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Nomad -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 12:25:15 AM)
John, this is what size and composition of ACTF I would expect Andy to bring( I have not read his AAR in a while so I am not really giving you any info from him, just what I would have from your AAR ) He should be able to put 4 of these together and still have some BBs and CA left for SCTFs. [image]local://upfiles/4176/A761E96A9E124A0499B146CF9D4555FA.jpg[/image]

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 2:14:36 AM)
The reason my artillery unit is so small Veji is that Andy has bombed it repeatedly for months [:'(] Those LCUs are pretty good, but I don't think Andy will come short handed this time. I'm aware of the growing strenght of the Allies Ken and that's the reason why I decided to keep the Combined Fleet in port and watch the debacle unfold. Told Andy I considered sending the entire fleet after him...should keep him on his toes [;)] Pretty certain that I would have lost more than I can afford if I decided to intervene. My damaged ships would have been hunted down by enemy carriers at sea or in port and the KB is no longer capable of engaging the US carrier fleet without substantial suppport from LBA. The atolls in the Marshalls can not provide this support. So Andy can wear his army and navy down occupying the Marshalls while we rest, repair and prepare for the decisive battles that will come in 1944. Believe me, it was difficult to subdue my samurai spirit, but it's only logical to save our strength at this stage. When the Marianas or the Philippines comes under attack we will face and defeat the enemy in a great battle! Thinking about training a few select air units in China until they reach an average of 90 exp and try to use them in a night role. Spotted a couple of enemy transports near the Kormoran islands today - sending 2 destroyers to intercept them. The Kaga joined the fleet at Ulithi..thinking about sending out a fast carrier force towards Andys invasion force to scare him. Perhaps we can make him divide his fleets and create opportunities for our LBA? AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/08/43 Enemy invasion force The TFs just below the ones on the picture contains more carriers! Looks like the whole US fleet is on the move. [image]local://upfiles/1466/70B1C7EBB58942C5909081CB2946E297.gif[/image]

soeren01 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 10:16:13 AM)
Maybe you should evac the 6th fleet. It will not help you in combat but could help somewhere else .

saj42 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 3:44:50 PM)
As soeren01 says, you might consider withdrawing the 6th Fleet HQ. Oh and 24th Air Flotilla HQ as well. No point in sacrificing them at this point. Use air transports out of Eniwetok to pick them up then FT them back to Marianna's. - just a thought from an avid AAR follower.

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 6:01:39 PM)
I've been evacuating a construction and AA unit with barges...airfields at Kwajalein are closed so air transport hasn't been an option for a while. Thought Andy would finish at Maloelap before turning to the 'capital' of the Marshalls. So I'm not sure it'll be possible to get the HQs out in time. Thx for reading guys! [8D]

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 6:24:27 PM)
As I think, with airfield closed it is still possible to evac at least fragment of HQ with your flying boats... At least allies can with their Catalinas. Think you should at least try it.

Sneer -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 6:37:02 PM)
flying boats are good idea - I'd evac cadres of each HQ and even each unit if your pools are not dry

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 7:14:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer flying boats are good idea - I'd evac cadres of each HQ and even each unit if your pools are not dry good idea ! , the HK6 Mavis transports would be ideal for this job. HUGH range and 1/2 decent load too.

Mynok -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 11:13:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nomad John, this is what size and composition of ACTF I would expect Andy to bring( I have not read his AAR in a while so I am not really giving you any info from him, just what I would have from your AAR ) He should be able to put 4 of these together and still have some BBs and CA left for SCTFs. [image]local://upfiles/4176/A761E96A9E124A0499B146CF9D4555FA.jpg[/image] GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! 11000 AA rating?!?!? [X(] [X(] [X(] Man, I knew I shoulda played a game as the allies once before starting this PBEM thing...... "Hara Kiri" must Japanese for "Naval Attack"........[:(]

Mike Solli -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 11:19:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer flying boats are good idea - I'd evac cadres of each HQ and even each unit if your pools are not dry good idea ! , the HK6 Mavis transports would be ideal for this job. HUGH range and 1/2 decent load too. Do you have any of the H6K-L2 Mavis Transports? Nice long range. Tinas are nice too. What size is the airfield?

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 11:19:53 PM)
Well, I wasn't talking about transport version of H6K... because as I remember game treats them as a normal transport plane and it will not fly to closed base. But normal patrol planes will.

Mike Solli -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 11:20:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos Well, I wasn't talking about transport version of H6K... because as I remember game treats them as a normal transport plane and it will not fly to closed base. But normal patrol planes will. It doesn't? Well, that sucks.

Arstavidios -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 11:27:20 PM)
Floatplanes are great for moving troops around. You can fly reinforcements in and out. If he invades a base you can rush reinforcements were they are needed. You should be able to move 1000 troops a day using your foatplanes. Japanese floatplanes have a great range. You can have a central reserve with floaplanes and troops. From there you can cover most of the threatened area and move in troops to respond to invasions. This will make you a fast reaction force.

Mynok -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/6/2006 11:42:47 PM)
Just be careful of LRHellCAP cause it will eat them up. I've not tried it but do Patrols on transport fly at night? Could night pickups be done?

Arstavidios -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 12:09:12 AM)
Well don't know what the effect of LRCAP on air transport will be. Sweeps seem to cancel the mission. I'm using them extensively as the allies and it works well. I've had over 200 PBY ferrying troops in the SRA, but I'm a floatplane transport fanboy. So far I have not had any air transport missions involved in air combat but that does not mean much. Air transport seems to occur in a specific air phase so there may be the same issue as with air mining It's possible to move huge numbers of troops fast without risking precious ships. I think it's well worth trying. You can try with a Chutai or two. If it works you can send more. I guess the main issue is you never have enough floatplanes. I think betties can take over part of the naval search while the float planes are carrying troops. Aso beware the air transport bug. You cannot fly troop transport at night.

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 12:19:19 AM)
Andy didn't invade Kwajalein this turn: the big fleet gathers just to west of the atolls! Had hoped the invasion would damage some ships and split up TFs for my naval bombers.When this didn't materialize the small strikes that went in were obliterated by the 300 ac CAP. The annoying thing is that ALL naval bombers are suckered into attacking the most valuable targets - which are also the most heavily defended ones. Less valuable TFs are often avoided altogether even though they have a much weaker CAP. For now I will wait until the invasion force lands and takes casualties (I hope) before trying to send in even small raids. Considered whether Andy might try to move past Kawajalein and go for Eniwetok instead but this would hardly save him much effort... Allied flak is just an annoyance compared to the force field put up by the CAP fighters Mynok - but I need to go in with highly experienced naval bombers to stand a chance to score hits in such a 'hot' environment. Glad I wasn't destined to become a Jap naval pilot in WWII.. Will try to use some Mavis search planes to move out HQ fragments - tried this on closed bases before without much luck. Perhaps I just have to be persistent :-] Thx for the advice guys! I'll consider putting together a float plane transport fleet - can't loose all my highly experienced Mavis' in such operations though. Heard they make excellent night kamikazes [:'(] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/09/43 Air Combat Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 8 G4M2 Betty x 11 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 F6F Hellcat x 191 Corsair IV x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed G4M2 Betty: 11 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 2 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 F6F Hellcat x 191 Corsair IV x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 F6F Hellcat x 191 Corsair IV x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 2 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 F6F Hellcat x 191 Corsair IV x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 F6F Hellcat x 191 Corsair IV x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 F6F Hellcat x 191 Corsair IV x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 7 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 48 F6F Hellcat x 195 Corsair IV x 12 P-40N Warhawk x 3 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 6 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 7 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 48 F6F Hellcat x 192 Corsair IV x 12 P-40N Warhawk x 1 P-38G Lightning x 1 P-38J Lightning x 3 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 80,78 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 4 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 48 F6F Hellcat x 207 Corsair IV x 12 P-40N Warhawk x 3 P-38G Lightning x 3 P-38J Lightning x 6 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 4 destroyed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Arstavidios -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 12:28:29 AM)
Try and see if floatplane transport works. Rushing a few thousand troops to an attacked base can be really nasty. You don't need to send the whole unit. If the base falls the parent unit wil replace its losses. Probably the best use of aircraft you can make at the moment if it works.

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 5:48:05 AM)
Here's the good thing Arstavidios: I got all the troops I want in most of my bases by now! [8D] I'm trying to keep the number of troops on atolls moderate. Andy is going to need a heavy hammer even to smash even my modest presence on Kwajalein. In real life there were some 6k Japs on Tarawa and they would have needed hotels to lodge anymore...me thinks the game should incur heavy penalties for overstacking..but since this isn't the case a house rule may be needed. But first I'd like to see whether Andy is up to the task or not. It is likely that large scale air and sea bombardments will cause much more casualties than they did historically and thus even things out a bit. My hope is that the game can remain interesting for both me and Andy until it ends (in a Japanese victory of course :-) [:D]

Arstavidios -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 5:15:18 PM)
Well you're done with the good days now. You may still get some opportunities to inflict local setbacks on the allies and slow him down.

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 5:58:33 PM)
This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.....

Fishbed -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:07:55 PM)
I go to bed now, but tomorrow when I wake up, I want BLOOD, that suspense for 3 days is simply too much! [:D][;)] Good night all, I'll try to dream about a beach with dead digital marines all over the place, hope it will materialize when I awake! [:'(] [>:][>:]

Arstavidios -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:43:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning..... Maybe something like the middle of the middle :)

Terminus -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:44:49 PM)
Channelling Churchill, eh?

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:52:58 PM)
I will do my best...err worst [;)] Andy is getting into position: his ac and ships have started to bombard Kwajalein and several TFs have moved into the target area. There are some 100 enemy ac on CAP over Kwajalein so I'm not going to send my Emily's to pick up anything...a small force of barges will attempt to get away with parts of the Naval HQ though. Ok, so we can't penetrate Andy's force field with conventional air strikes - so it's time to try another approach. I know how devastatingly effective experienced B-17s are against enemy ships when put on naval search. Sooo I've put 80 highly experienced Bettys around Kwajalein on 100% naval search [8D] Perhaps this is the way to achieve 'leakers'? Starting with an altitude of 30k feet - if no results are achieved I will lower it. Hoping to hear Andy scream soon [&o] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/10/43 Bombardments A series of bombardments didn't cause overly heavy casualties! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1068 encounters mine field at Kwajalein (79,79) Allied Ships DMS Perry DMS Boggs DD Norman DD Henley DD Buchanan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Kwajalein, at 79,79 Allied Ships BB Idaho Japanese ground losses: 488 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 9 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Kwajalein, at 79,79 Allied Ships CL Helena CL Concord CL Emerald BB Alabama BB South Dakota BB North Carolina Japanese ground losses: 380 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 30 Port hits 1 Port fuel hits 3 Port supply hits 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Kwajalein, at 79,79 Allied Ships DD Kennison DD Sampson DD Welles DD Farenholt DD Lansdowne CL Richmond CL Tromp BB Colorado Japanese ground losses: 69 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 28 Port hits 3 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Heavy pounding of the Admiralities... Day Air attack on Admiralty Islands , at 58,84 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 21 A-20G Havoc x 16 B-25J Mitchell x 125 PB4Y Liberator x 8 B-24J Liberator x 39 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-46-III Dinah: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 115 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Airbase hits 21 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 229 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the kind of strike you DON'T want directed against the KB...[8\|] Day Air attack on Kwajalein Base Force, at 79,79 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 24 F6F Hellcat x 134 Corsair IV x 6 SBD Dauntless x 66 SB2C Helldiver x 194 TBM Avenger x 286 Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless: 3 damaged SB2C Helldiver: 5 damaged TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 227 casualties reported Guns lost 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enemy air strike.... [image]local://upfiles/1466/2CB28697D9E0443FB1AD65EE3BBC88C4.gif[/image]

WhoCares -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:55:52 PM)
Are HQs not supposed to respawn after a given time once destroyed? Anyway, I agree that the Fleet HQ might help more at a repair base.

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:58:32 PM)
Much more productive than channeling pictures of the prophet I'd say [8\|]

PzB74 -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 6:59:39 PM)
Never heard about this WhoCares...can anyone confirm this? Just airlifted an Air HQ from Hansa to Biak. quote: ORIGINAL: WhoCares Are HQs not supposed to respawn after a given time once destroyed? Anyway, I agree that the Fleet HQ might help more at a repair base.

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 7:11:06 PM)
Allied HQs respawn? Definetly yes (Had at least brit air HQ respawned). Japanese? Have no idea.

pauk -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 7:16:40 PM)
hm... i think they should respawn to... in 60 days?

Nomad -> RE: Marshall invasion force spotted (2/7/2006 9:40:41 PM)
Section 15.3 says that MOST HQs and Chinese units are replaced. Most HQs are returned as reinforcements. I am watching this battle close, I have a pretty good idea of what each player is facing.

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