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KG Erwin -> Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/18/2004 3:36:38 AM)

This replaces the old version 8.2 comments, which I unpinned and are now in the forum archives. This new thread is for comments on the 8.3 patch, which includes some updated scenarios and free version campaigns.



Alby -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/18/2004 4:00:06 AM)

im seeing the infrantry change colors of uniform when they take casualties
in long camapign have I only seen this.



KG Erwin -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/18/2004 6:16:05 AM)

Alby, I've seen the same thing, but I can't explain it. It may have an unintended benefit, as you can quickly tell which units have taken hits. I play with all units numbered, so there's no problem in differentiating the good guys from the bad guys.



m10bob -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/18/2004 8:38:37 PM)

My German 75L70 and 88L56 guns used to have very distinctive soundfiles.(Is it possible I had "corrupted" the SPWAW files with those of Panzer Leo's H2h"?)..On my old harddrive,I had both files on my cpu..Truthfully,I liked the H2H versions of the sound and just ASSUMED Matrixgames had adopted them..[;)]
Very much like the improved OOB's,especially I&R units and A&P troops..



Alby -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/18/2004 10:19:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

My German 75L70 and 88L56 guns used to have very distinctive soundfiles.(Is it possible I had "corrupted" the SPWAW files with those of Panzer Leo's H2h"?)..On my old harddrive,I had both files on my cpu..Truthfully,I liked the H2H versions of the sound and just ASSUMED Matrixgames had adopted them..[;)]
Very much like the improved OOB's,especially I&R units and A&P troops..

H2H uses different sounds for those weapons
at least for the 88



m10bob -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/18/2004 11:11:46 PM)

Thanks Alby..(Now I just need to finagle somebody to e-mail those 2 sound files to me????)



tracer -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 4:28:59 AM)

Here's the corresponding sound files for those weapons:

  • 88L56 = 909, 910 and 911
  • 75L70 = 986, 987 and 988

UnZipped, those 6 files are about 4mb.

When I checked in v8.3 both had zero entered in the 'sound' box, so I'm guessing they use the generic sound for their 'class' (i.e.: 06-Medium gun and 07-Large gun).



Major Destruction -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 5:54:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Very much like the improved OOB's,especially I&R units and A&P troops..


I'm glad somebody likes them



KG Erwin -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 6:44:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Major Destruction

quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Very much like the improved OOB's,especially I&R units and A&P troops..


I'm glad somebody likes them


As I recall, m10bob, you were the man who lobbied for the inclusion of these units, so now you have them. Major Destruction added these, so he deserves the kudos for doing the work. [&o]



robot -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 4:31:51 PM)

Whats I&R units and A&P troops if i may ask.



Alby -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 4:44:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tracer

Here's the corresponding sound files for those weapons:

  • 88L56 = 909, 910 and 911
  • 75L70 = 986, 987 and 988

UnZipped, those 6 files are about 4mb.

When I checked in v8.3 both had zero entered in the 'sound' box, so I'm guessing they use the generic sound for their 'class' (i.e.: 06-Medium gun and 07-Large gun).

be advised, if you use your editor to make these sounds play for a particular weapon, you will get an OOB error message in pbem and online games.
what i did was just save the old sounds somewhere and renamed the 900
numbered sounds to match the weapon I wanted it to correspond with.



Alby -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 4:45:37 PM)

I was curious about those too
quote:

ORIGINAL: robot

Whats I&R units and A&P troops if i may ask.



KG Erwin -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 5:09:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: robot

Whats I&R units and A&P troops if i may ask.


I & R: Intelligence & Reconnaissance Platoon--attached to the HQ Company at US Infantry Regiment level.

A & P: Ammunition & Pioneer Platoon--attached to the HQ Company at US Infantry Battalion level.



Alby -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 6:26:03 PM)

Thanks[:)]



robot -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 6:29:16 PM)

Thanks Gunny



m10bob -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 7:24:05 PM)

Until now,SP genre games had fictionalised the scouting efforts of American units by including "scouts" in the Infantry Company formations.In fact,those scouts were part of their own formation called the I&R platoon,and while they were commonly part of a company,they were assigned from higher echelon(as Gunny stated).
If you ever read anything about Infantry tactics in Europe,you probably came across the term and wondered what it was.It was indeed a major grunt component of every Division,Regiment,and Bn,and could be called upon as ad hoc Infantry reinforcements,(as could the A&P unit).
Since they were mobile,they both easily performed the mission of setting up roadblocks quicker than a larger formation could.
The American army maintained continuous contact with the enemy by always "stretching out" with the I&R units,so higher echelon always(supposedly) knew where the enemy was.



Kristo Vaher -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 10:39:25 PM)

Yeah nice that 8.3 is out... Just where the heck am I supposed to download it from!? Website has no links, and I dont have Steel Panthers installed to use update thingy. So where? Its supposed to be a small file, but most likely NOT small enough that I cant notice it.

(Just using an external HDD for all my patches for different games, and Im storing patches there for games that I own yet dont have installed)

So where is it!?



m10bob -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/19/2004 11:48:35 PM)

Go to the "members area" and download the patch from there.The patch does not take long..



KG Erwin -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/20/2004 12:33:33 AM)

m10bob, thanks for that description of those units' role--a famous example is the heroic stand of Lt. Joseph Bouck's I & R Platoon, 394th Infantry Regiment against elements of the German 3rd Parachute Division near Lanzerath during the opening stages of the Battle of the Bulge. This episode is well-described in Charles MacDonald's "A Time for Trumpets".



VikingNo2 -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/20/2004 2:10:29 AM)

I went to the member area I can't find the patch, someone please help. Why can't it just be simple[&:]



KG Erwin -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/20/2004 5:01:39 AM)

C'mon Viking, this is all part of the fun--you must have a valid Matrix Member Log-in : it is NOT the same as your forum name. I had to establish one of these, too.

After you log-in, click on the "retail" hotlink of "Steel Panthers:World at War" and you'll be taken to the patch download page.



Kristo Vaher -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/20/2004 7:13:31 PM)

But could you tell me why why w h y w h y WHY WHY WHY W H Y W H Y WHY THE HELL!?

Whats the friggin point!? EVERY GAME OUT THERE DOES NOT REQUIRE some special login members area BS. Ive PAID for the product and as far as I know its EULA did NOT tell me that I require some damned registration to obtain product updates.

I do NOT want to register myself and my email at some friggin place to get a patch to a product which I OWN!

Damn it pisses me off... Ban me for it if you wish, dont care. Matrix Games has gone to hell.



#Vassago -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/20/2004 11:42:15 PM)

Chill dude... [8D]

And I though I was short temperred...maybe they just want people to login for all their games to get updates and give a good reason for pirates to buy the game instead of downloading for free. Of course for SPWAW this applies more or less since the basic game has always been free from Matrix Games, but I do understand why they would want to standardize the process...much simpler to update the web site...which btw is always a nightmare even if you change just a small detail, that`s true for any web site.

Simple: You pay you = you get the updates, you don't pay = you don't get the updates.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kristo Vaher

But could you tell me why why w h y w h y WHY WHY WHY W H Y W H Y WHY THE HELL!?

Whats the friggin point!? EVERY GAME OUT THERE DOES NOT REQUIRE some special login members area BS. Ive PAID for the product and as far as I know its EULA did NOT tell me that I require some damned registration to obtain product updates.

I do NOT want to register myself and my email at some friggin place to get a patch to a product which I OWN!

Damn it pisses me off... Ban me for it if you wish, dont care. Matrix Games has gone to hell.



Goblin -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/20/2004 11:47:22 PM)

What happened to True Update then?[&:]


Goblin



Belisarius -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/21/2004 12:50:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Goblin

What happened to True Update then?[&:]


Goblin


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It wasn't much of an ordeal to go register and DL through the Members area, but I too wonder what the heck true update is there for, then?

SP:WaW is a bit special, but for ordinary retail games, all pirated versions (almost) include some kind of hack to the game .exe file. Any and all patches include a new .exe, which renders the pirated version useless...until someone hacks the new file.

Uh, makes little sense but that's the only reason I can see why the true update is NOT used? [&:]



Kristo Vaher -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/21/2004 9:15:59 AM)

The situation is going as much Kaboom as did the true update. I was just congratulated by a few people through private messages on my last post. Nice to have some supporters on this issue.

Nevertheless, this is crazy. This IS matrix games. Thanks for the years of SPWaW, the previous user friendly presentation and great gameplay. But requiruing to REGISTER to GET A FRIGGIN PATCH and not an entire game is JUST PLAIN STUPID. I AM already registered HERE, now I need TWO accounts on Matrix Games accountlists. NO thank you. The patch will be available through other resources soon enough anyway.



Kristo Vaher -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/21/2004 10:30:32 AM)

The damned situation does NOT seem to change. What the hell is wrong with MG!?!?

I now decided to register and get the patch without waiting for the damned patch appearance on other external websites or links by fellow gamers.

I registered, entered my email, the thing I hate the most. They told me to check my email for my passwd. Nothing. Told them I lost my passwd, and they "said" they resent it. Nothing. Thats after thirty minutes. I do NOT have dsl connection and can access the net on my school systems only, sending data to my usb data storage. Now its nothing.

Ive lost all the respect Ive ever had for Matrix Games. There are far better companies out there than this pile of selfish crap.

Bye.



robot -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/21/2004 3:27:49 PM)

Where the hell do you guys get off at. Matrix asks us to register for a patch so what. The dam game is free and has always been free. So what its a little inconveient and takes 15 minutes of your time. You dont want the patch or takes too much of your time. Then play the dam game without the patch. What does something being added to 2 or 3 oob list s effect the playability anyway.

Matrix has over the years worked hard to be the game every one wants. Then because they leave out some obscure weapon or formation the same belly achers want to whine. Because a tank has a MM of thickness wrong some one jumps up and says matrix sucks. Jesus guys if you dont like the game enough to whine and cry every time matrix trys to fix something. Then go to the store and get the game you really want to play. Or better still get ahold of me and ill give you some of the usless games i have in my closet. The ones that i paid big bucks for that have never been worth a dam.

It sounds like a bunch of kids crying about who gets too bat first. You dont like what matrix does then dont play the game. Go somewhere else and belly ache. SPWAW IS FREE FREE The add on mega campaigns are the only thing that costs. None of the updates cost only in time and effort.



Kristo Vaher -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/21/2004 4:04:25 PM)

I have bought SPWaW so it did not come free to me. You would have SEEN this when you would have READ my previous posts.

And I TRIED to register to this members BS, did not WORK since the mail with the password was NOT SENT even if I had RETRIED PLENTY of times, it does NOT get through to @solo mail.

However, I found websites to grab the patch without problems, and got it finally. NO THANKS TO MG for that one.

And liking MATRIX GAMES and liking the GAME are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. I LOVE SPWaW, have PAID my bucks for it, LOVING megacampaigns. But frankly the support requiring me to do a separate registration is plain crap.



robot -> RE: Comments on the 8.3 Patch (10/21/2004 6:11:28 PM)

You still dont understand do you Kristo. You bought the mega campaigns. You did not buy SPWAW. It is free and only it is free. If you wanted it on disk. Then you may have paid a slight fee for that. You did not pay anything for SPWAW. Matrix is not allowed to charge anything for the game. That is per an agreement with the original makers.

I am sorry if you have problems with getting your email. But again that is not becuse of anything matrix has done. When i went and did the log in thing i had my password in less then a minute. Also had the patch installed in less then 10 minutes or near there. Thats not much hassles or wasted time for a great free game like this.



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