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fbastos -> Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 8:23:21 PM)

What will come first?

Elections! Thanksgivings! Halloween! Christmas!

All distractions for the programmers from releasing the patch!

So much suspense! Yo!! Tell the programmers that if they release the patch on Oct 29th (of THIS year) we will send them a pumpkin head for the Halloween... [:D]

F.




Tophat -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 9:32:14 PM)

We will have the patch before we know who won the election.[:D]




MadmanRick -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 9:56:37 PM)

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We will have the patch before we know who won the election.


Great, if the last Presidential Election is any indication of a timeline, we'll have the patch sometime between now and mid-December.[sm=00000506.gif]

Rick




Mr.Frag -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:38:43 PM)

It is a plot ... the patch will be released the night before the elections so you'll be too tired to show up and vote. [:D]




kaleun -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:40:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

It is a plot ... the patch will be released the night before the elections so you'll be too tired to show up and vote. [:D]


So: Who does this favor?[&:]




Nikademus -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:43:33 PM)

canadians.

Evil canadians




Tankerace -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:49:55 PM)

Canadians, arrggg!!!! LOL

Still, I thought it benefited the French.




Mr.Frag -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:50:59 PM)

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So: Who does this favor?


Chaos theory. We don't care who wins, we just want the results disputed. That way you can blame the guy who didn't *really* win for everything. It's perfect. [:D]




RevRick -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:53:16 PM)

Erections!?! Erections?!?!? What's all this about free erections in India. Don't they have enough of a population problem already.."

Oops. Never mind.




Tankerace -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:53:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

quote:

So: Who does this favor?


Chaos theory. We don't care who wins, we just want the results disputed. That way you can blame the guy who didn't *really* win for everything. It's perfect. [:D]


Plausible deniability eh?




Nikademus -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:54:09 PM)

The French want us to vote for Bush, that way they can keep saying

WE TOLD YOU SO
WE TOLD YOU SO
WE TOLD YOU SO
WE TOLD YOU SO

[:'(]




Tankerace -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/26/2004 11:56:24 PM)

Jacques Chirac can kiss the fattest part of my..... maybe I shouldn't go there [:D]




kaleun -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 12:18:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

quote:

So: Who does this favor?


Chaos theory. We don't care who wins, we just want the results disputed. That way you can blame the guy who didn't *really* win for everything. It's perfect. [:D]



[:D]THAT WAS SOOOOO GOOD!
Best thing I've read all day.
ROFLMAO




freeboy -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 12:27:54 AM)

hay Kay.. ready to play?




11Bravo -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 12:28:33 AM)

Just saw Cheney on Fox saying that if Kerry is elected there will be no patch.




kaleun -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 12:45:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freeboy

hay Kay.. ready to play?


AAP


(anxiously awaiting patch)




tsimmonds -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 12:46:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 11Bravo

Just saw Cheney on Fox saying that if Kerry is elected there will be no patch.


[sm=00000280.gif]!LOL![sm=00000280.gif]




kaleun -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 12:47:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 11Bravo

Just saw Cheney on Fox saying that if Kerry is elected there will be no patch.


Just saw Edwards on CBS saying that if Bush is elected, Matrix will move to Pakistan and only Haliburton will make the game.




Mr.Frag -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 1:11:19 AM)

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only Haliburton will make the game.


and you thought $70 was expensive, wait until the engineers get done with the $80,000 ashtray and the $400,000 chair with all it's controls and the $2,000,000 HUD to let you see whats already there [:D]




kaleun -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 1:14:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

quote:

only Haliburton will make the game.


and you thought $70 was expensive, wait until the engineers get done with the $80,000 ashtray and the $400,000 chair with all it's controls and the $2,000,000 HUD to let you see whats already there [:D]



BRING IT ON!




fbastos -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 1:30:30 AM)

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and you thought $70 was expensive, wait until the engineers get done with the $80,000 ashtray and the $400,000 chair with all it's controls and the $2,000,000 HUD to let you see whats already there


For that money folks should also get the Squeezable Bobblin'-Head Dolls of Frag and Mogami!!

To alleviate tensions, you know.. :)

F.




Tophat -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 2:44:19 AM)

Someone mentioned the "FRENCH" in this thread,nothing good can come of that!

Good, release the patch mondaynight then I can work on my japanese turn allnight and pearl harbor my designated voting site at OH too Early! Some 10 mins later I can look for one of the many lawyers stakingout our precincts here in ohio and claim disenfranchisement/intimidation so my boy has a legal pretext to dispute the election! [sm=00000016.gif]




Williamb -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 2:56:37 AM)

No frenching allowed in this thread PLEASE !! [:-]




Chijohnaok2 -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 4:33:50 AM)

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Just saw Cheney on Fox saying that if Kerry is elected there will be no patch.


I think I just saw Kerry claim that the delay in the release of the patch is due to the ineptitude of the Bush administration.

Come to think of it, has there been a headline of any kind in the last few weeks where Kerry didn't blame things on Bush??

I'm suprised that Kerry missed an obvious opening...He did not leap to an obvious conclusion and blame Ashlee Simpson's lip-synching fiasco @ Saturday Night Live on George Bush [;)]




Tankerace -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 4:35:49 AM)

Don't forget, according to Kerry, global warming is Bush's fault, the fact the World hates us is Bush's fault, the fact he got sent to Vietnam is Bush's fault, the fact that he is a french-guy wannabe is Bush's fault, and the fact that for the past 50 years America has led the world is Bush's fault. You see where I am going with this?

Bush-Cheney '04. The Right decision.

P.S. If anyone calls me a conservative, I'll take it as a compliment. To me, it is.




GBirkn -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 6:29:12 AM)

Yes, heaven forbid that Bush should be held accountable for anything that happened over the last 3.5 years. I mean, he's only the President of the United States. Where does that buck stop, anyway?




Tankerace -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 6:35:55 AM)

wtf.... lets see, at least half of the stuff that happened was started during the Clinton administration. Most of the time the democrats pass the buck, and then want that same buck to land at the Republicans' door.




GBirkn -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 6:46:23 AM)

Nonsense.

But don't take my word for it, read an article by one of the editors of the Cato Institute (conservatives to a man), who wrote:
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Overall spending has increased twice as fast under George W. Bush as it did under Bill Clinton. And you can't just chalk that up to the demands of the war on terror. Non-defense discretionary spending is up 24 percent over the first three years of the Bush administration. That's a worse record than any president since Lyndon Johnson. The cabinet department whose budget grew the most under Bush isn't the Pentagon-it's Education, followed by Labor. The Department of Defense is fifth. . . .

How odd that Bill Clinton, that giant, walking appetite of a man, turned out to be a model of fiscal restraint, and George W. Bush, a teetotalling model of self-discipline in his personal life, turned out to be so profligate and irresponsible in fiscal policy.

It's odd too, that it was George W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, who launched the biggest expansion of the Great Society in over 30 years. Medicare was already fiscally unsustainable, facing huge shortfalls as the baby boom generation begins to retire in 10 years. The new prescription drug benefit lauded by the president in the State of the Union will make a bad situation dramatically worse. The plan will supposedly "only" cost $400 billion over 10 years. But in its second decade, the plan could cost anywhere between $1.7 to $2 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Sen. Judd Gregg (R.-NH), who voted against the bill, called it "the largest tax increase that one generation has put on another generation in the history of the country."


http://www.cato.org/dailys/02-01-04.html

And that's just on fiscal policy. Let's not even get into the war in Iraq, which drove Daniel Drezner, another conservative, to write:
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To put it crudely, my anger at Bush for the number of Mongolian cluster-f**ks this administration was discovered to have made in the planning process in the run-up to Iraq was compounded by the even greater number of cluster-f**ks the administration made in the six months after the invasion, topped off by George W. Bush's decision not to fire the clusterf**ks in the civilian DoD leadershop that insisted over the past two years that not a lot of troops were needed in the Iraqi theater of operations.


http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/001688.html

Neither of those problems can even remotely be said to have started under Clinton.




esteban -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 7:00:20 AM)

I like the analogy I saw a couple days ago--with Bush, we know where the road is, but he has no guard rails. Kerry has guardrails, but nobody knows where the road is taking us.

Have you guys seen Kerry's record on congressional authorization votes? It really is inconsistent.

Op. Just Cause: Voted for taking out Noriega in Panama in 1999. (I happened to think that was not worth the cost in $$ and lives for the infractions that Noriega was guilty of. It looked a little too much like Uncle Sam trying to retain influence over a certain canal he had built in his youth.)

Desert Storm: Voted against it. (I was for that one)

Bosnia: Voted for authorization to deploy the 6th fleet plus Marines to pummel the Serbs to the bargaining table. (I was for that one)

Kosovo: Voted for it. (I was against it. Carving up sovereign countries, even ones with oppressed minorities, is not something that sets a good precedent. We have 20K NATO troops that even if we are very lucky will still be there in a decade, because Kosovo is so impoverished that even if it was given independence, it would still be at Serbia's mercy.)

Afghanistan: Voted for it, like 99.99% of other U.S. pols above the office of dogcatcher would have done. (Of course I was for that one)

Iraq: Voted for it. (I was/am in favor of that one) Then he voted against the famous $87 billion supplemental authorization. Or he voted for it, before he voted against it--or he made a mistake about how he said it--you guys figure it out. :)




Tankerace -> RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections? (10/27/2004 7:29:13 AM)

So.... your entire thing of holding accountable for 4 years is based on fiscal spending and the war in Iraq? I support the war in Iraq, and I personally feel safer knowing that Saddam Hussein has been ousted. In the war on terror, Bush has won a fairly swift victory. Never again will another 9/11 be possible.

Fiscal spending has increased. Granted, I don't really support it, but it is one thing that I willa ccept compared to other things.

Education has gotten more attention under Bush than it has in years.

Military spending has ensured our military will be ready for anything. Had AL Gore been elected, (or Kerry now), the military would be in such a bad shape that combating a war on terror would have been more difficult than it already is.

Thanks to Bush, a nuclear missile defense system will now further protect America from terrorist attack, or attacks by other nations.

Under Bush, thanks to the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, Libya gave up its WMD program. Something that niether George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton could acheive. The War in Iraq may have saved us from fighting in other nations.

Now, I suppose you'd rather have John Kerry elected?

Under Kerry, all US military movements would be dictated by the [corrupt] United Nations. The UN would have a bigger say than the US Congress.

Kerry publicly supports a 50 cent tax increase on gas. I don't know how much it is where you live, but its high enough for my taste where I live. Then, later, he denounced it.

After 9/11, at a time when the US NEEDED intelligence, Kerry voted to cut the intelligence budget. That's like the 1 person who voted to not go to war after Pearl Harbor.

Under his fellow democrats, there is a movement to have the UN run the US presidential elections, NOT the United States Government.

You complain about Bush's raising of taxes (which would partially be ofset by tax breaks). Yet, you want to elect a man who has voted over 350 times in the senate to raise taxes.

You are against the war in Iraq. I respect that. However, it wasn't until April 2004 that John Kerry finally took a firm stance AGAINST the Iraq war, following his indecisiveness and his support for the war. At least Bush made a decision and stuck with it.

When asked in April of 2004 how Kerry would handle Iraq, Kerry said "I will stay the course. And then, once it becomes favorable, I will turn it all over to the UN." Not only is the UN corrupt, but if after 14 months of debating by Bush they wouldn't contribute, why would they for Kerry. In addition, France and Germany have already said they would oppose actions in Iraq, even if Kerry was elected.

John Kerry's flip flopping is so bad [although he denies it], that in Christmas of 2003, democratic nominee Howard Dean's staff gave Kerry a pair of flip-flops for Christmas. His own party recognizes it.

Despite John Kerry's repeated claims, the U.S. 9/11 Commission has released a statement that, since 9/11 the United States is safer than it has been in twenty years. John Kerry is trying to convince the American people that we are in more trouble, despite the US Congress supporting another statement.

19 out of 23 officers that served with John Kerry in Vietnam have publicly signed a document that he is unfit to be President.

Every living commanding officer Kerry had has publicly signed a document saying he is unfit to be President.

In 2003, John Kerry failed to attend 64% of the votes in the US Senate. In 2004 he failed to attend 80%. Even though he is campaigning, he is still technically a US senator and is expected to do his job.

There have been rumors about the draft being reinstated. Oddly enough, all of them originated with John Kerry. Bush, nor the Congress, expressed any interest in the draft. It is Kerry's way of scaring the 18-24 year old voters into electing him.

You complain about Bush and taxes. May I remind you that John Kerry pays roughly 12% income tax, and Bush pays 33-35%. The Average American pays 28%.

In 1991, Kerry was a die-hard advocate for trading with China. Now, Kerry criticizes Bush for trading with China. Anyone smell a flip-flop?

According to Matt Hayes at Fox News, "Kerry then went on to promise that the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. would be given a “path to citizenship” in his first 100 days in office."

John Kerry is prone to touting and running with false news stories. He did it with the Rather episode (Rather-gate), and he did it with a New York Times story on October 25th. The NYT article said 380 tons of explosives suddenly disappeared from a facility guarded by US troops. However, according to NBC, the explosives had been removed during the 14 months the US was bickering with the UN, and when the facility was seized on April 10, 2003, the explosives had already been moved.

My main reason for NOT voting for Kerry: During the last debate, as he had no real domestic plan, he resorted to foreign policy and personal attacks, and even attacked Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter. The Democrats are supposed to be pro-gay, and the final debate was agreed to be about Domestic issues, NOT foreign policy issues.

In addition, it was John Edwards [democrat VP candidate] that tried to politicize Christopher Reeves death, by saying that "[Through stem cells] when John Kerry is elected, people like Mr. Reeve will walk again." Not only was that in very bad taste, Christopher Reeve himself had said that such research would help them, but they could never walk again.

Oh, and need I remind you of Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry? Who in intervies has said people are "idiots for not agreeing with my husband", and in TV and radio interviews, called people scumbags and told them to shove it. In addition, when asked about First Lady Laura Bush, Heinz-Kerry said "I don't think Mrs Bush has ever had a real job."* While the statement was quickly recanted, the fact is it was made. Do you really want her as an emissary of the United States?

Bush isn't the perfect choice. But he is definately the better of the two, at least in my opinion.

*FYI, Mrs Bush was a teacher, librarian, and mother of two before becoming the First Lady. Are those "not real jobs"?




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