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Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:14:02 AM)

We should have a Global Test. One where we get the approval of the UN and the World before we act in self defense or our own best interests.



Mr.Frag -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:17:44 AM)

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We should have a Global Test. One where we get the approval of the UN and the World before we act in self defense or our own best interests.


If you had one of those in the first place, there would have been no Bush in the first place.

Perhaps next time that a vote is held, the actual number of votes cast will be counted, not just those for the side that wants to win more [8|]

And you call yourself a democracy [:D]



Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:22:49 AM)

Well generally it is frowned on to do direct political talk, but I will assume you refrence 2000 election in the USA. If so I would advise you to learn how USA elections for President work.

In the ENTIRE history of the USA the requirement for election to President has been that the electoral college determines the winner. Not the popular vote. And there is a quite detailed reason for this, boiled down to simplicity, it prevents a few populous States from ruling the smaller States and making them nearly pointless or meaning less to the election of the President.



Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:24:07 AM)

Ohh ya and we are a Democratic Republic ) not a direct democracy )



Tankerace -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:25:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

We should have a Global Test. One where we get the approval of the UN and the World before we act in self defense or our own best interests.


Why would we need this. Oh Mr. UN, who are taking kickbacks from the guys who want to kill us, may we take them out before they kill all of us? I know it means you'll loose all those Iraqi dollars you've been stuffing in your pocket since 1991, but please, can we defend ourselves?



Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:26:44 AM)

Well I was be saracastic )



Tankerace -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:27:43 AM)

hehe, I know. So was I. I just got a falsh of inspiration. Plus I knew some on this forum would take you seriously.



ColFrost -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:28:05 AM)

Patch or politics, patch or politics.

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Guys, can we relax about the patch, and just leave the politics alone? These two subjects are like minefields, and I'm the one who keeps getting blown up.



bstarr -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:29:10 AM)

Can't we just clone John Wayne and elect him emporer for life?



UncleBuck -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:30:46 AM)

That woudl be Silly English Ka- Nig -its. It is a term used often in one of my other hobbies.

"No no we must be punished, Bad Zute evil bad foul Zut. We must have a spanking! Chorus of young nubile girls (A SPANKING! A SPANKING!)"



Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:30:56 AM)

I prefer Ronald Reagan. )



Mr.Frag -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:32:28 AM)

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Well generally it is frowned on to do direct political talk, but I will assume you refrence 2000 election in the USA. If so I would advise you to learn how USA elections for President work.


I'm not talking about politics, I'm talking about *history* [:'(]

To an outside observer ... it certainly appears that the election results were *fixed* in Florida to make a certain relative win ... Nothing to do with the electoral college and how they operate until there are some relatives employed there too [:D]

Our system is not so different, but we do not vote for a person, the party's Leader that wins the most seats (in your case senators i would guess) is the leader.

It simply ensures that the guy who wins actually has the power to do something as he can't win without his party winning.

Didn't the old days of the USA have the winner as the Prez and the loser as the VP ?



bstarr -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:36:45 AM)

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I prefer Ronald Reagan. )

Same thing [;)]



Hortlund -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:37:00 AM)

Well, if you truly are interested, PM me and I will walk you through Floridas election laws at the time. What deadlines those laws stipulated, and what the vote counts were when those deadlines were passed.

Then if you want, we can talk about the final (inofficial) result after all the votes were counted several times my heaps of reporters. But I dont think that will be much fun, considering who won that vote count (too).

But somehow I doubt the PM will be coming. My offer stands though.



Tankerace -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:40:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

quote:

Well generally it is frowned on to do direct political talk, but I will assume you refrence 2000 election in the USA. If so I would advise you to learn how USA elections for President work.


I'm not talking about politics, I'm talking about *history* [:'(]

To an outside observer ... it certainly appears that the election results were *fixed* in Florida to make a certain relative win ... Nothing to do with the electoral college and how they operate until there are some relatives employed there too [:D]

Our system is not so different, but we do not vote for a person, the party's Leader that wins the most seats (in your case senators i would guess) is the leader.

It simply ensures that the guy who wins actually has the power to do something as he can't win without his party winning.

Didn't the old days of the USA have the winner as the Prez and the loser as the VP ?


Sort of. What would happen is about 6 or 10 guys would run, the guy that got the most votes was the prez, the guy with the second highest the VP. Quite good fun if you had a federalist and a democratic republican in office.



Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:42:42 AM)

Well if one does a non biased research, one finds that the only "fixing" that was attempted in Florida was by the Gore Campaign in an effort to undue a lost election.

His campaign chose to ONLY contest votes in 3 VERY DOMINATE and large Democratic counties, where the election board was controlled by the democrats. They tried ( unsiccessfully) to have votes thrown out for varies reason recounted as Gore votes.

Example, one attempt was to claim that since it was predominately a democratic district that any vote where 2 punches were made for president ( invalidating the vote) if one of them was for Gore, then it be counted as a Gore vote.

And of course we all know the hang chad arguement, where in the Gore campaign tried to count non votes as votes for himself. If you have ever used a card punch machine to vote with you would quickly realize that no one that punched a hole successfully anywhere else on the card could have "accidently" not punched the Presidential hole. And anyone with half a brain would know you cant determine who someone voted for if the hole isnt punched. The idea being he would give license to democratic operatives the oportunity to manufacture votes for himself.

There have been 3 official recounts and numerous unoffical recounts of the Florida election, by people not even remotely unbiased and NONE have ever found Gore won.



bstarr -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:46:18 AM)

You know, y'all r taking politics way too serious. The only thing that will really change if Kerry is elected is that the reps will be the ones complaining and the dems will be tickled pink.

"And that's all I've got to say about that."
Forrest Gump

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Mr.Frag -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:48:10 AM)

I Understand ... but it certainly did not get reported that way outside the USA. To us outside the USA, Bush is the first Prez who didn't actually win therefore no one takes him too seriously.

Lets hope one way or the other that your next election is not in the "public debate" catagory as to who wins.



Twotribes -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:50:48 AM)

The first 3 elections ( maybe 2) were on the original procedure, where in the Person ( they didnt realize that political parties would occur) with the most electoral votes ( though I believe there was a minimum threshold of numbers needed)got President and the one with the second most electoral votes got Vice President, under George Washington this was no problem, but the first election where Washinton wasnt elected we had 2 very opposed individuals as President and Vice President so an amendment was put in changing it.

Now one must get the Majority of avaialble electoral college Votes to be declared President and your running mate is Vice President. Failure in the College being able to decide by a majority who is President, it falls to the Congress to determine . One House picking President , the other Vice President.

However that is not likely to ever happen, as I dont believe there is a set number of votes the college can take and failing to elect someone will result in the members of the college deciding amongst themselves how to revote and elect a President.



Point Luck -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 12:52:54 AM)

Let’s not forget Gore’s attempt to throw out the absent tee ballots from the Military, You know what the Dem’s say if you don’t win the first time recount them till you do,

We wouldn't tolerate PBEM games to start over just because we lose a couple of CV’s but then again I guess the people here are little more mature have respect for the system



pasternakski -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:03:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bstarr

You know, y'all r taking politics way too serious.


Yes, we shouldn't take the world serious. The world serious! Let's forget the patch and just watch the World Serious!



pasternakski -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:03:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Point Luck

absent tee ballots


Gawd, you guys are entertaining.



pasternakski -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:07:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

We should have a Global Test. One where we get the approval of the UN and the World before we act in self defense or our own best interests.


This is why we didn't fiddle-de-dee with the League of Nations (ha-ha, Mr. Wilson). Nothing like the "world" telling you what your best interests are and whether you can act in self defense.



Tankerace -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:14:00 AM)

I think its funny. We have to come some everyone else's butts, but they expect to be able to tell us what to do. What the heck are we, the local watch dog? "Seek em boy, get him! Ok, you get a treat. Now go to your doghouse until the Germans invade us again."

EDIT: This is not meant as an insult against Germans. I use this because it seems every time someone ets in trouble, they call America, and then treat us like dirt afterwards.



Mr.Frag -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:27:02 AM)

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What the heck are we, the local watch dog?


Last I checked .... Yep [:D]



Tankerace -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:28:36 AM)

Rrrraf! [8D]



Onime No Kyo -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:28:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

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ORIGINAL: bstarr

You know, y'all r taking politics way too serious.


Yes, we shouldn't take the world serious. The world serious! Let's forget the patch and just watch the World Serious!


Did I mention that if I hear one more word about Yankees and Sox I was gonna scream.



freeboy -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:34:56 AM)

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If you had one of those in the first place, there would have been no Bush in the first place.

Perhaps next time that a vote is held, the actual number of votes cast will be counted, not just those for the side that wants to win more

And you call yourself a democracy


I think your perceiptiion is scewed by those you listen too, should we allow illegal voting because it helps our cause.. this is directed at both parties.. ok this thread is wwwwaaay off track you socialist pinky canadian you [:-]



Cpt.Buckmaster -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:36:15 AM)

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RevRick -> RE: Should we ask? (10/19/2004 1:42:43 AM)

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Our system is not so different, but we do not vote for a person, the party's Leader that wins the most seats (in your case senators i would guess) is the leader.


No, in our system, it is the House of Representatives which receives the most populous vote and has the most direct relationship to the people - and that would have made Tip O'Neill President - Heaven help us!



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