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Zeta16 -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 6:19:19 AM)
Dude has played a great game he caught me way off guard in China and took advantage of it. In Burma I thought I had good position and my troops would be able to hold out with great bombardments and massive heavy bomber raids. To no such luck did this happen. Now my troops retreated to a lose lose place where they were cut off, which leaves India open when he gets over the jungles trails. Wobbly's and our PBEM have shown never keep any British troops in Burma.

dtravel -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 9:36:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteveV It suggests that this theater should be left on computer control and concentrate on the parts of the game that work. Except that computer control routines are buggy and cause issues with the player controlled units. And assumes that you feel safe putting any of your forces under the AI's direction. quote: ORIGINAL: SteveV Strong opinion, I know, but does anyone REALLY think that In The Real World this could have possibly happened? Sure it is fun to baby kill the Chinese with the Japs, but it is not WW2. This is, to my mind, supposed to be a simulation first and foremost, and a game second. This Chinese/Indian gambit is a game tactic, not a simulation. All IMO of course. Others? Well, I disagree. I think it has to be a game. But <twirls finger in the air> it ain't a big deal either way. As for the likelyhood of the Japanese overrunning China.... Well, keep in mind that Zeta has already admitted he wasn't really paying attention to China to start with. That kinda skews the results here, so I wouldn't panic yet. But I do agree that large scale land combat has some problems in WiTP. Just stopping the "retreat towards the enemy" routine would certainly help a lot.

Delphinium -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 10:33:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteveV I posted a similar comment on the Wobbly AAR and I want to make it clear that I am not in ANY WAY disparaging the wonderful play by the Japanese player here! With that caveat clear, this AAR and Wobbly's have highlighted that there remains major flaws in the way the game simulates the Chinese conflict. There is no way any army, much less the Japanese non-mechanized army of this era could supply 550K troops inland to Chunking. No way, no how. The game is great in the naval/air interaction and in the small invasion conflicts, but it simply fails to model the large scale land campaign in China and--upcoming in this game apparently and already present in Wobbly's fine effort--the Indian subcontinent. It suggests that this theater should be left on computer control and concentrate on the parts of the game that work. Strong opinion, I know, but does anyone REALLY think that In The Real World this could have possibly happened? Sure it is fun to baby kill the Chinese with the Japs, but it is not WW2. This is, to my mind, supposed to be a simulation first and foremost, and a game second. This Chinese/Indian gambit is a game tactic, not a simulation. All IMO of course. Others? SteveV I agree with these sentiments. My concern is that the Japanese can actually supply that size army in one concentration in China. The Japanese did not have a good record of managing logistic (Singapore camapaign/Imphal). Maybe we will have to vhange the game title to War in China (with a small Naval campaign attached) [;)] First priority for 1.4 ???

WiTP_Dude -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 10:59:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Delphinium I agree with these sentiments. My concern is that the Japanese can actually supply that size army in one concentration in China. The Japanese did not have a good record of managing logistic (Singapore camapaign/Imphal). Maybe we will have to vhange the game title to War in China (with a small Naval campaign attached) [;)] First priority for 1.4 ??? I think they need to make the Chinese situation better in the beginning. It ends up becoming a chain effect where the Chinese are always off balance and on the wrong foot.

WiTP_Dude -> Rangoon Under the Gun (11/25/2004 11:05:32 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/03/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 56,43 Finally sink a sub. Japanese Ships DD Asagao DD Namikaze DD Kamikaze DD Kikuzuki DD Sazanami DD Shinonome DD Inazuma DD Yamakaze DD Tanikaze DD Kuroshio Allied Ships SS Grunion, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,42 Japanese Ships DD Numakaze DD Satsuki DD Shiratsuyu DD Asagumo DD Yamagumo DD Natsugumo DD Tokitsukaze DD Teruzuki Allied Ships SS Grampus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 105415 troops, 1091 guns, 3 vehicles Defending force 153123 troops, 1457 guns, 1191 vehicles Allied ground losses: 81 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Rangoon doesn't have that many defenders. Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 41251 troops, 408 guns, 2 vehicles Defending force 24022 troops, 76 guns, 16 vehicles Allied ground losses: 70 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 682 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 1585 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 4 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein These 25 pounders are killers. Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 138195 troops, 1406 guns, 1104 vehicles Defending force 120122 troops, 1091 guns, 458 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 499 casualties reported Guns lost 15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Allies fail to quickly seize Gili Gili. Allied Shock attack Attacking force 777 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 2156 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 53 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 156 casualties reported Guns lost 2 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/04/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,44 Japanese Ships DD Karukaya DD Fuyo DD Sanae DD Yakaze DD Okikaze DD Hatsushima DD Hatsuharu DD Shigure DD Maikaze DD Makigumo DD Akigumo Allied Ships SS Pogy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46 These resource attacks will be over with soon. Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 18 B-24D Liberator x 6 Allied aircraft losses LB-30 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged Resources hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 8 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 9 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,44 Japanese Ships DD Karukaya DD Fuyo DD Sanae DD Yakaze DD Okikaze DD Hatsushima DD Hatsuharu DD Shigure DD Maikaze DD Makigumo DD Akigumo Allied Ships SS Pogy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Rahaeng , at 31,35 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 21 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 5 damaged Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 29,35 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 8 Wellington III x 41 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 151 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 10 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 5th Mortar Battalion, at 29,35 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 17 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 58 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 5th Mortar Battalion, at 29,35 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 65 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 214 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,44 Japanese Ships DD Karukaya DD Fuyo DD Sanae DD Yakaze DD Okikaze DD Hatsushima DD Hatsuharu DD Shigure DD Maikaze DD Makigumo DD Akigumo Allied Ships SS Pogy, hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 105272 troops, 1099 guns, 3 vehicles Defending force 152924 troops, 1451 guns, 1193 vehicles Allied ground losses: 71 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 42171 troops, 436 guns, 2 vehicles Defending force 23194 troops, 75 guns, 16 vehicles Allied ground losses: 143 casualties reported Guns lost 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 526 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 1396 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 138021 troops, 1403 guns, 1106 vehicles Defending force 119747 troops, 1099 guns, 457 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 719 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Vehicles lost 1

Captain Cruft -> Kwantung (11/25/2004 3:37:17 PM)
So you took 5 Divs out of Kwantung? I hesitate to remove one, lol. BTW I agree - the land combat model is broken in more than one place. Little chance of it getting much of it fixed though I suspect.

forranger -> RE: Kwantung (11/25/2004 4:08:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft So you took 5 Divs out of Kwantung? I hesitate to remove one, lol. Divs AND Arty AND engineers AND HQ's AND tanks...... I see 2 problems leading to this debacle for the allied side in China: 1) There should not be a single jap unit in China assigned to Kwantung command. Pay political points for the HQ change or leave these units at the russian front..... What's right for planes can't be wrong for grunts. 2) Germany's ratio of garrison troups and supply units to frontline troups in russia in WWII was what? 9:1? If the jap player can ignore scripted damage to rear bases and swing all troups to the front he should at least pay for it with supplies not coming through. A hungry soldier without ammo won't attack..... I'd say supply lines - be it in China or elsewhere - not being adequatly protected should filter down supplies going through a single base by some 50%. Assume it's for supply convois falling victim to partisans. There were millions of potential guerilla fighters in China...... Leave the second base in a supply line undergarrisoned and your troups should be unable to move forward and start starving! My 2 yen.....

moses -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 4:28:10 PM)
I'm not sure the conclusions people are making match the evidance in this game just played. 1). We have an allied player who basically admits he ignored this theater initially and didn't really know what he was doing. 2). We have a JAPAN player who shifted LARGE amounts of troops which did not participate in the campaign historically and then used them aggresivily. 3). With this force it still took him until 1943 to defeat China This says to me that the China theater is not as terribly unbalanced as some have said. It suggests to me that if we prevent the rienforcements from Russia (or at least require PP points to transfer) and play the theater seriously from the start as allies, then China is likely to hold. Now of course I agree that the land combat system is not great for the large land masses. It appears to be designed for the island war where it works fairly well and I think thats just the way its going to stay. Given that the land combat system is probably not going to be changed in a big way the following brings the theater much more into balance. 1). No Kwatang area rienforcements without tranfering to China theater. 2). Provide a short delay before Japan starts operations for the Chinese to start getting redeployed and dug in. (i.e. Japan can't move or attack except for hong kong). I think somewhere from just two days to maybe the fall of hong kong should be sufficient to stifen chinese risistance. If a code change is desired, how about this. Triple all garrison requirements in china for the first 10 days. Japan then can't move anything for a bit and probably has to spend some supplies repairing airfields and such at bases where he can't initially meet the garrison requirement.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 4:50:38 PM)
There isn't enough of a garrision requirement. Look at the picture... Chungking only requires 40 assualt points. This amounts to only about a battalion of infantry.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Kwantung (11/25/2004 4:58:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: forranger Divs AND Arty AND engineers AND HQ's AND tanks...... I see 2 problems leading to this debacle for the allied side in China: 1) There should not be a single jap unit in China assigned to Kwantung command. Pay political points for the HQ change or leave these units at the russian front..... What's right for planes can't be wrong for grunts. Actually, they could be trying to force players to keep some planes in Manchuria since they don't have many assualt points. You could potentially fly them all out without having to worry about assualt points. It is not the same with land units, as if you move too many of them you're bound to get below the 8000 level. quote: If the jap player can ignore scripted damage to rear bases and swing all troups to the front he should at least pay for it with supplies not coming through. A hungry soldier without ammo won't attack..... I'd say supply lines - be it in China or elsewhere - not being adequatly protected should filter down supplies going through a single base by some 50%. Assume it's for supply convois falling victim to partisans. There were millions of potential guerilla fighters in China...... Leave the second base in a supply line undergarrisoned and your troups should be unable to move forward and start starving! All the bases have plenty of garrisions. There really are about 750,000 free Japanese troops at the beginning of 1943 to work with, more if you haven't captured anything.

moses -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 5:15:18 PM)
Yes of course there is not enough garrison required and a million other things that make the land combat system not what you would hope for in a land combat simulatin. But this is mainly a naval/air game and I think to an extent thats just the way it is. My point was with play balance. It seems that you had significantly more forces in China then were there historically and you had an opponent who admits to having ignored the theater at start and to have not played that theater well. Given that it still took until 1943 to achieve a decisive result doesn't that imply that the play balance is not all that out of whack. Don't even want to argue about the ground combat system. Lots of problems. No question. But it seems that perhaps just a minor change or two might bring play balance into line.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: The Witch is Dead (11/25/2004 5:55:29 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/05/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 14 B-24D Liberator x 8 Allied aircraft losses B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged Resources hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 10 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 72,41 Japanese Ships DD Tachikaze DD Minegumo DD Makinami Allied Ships SS Wahoo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 49,109 Allied transport moving unescorted. Japanese Ships SS I-154 Allied Ships AK Surigao, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 29,33 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 7 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 27 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,34 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 52 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 239 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 25,56 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 4 B-25C Mitchell x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships TK Chiyoda Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet 4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Attack on Rangoon begins, hopefully this will be quick. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 52418 troops, 456 guns, 150 vehicles Defending force 22286 troops, 63 guns, 16 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 9) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 8 Japanese ground losses: 775 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Allied ground losses: 400 casualties reported Guns lost 13 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 125335 troops, 1285 guns, 1105 vehicles Defending force 118930 troops, 1096 guns, 457 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 754 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili This seems like some kind of Allied probe, best not to overeact to this sort of thing. Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 616 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 1988 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 55 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 35 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Andaman Island Why not? Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 83 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Andaman Island base !!! AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/06/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 14 Allied aircraft losses LB-30 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Resources hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 8 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported Runway hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Rahaeng , at 31,35 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 18 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 17 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 29,34 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 12 B-17E Fortress x 70 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 97 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 5th Division, at 29,35 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 10 Wellington III x 58 P-40E Warhawk x 17 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 238 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Vehicles lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 5th Division, at 29,35 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 59 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 211 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Allies seem to fleeing Burma on ships. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 51328 troops, 418 guns, 150 vehicles Defending force 17351 troops, 31 guns, 16 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 7 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 7) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 7 Japanese ground losses: 820 casualties reported Guns lost 15 Allied ground losses: 442 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 125883 troops, 1305 guns, 1114 vehicles Defending force 118052 troops, 1073 guns, 457 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 702 casualties reported Guns lost 5

SteveV -> Few thoughts (11/25/2004 6:40:03 PM)
OK, so we have an apparent problem with the model for large-scale land operations in China and, eventually, the Indian subcontinent. Ideas to kick around: 1) No Japanese attacks or movement at start of Scen 15 except for HKong for "X" days. That is one that can be house-ruled without needing any patch. Likewise, the Chinese cannot advance into any Japanese controlled areas either during this period. 2) No transfer of Kwantung army units. Either none at all, or none until, say, 1944 when they were shifted to defend close-in islands. That can be house-ruled too. 3) Logistics/supply. We are going to have difficulty with this one since it would generally require code changes. However, one fix would be to set some limits on how many Japanese units can be allowed in a given hex depending on the supply link (rail v. road v. trail) and the length of that supply line. We would have to some noodling on this. 4) On a similar note, and to make this a balanced discussion for both sides, there should also be a limit to the number of LCU's in many of the islands and atolls and corresponding hexes. The US should not be able to pile 8 Divs into an atoll the size of my back yard. Thoughts? SteveV

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Few thoughts (11/25/2004 7:12:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteveV 1) No Japanese attacks or movement at start of Scen 15 except for HKong for "X" days. That is one that can be house-ruled without needing any patch. Likewise, the Chinese cannot advance into any Japanese controlled areas either during this period. I haven't checked but someone wrote that the deployment has been updated for 1.3. If the Chinese are already in a better position at the start, this house rule will become unneeded. quote: 2) No transfer of Kwantung army units. Either none at all, or none until, say, 1944 when they were shifted to defend close-in islands. That can be house-ruled too. I'm not sure why the Kwantung OOB grows so much over the years if the idea is to keep everything there. Eventually a surprise attack on Siberia looks like a good idea if you have 15000 assualt points locked up in Manchuria with nothing to do. quote: Logistics/supply. We are going to have difficulty with this one since it would generally require code changes. However, one fix would be to set some limits on how many Japanese units can be allowed in a given hex depending on the supply link (rail v. road v. trail) and the length of that supply line. We would have to some noodling on this. Only so much supply should be able to pass through a given point in a day. Railroads should be able to handle the most, with the downslope after that. This will cause large invading armies to have to pause a lot to let the supply stockpile rebuild. quote: 4) On a similar note, and to make this a balanced discussion for both sides, there should also be a limit to the number of LCU's in many of the islands and atolls and corresponding hexes. The US should not be able to pile 8 Divs into an atoll the size of my back yard. The designers should have added this already. Some kind of penalty for overstacking will be good enough.

moses -> RE: Few thoughts (11/26/2004 4:00:00 AM)
I havn't noticed any change in chinese deployments in 1.3. I don't believe a great delay is needed to make the Chinese competitive. In my game vs Tophat he has waited till hong Kong fell (9 or 10 days) before begining active operations. Redeployment is well underway and I have been digging in at key locations. Units have been also recovering morale, disruption and fatigue. There will be no easy conquests now. I really believe that it will be difficult for him to make progress now but we shall see.

dtravel -> RE: Few thoughts (11/26/2004 9:24:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteveV 4) On a similar note, and to make this a balanced discussion for both sides, there should also be a limit to the number of LCU's in many of the islands and atolls and corresponding hexes. The US should not be able to pile 8 Divs into an atoll the size of my back yard. The islands and atolls are significantly larger than that. Most of them are several miles long and wide.

SteveV -> RE: Few thoughts (11/26/2004 4:47:20 PM)
DTravel, that is called "hyperbole", or else I have a big backyard. [:)] How many US Divs could fit on an atoll? Kinda like the number of angels on a pinhead question. The answer is not infinite, which is the answer this game allows. SteveV

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Rangoon Under the Gun (11/26/2004 6:33:52 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/09/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 5 B-24D Liberator x 12 Allied aircraft losses B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged Resources hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 5 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 23 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 26 Ki-51 Sonia x 90 Ki-21 Sally x 60 Ki-48 Lily x 36 Ki-46-III Dinah x 6 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses I-153c: 30 destroyed, 24 damaged Allied ground losses: 29 casualties reported Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 100 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 24 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,34 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 8 B-17E Fortress x 59 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 208 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 29,35 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 7 Wellington III x 54 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 164 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,33 Japanese aircraft Ki-48 Lily x 3 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK Empire Buckler Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 28,37 Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 2 Ki-27 Nate x 3 Ki-48 Lily x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48 Lily: 3 damaged Allied Ships BB Royal Sovereign Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,35 The Fulmar is Fubar. Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 32 A6M3 Zero x 20 D3A Val x 6 B5N Kate x 5 Ki-27 Nate x 18 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 21 Ki-21 Sally x 6 Ki-48 Lily x 14 Allied aircraft Fulmar x 38 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged B5N Kate: 4 damaged Ki-27 Nate: 7 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged Allied aircraft losses Fulmar: 79 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied Ships CV Formidable, Bomb hits 1 CVL Hermes CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 1 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Tavoy, at 28,37 Help. Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate: 1 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 6 destroyed, 17 damaged Ki-27 Nate: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged A6M3 Zero: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged Ki-21 Sally: 7 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied Ships CA Exeter CA Cornwall CA Houston BB Resolution BB Ramilles BB Royal Sovereign BB Valiant BB Warspite Japanese ground losses: 456 casualties reported Airbase hits 16 Airbase supply hits 8 Runway hits 50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon The fall of Rangoon could occur any day now. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 52130 troops, 373 guns, 291 vehicles Defending force 14660 troops, 35 guns, 16 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 6) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5 Japanese ground losses: 368 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Allied ground losses: 752 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Will have to wait for reinforcements to make progress here. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 154898 troops, 1536 guns, 463 vehicles Defending force 99438 troops, 993 guns, 377 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9) Japanese ground losses: 4237 casualties reported Guns lost 148 Vehicles lost 8 Allied ground losses: 1023 casualties reported Guns lost 48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 83704 troops, 871 guns, 364 vehicles Defending force 148553 troops, 1315 guns, 454 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili A large Allied convoy is approaching Gili Gili. Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 515 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 3557 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/10/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 8 B-24D Liberator x 5 Allied aircraft losses LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged Resources hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Tavoy, at 28,37 Airfields at Tavoy all aglow. Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged Ki-27 Nate: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 7 destroyed, 10 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 9 destroyed, 11 damaged A6M3 Zero: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged B5N Kate: 1 destroyed D3A Val: 1 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships CA Exeter CA Cornwall CA Houston BB Resolution BB Ramilles BB Royal Sovereign BB Valiant BB Warspite Japanese ground losses: 732 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 72 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Gili Gili, 56,94, firing at TF 1070 TF 1070 troops unloading over beach at Gili Gili, 56,94 4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 23 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 27 Ki-51 Sonia x 85 Ki-21 Sally x 61 Ki-48 Lily x 35 Ki-46-III Dinah x 4 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 63 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 81 Aircraft Attacking: 26 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 31 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Rahaeng , at 31,35 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 19 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 damaged Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 29,34 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 10 B-17E Fortress x 43 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 168 casualties reported Vehicles lost 15 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Tavoy, at 28,37 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged Ki-27 Nate: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B5N Kate: 1 destroyed Allied Ships CA Exeter CA Cornwall CA Houston BB Resolution BB Ramilles BB Royal Sovereign BB Valiant BB Warspite Japanese ground losses: 482 casualties reported Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 48 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 51478 troops, 361 guns, 272 vehicles Defending force 13658 troops, 16 guns, 13 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4 Japanese ground losses: 265 casualties reported Guns lost 13 Allied ground losses: 442 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 2062 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 1568 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 4628 troops, 165 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 96593 troops, 917 guns, 378 vehicles Allied ground losses: 98 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 83663 troops, 864 guns, 366 vehicles Defending force 149188 troops, 1329 guns, 454 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 115 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 548 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 3524 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

sven6345789 -> RE: Rangoon Under the Gun (11/27/2004 12:26:23 AM)
actually, i see no need for rule changes. so The japanese player has taken china. so what. It probably won't stop the american onslought. Taking India will probably take another year. we will be in 1944 by then. Chances are that the strategic bombing campaign starts when the japanese gets anything like close to Karachi. After all, overland movement is painfully slow, and the allied airforce in india is much stronger than the chinese. This game is not over yet, although it will probably only be won by invading japan itself. might even last into 1946.

rhondabrwn -> Chinese Supply (11/27/2004 12:13:15 PM)
OK, I don't claim to be an expert, but... If the Japanese shouldn't be able to sustain a 500,000 man force to attack Chunking, then how do the Chinese sustain and supply a 300,000 man force in an extended defense of a virtually besieged city? It seems like the game mechanics (and deficiencies) kinda cancel out here and make for a result that isn't as ahistorical as some have asserted. I do agree that flow of supply through land hexes should be limited by the condition of roads, trails, and railways, thus keeping the size of armies reduced to an historically accurate size for all players. Personally, I hate adding arbitrary rules like not being able to pull units off the Russian front for duty in China. Let it happen and increase the possibility of a Russian declaration of war as a penalty for taking the risk. After all, war is about risks, and an historical simulation should reward innovation, surprise, and risk-taking and not attempt to shut it down in favor of forcing historical play. That's why this AAR has been so absolutely fascinating!

WiTP_Dude -> I Won the Lottery! (11/27/2004 8:31:33 PM)
See, look at all that free supply: [image]local://upfiles/12628/Rp441610700.jpg[/image]

WiTP_Dude -> RE: I Won the Lottery! (11/27/2004 8:37:08 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/13/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,44 Japanese Ships DD Tachikaze DD Satsuki DD Yamakaze DD Tanikaze DD Maikaze DD Kuroshio DD Makinami DD Teruzuki Allied Ships SS Pogy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft Wellington III x 27 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-49 Helen: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged Ki-27 Nate: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 70 casualties reported Airbase hits 4 Runway hits 25 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,44 Japanese Ships DD Tachikaze DD Satsuki DD Yamakaze DD Tanikaze DD Maikaze DD Kuroshio DD Makinami DD Teruzuki Allied Ships SS Pogy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 23 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 27 Ki-51 Sonia x 90 Ki-21 Sally x 52 Ki-48 Lily x 35 Ki-46-III Dinah x 6 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 4 destroyed Allied ground losses: 42 casualties reported Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 145 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 24 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 11 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,34 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 11 B-17E Fortress x 68 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 226 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 29,35 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 15 G4M1 Betty x 6 Ki-21 Sally x 3 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 8 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane II: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships BB Warspite, Bomb hits 1 CA Houston Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 29,35 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 Ki-49 Helen x 7 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 16 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed Ki-49 Helen: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hurricane II: 4 destroyed Allied Ships CA Frobisher Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 29,34 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 2 G4M1 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 1 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane II: 2 destroyed Allied Ships AK Ngow Hok, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Commonwealth fleeing Moulmein as fast as possible on ships. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 150265 troops, 1349 guns, 458 vehicles Defending force 62237 troops, 537 guns, 12 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 8) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 8 Japanese ground losses: 1928 casualties reported Guns lost 63 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 1856 casualties reported Guns lost 77 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Counterattack on Gili Gili beachhead falls short. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 3540 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 1655 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 82 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 43 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 40,35 Last Chinese forces being hemmed in. Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 15657 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 5085 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 95 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 104 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 84 casualties reported Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Nearly 700,000 supply captured, probably more than the entire empire had a day before. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 49269 troops, 334 guns, 150 vehicles Defending force 11971 troops, 24 guns, 12 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 4) Japanese forces CAPTURE Rangoon base !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Dakota I: 31 destroyed Catalina I: 14 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 278 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Allied ground losses: 4672 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 42762 troops, 390 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 147466 troops, 1266 guns, 456 vehicles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 489 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 3415 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/14/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46 Singapore is next. Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 10 B-24D Liberator x 12 Allied aircraft losses B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged Resources hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 7 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet 3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 3000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft Wellington III x 34 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed, 7 damaged A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Ki-27 Nate: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 97 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 12 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 57,44 Pogy has a bad day. Japanese Ships DD Tachikaze DD Satsuki DD Yamakaze DD Tanikaze DD Maikaze DD Kuroshio DD Makinami DD Teruzuki Allied Ships SS Pogy, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 48,109 Japanese Ships SS I-166 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 27 Ki-51 Sonia x 86 Ki-21 Sally x 47 Ki-48 Lily x 32 Ki-46-III Dinah x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 121 Aircraft Attacking: 26 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 30 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Rahaeng , at 31,35 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 17 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 29,35 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 48 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 148 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 10 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 14 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Hvy Field Artillery Regiment, at 29,34 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 9 B-17E Fortress x 52 Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 389 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 10 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 29,35 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 8 G4M1 Betty x 3 Ki-21 Sally x 3 Ki-49 Helen x 3 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane II: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships BB Resolution BB Ramilles Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 29,35 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 5 G4M1 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 12 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged Allied Ships AK Empire Purcell, Torpedo hits 1, on fire Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Moulmein will be recaptured within three or four days. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 147794 troops, 1273 guns, 456 vehicles Defending force 50709 troops, 365 guns, 12 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 7 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 7) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 7 Japanese ground losses: 2054 casualties reported Guns lost 32 Vehicles lost 2 Allied ground losses: 680 casualties reported Guns lost 24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Moulmein Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 30928 troops, 294 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 145474 troops, 1209 guns, 454 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 2 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Gili Gili Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 500 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 3452 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles Allied ground losses: 2 casualties reported Guns lost 1

mucky -> RE: I Won the Lottery! (11/27/2004 8:58:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude See, look at all that free supply: [image]local://upfiles/12628/Rp441610700.jpg[/image] dude, is that a new font you have? It looks cool if it is!

Zeta16 -> RE: Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style (11/27/2004 11:12:06 PM)
Well looks like I have gotten a lot of troops back to India, all of the supplies where in Rangoon to make a long term stand, but that did not matter when my troops retreated the wrong way. My Dunkirk in Burma has given me some hope to hold I ndia a little longer. He has a long journey from Burma to India, so maybe I can give hime some fits. My South Pacific operation is going to go into high gear in the next few turns. This game is a long way from over, I plan to make him pay a ton to when this game. The allies will never give up. Here is the score screen [image]local://upfiles/8005/Wu620426923.jpg[/image]

Zeta16 -> RE: Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style (11/27/2004 11:14:29 PM)
Here are the top Allied plane loses [image]local://upfiles/8005/Us548205549.jpg[/image]

Zeta16 -> RE: Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style (11/27/2004 11:16:00 PM)
Here are top Japanese plane loses [image]local://upfiles/8005/Cz800616437.jpg[/image]

mucky -> RE: Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style (11/27/2004 11:19:48 PM)
u seen to be kicking ass when it comes to sinking his ships! My own ship sinking ratio with japan is a poor one...latest figures show 135:24!

WiTP_Dude -> RE: I Won the Lottery! (11/27/2004 11:59:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mucky dude, is that a new font you have? It looks cool if it is! I haven't installed any new fonts recently. Does your font type look different?

mucky -> RE: I Won the Lottery! (11/28/2004 12:22:25 AM)
quote: I haven't installed any new fonts recently. Does your font type look different? What do you think? Id say theres a difference. [image]local://upfiles/14672/Ca818249494.jpg[/image]

Zeta16 -> RE: I Won the Lottery! (11/28/2004 3:00:36 AM)
When you see the AAR you will see my "Dunkirk" of Burma was a sucess. He only took a around 5000 troops in Mouleim. These rest are in India proper. I figure it will take him several months to regroup and move through those slow jungle hexes. Maybe my armies can regain all of there strength and make it tough for him to take India. Don't think that is going to happen, cause he will throw close to 10000 assult points that way. My only hope now is to invade Japan. Maybe he will not be able to get enogh points back by 44 or 45. Maybe my subs will hit something by then.

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