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ZOOMIE1980 -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 9:05:10 AM)

OK, you got me. What's a "goomba"? Beyond my limited cultural context, I'm afraid....although I'm sure it applies....



Belce -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 9:12:39 AM)

I think they made a mistake about announcing the patch when they did. Perhaps they thought they could do it remotely, but were mistaken. Imean when the news was released it was "here are the changes, patch soon" followed by "oh, our guys that package the thing can't do it, but can after the 25th."

They made a mistake.

They really thought they could do it, acted like they could do it, but couldn't. They knew the patch was ready, what it addressed and made it known prior to it being available. Next time the patch will be waiting on the servers for download prior to announcement, if you have good hacking skills, you may get it early.



ZOOMIE1980 -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 9:20:34 AM)

OK. Think I got it.

PR is a something "mom and pops" seem to have the most difficulty with as they grow. Wonder if Joel is kicking himself for be so "forthcoming". Hope they learn something from this episode. Even if it's "don't reveal anything to Zoomie...."



Belce -> Goomba is (10/26/2004 9:34:28 AM)

"Yea, I work. I like to work. I am somwhat successful. My married well, too, which helps. I like business. I have owned a lot of small businesses over the years from computer stores, to laundrymats, to sportings good franchises, to commodity brokerage firms. I sit on the Boards of Directors of two local Savings and Loans and one credit union. My wife is on the board of a major health insurer. I know business large and small. I like software. Love computers. And I adore wargaming. Six year veteran of the Cold War flying RC-135s. Eight Air Medals to show for it. Damn near shot down in the Gulf of Sidra in 1981. Lots of life experience to draw on. I know what I pontificate about. Military or otherwise. Know a lot about what works and what doesn't."

You have a valid right to proud of your life and your achievements, none of this has anything to do with the patch or any of your points raised here on this thread and none of the above diminshes the points raised against your arguments. The above statement is as important to this discussion as you telling us how well you can tie a fly for fishing.

And thank you for flying recon, am sure alot of people are in your debt for your timely info. My Dad flew Mosquitos in WW2.



Jim D Burns -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 9:36:20 AM)

Actually the patch didn't get to Matrix in time, the announcement was based on their assumption they'd get it by x date and they didn't. I bet they never announce another thing to us after this thread, which is too bad; I prefer to be informed and frustrated than in the dark and frustrated any day.

There are maybe 4 or 5 trade shows each season and they are planned for a year or more ahead of time. Matrix thought the patch would get to them in time to upload it before they left, but it was late, so they didn't have time to get it ready. No big deal in my book, and I think most others agree with me as well. Trade shows are very important in the niche gaming markets, Zoomie's snide dismissal of their importance simply points to his lack of understanding the nuances of the industry in question.

I think Zoomie needs to take a chill pill and visit the Caribbean or something for some much needed R&R. WitP isn't Matrix's best product from a sales standpoint by far, but since it's Zoomie's favorite game he's attaching far to much importance on the need to release a timely patch. I'll bet from a numbers standpoint it's one of the smaller titles as far as unit sales go. The Steel Panther titles and SSG's games probably sell far more units than WitP can ever hope to sell.

I'm not going to pull out a yardstick and start measuring Johnsons or anything, suffice it to say I have far more experience in the Wargaming industry than Zoomie does I think. I'm also quite knowledgeable about real world investing and corporate business practices, you simply can't apply that reality to a niche software producer who can barely afford to keep their doors open; they'd be bankrupt in a week.

Jim



khelvan -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 10:58:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980
Again, I don't give a DAMN if Matrix is just THREE people. YOu don't send ALL THREE to trade show with distributable product ready to go needing only installation bundling done.... AGain, HOW MANY does it REALLY take at a trade show to man the booth and maybe take in a seminar or two???? The whole damned critical mass of the company???

Still not buying....

Bah, it isn't worth it. Zoomie, one would think after "owning" all those "successful" businesses, you would have learned to communicate with respect and tact. I can't imagine a business owner choosing to communicate in this fashion.



Jim D Burns -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 11:14:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980
It just doesn't make a great deal of sound business sense to reveal that you have a patch to arguably their most significant body of work, to date, ready to go, but because ALL the people who know anything at all about how to get that patch ready for delivery are off galivanting in Europe, it is delayed until they get back???????


Well Matrix just announced they signed a deal with Slitherine to publish Gates of Troy. Yup sure must be a lot of galivanting going on over their. [8|]

Jim



rtrapasso -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 3:55:20 PM)

It seems to me that the problem may be that we have two separate companies working not quite in tandem.

If I have this right 2x3 made the patch, but Matrix has to make the extractor part and distribute it.

Now, I think probably that 2x3 was aiming to have the patch done by a certain date. They tell Matrix and Matrix says ok and schedule resources for the release. Then it is delayed. Then it is delayed again. And maybe again. Then 2x3 sends out the patch, thinking Matrix will finish its part and a release date is announced. Matrix then realizes that certain key personal are scheduled to be out of the country, probably something that had been scheduled months in advance, and that they have already shelled out money for. How many people are actually needed? Who knows? Maybe it's just one person, maybe more. Maybe these same people are needed to meet with someone at the trade show to firm up a deal or get some key information (or recruit someone) that only they can do.

Heaven help us, maybe they are meeting with investors who want to drop big projects like WITP, and the prospective investors don't want anything done until they have a meeting.

But in Matrix's opinion, they are not going to get a dime more for rescheduling everything, and may incur a loss, so why should they try when they probably had several of their deadlines missed? This is just 1/28 or so of their product line. In fact, we really don't know what the whole story is. I noticed somewhere else that the patch is delayed now beyond October, so there is apparently another glitch in the system somewhere. Maybe more patching is being done by 2x3...

The point is we really don't know the whole story about this (I doubt we will ever know) so maybe we should be a bit more understanding.



strawbuk -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/26/2004 4:10:26 PM)

Sheesh, I thought the Z man had mellowed based on recent threads. Apparently not.

Fab to hear from you as ever but;
a. go do it on 'friends reunited'
b. yeah we are all unthinking Matrix fanboys - just look at teh lack of critcial traffci on this forum re game design decisions. Could it be that be because nobody else is making any grongards games anything like WITP etc?
c. Yes we should moan about accuracy in the games
but
d. How to help make matrix go bust and not have anything like WITP ever? Bitch about the game in general (not specifics), question thieir businesss practice, level of support etc etc. Sure it really helps potential game buyers and any investors.

But what do I know, I have neither flown a jet nor written a PC application. I do look forward to reading your MBA dissertation (on different forum).



donkuchi19 -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/27/2004 12:33:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980

I just want to see the guys excercise some sound judgement and balance in wha they chose to do.

It just doesn't make a great deal of sound business sense to reveal that you have a patch to arguably their most significant body of work, to date, ready to go, but because ALL the people who know anything at all about how to get that patch ready for delivery are off galivanting in Europe, it is delayed until they get back???????

To "understand" that is nothing more than blind homerism. Sorry, just too hardened by the hard knocks of nasty business tactics to ever buy that polyanish nonsense.

I guess my bottom line to Matrix, is to simply grow up.


The problem you are having zoomie is that you are coming off as a know-it-all. I have done everything and know the right way to do everything. This isn't a criticism, just an observation based on 'tone' and stuff like that. You have your right to post your thoughts. People have their right to agree or disagree. You can post all of your abilities and qualifications and all that will do is give others more of a 'know-it-all' perception of you.

As for me, I am waiting for the patch. I would have liked it earlier but oh well. I still have a great game to play. I support matrix because of the games they publish, and the support they give. I am happy with the support. It seems to me that Matrix must be doing something right with customer service with all the support I see here for sending the staff off. Most people accept what Matrix says and go with it. You can disagree with their business practices, but I see a lot of loyal customers forming a tremendous customer base. I have already purchased 2 Matrix titles and am looking forward to several more. I hope with that type of support, Matrix will last a long time to keep my wargaming habits satisfied.



Ulug -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/27/2004 2:07:14 AM)

Just a few words from one of the 150.000 visitors of SPIEL'04 in Essen/Germany:
I think it was a good decision to send all the stuff to this games convention. Not only because I could buy some of the excellent Matrix Games. This is one of the biggest game conventions in the world. And it is the best opportunity to meet their customers and to sell the games to a lot of new players here in Europe. Only if they sell games they will be able to produce new ones. No sales -> no new games -> no patches for any game.
150.000 visitors in 4 days! If only 1% of them went to the Matrix booth, you can imagine how much those 4 people had to do during that time. I don't know, how much they sold during those 4 days, but at least Matrix and their games are much better known now. And this is an important fact for them, if they want to sell more games all over the world and thus providing us with more of those games that we love so much...



Williamb -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/27/2004 3:02:50 AM)

All this nagging and complaining....

Is this what its like to be married ? [X(]



Chaplain -> RE: Does anyone else find this as odd (10/27/2004 3:06:26 AM)

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The problem you are having zoomie is that you are coming off as a know-it-all. I have done everything and know the right way to do everything. This isn't a criticism, just an observation based on 'tone' and stuff like that. You have your right to post your thoughts. People have their right to agree or disagree. You can post all of your abilities and qualifications and all that will do is give others more of a 'know-it-all' perception of you.

As for me, I am waiting for the patch. I would have liked it earlier but oh well. I still have a great game to play. I support matrix because of the games they publish, and the support they give. I am happy with the support. It seems to me that Matrix must be doing something right with customer service with all the support I see here for sending the staff off. Most people accept what Matrix says and go with it. You can disagree with their business practices, but I see a lot of loyal customers forming a tremendous customer base. I have already purchased 2 Matrix titles and am looking forward to several more. I hope with that type of support, Matrix will last a long time to keep my wargaming habits satisfied.


Exactly.



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