix, Torpedo hits 1 DD Hull, Bomb hits 1 Allied ground losses: 122 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 54 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 169 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 27 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 14 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 15 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 17 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 17 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 17 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 26 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet [image]local://upfiles/7758/Li208755475.jpg[/image] The Maryland didn't make it.

Faker than Hollywood -> RE: First turn pearl harbour surprise attack (7/8/2004 8:52:03 AM)
Are any IJN Japs trying to invade Hawaii and sieze Pearl ? Is anyone trying to sieze the oil stocks and machine shops ? Is anyone Launching additional strikes to destroy the oil stocks and machine shops ? If Pearl's oil and machine shops are left intact or perhaps if Hawaii is left in American hands how can the long range PTO outcome result in IJN victory ? Is anyone considering a Rommel DAK-type supply-siezure of Pearl's USN inventories ? Can you flush the USN aircraft carriers out forcing them to defend Pearl by sending in surface bombard units to conduct main gun Hawaiian urban renewal followed-up by a SNLF or other sea borne invasion ? Can the IJN fleet carriers refuel at Pearl if you sieze the Harbor ? Thanks. Bansai/Victory at Sea ! http://victoryatseaonline.com/ There are many who say that the Japanese would have been wise to have attacked with a third strike to destroy the oil storage facilities, machine shops and dry docks at Pearl Harbor. Destruction of these facilities would have greatly increased the U.S. Navy's difficulties as the nearest Fleet facilities would have been several thousand miles east of Hawaii on the West Coast of the States. Admiral Nagumo declined to order a third strike for several reasons. http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/en/wikipedia/a/at/attack_on_pearl_harbor.html http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=353262 San Francisco, US-- Between July 1940 and April of 1941, during a petroleum embargo, 9,200,000 barrels of gasoline went to Japan. Navy intelligence identified and tracked eight Japanese tankers during that period. Most loaded up at the docks at Port Costa and delivered the fuel directly to Tokuyama, the main storage facility for the Japanese fleet. http://www.cocohistory.com/essays-pearlharbor.html

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