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racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/2/2006 6:40:41 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-12-44 FIREBOMBING OF TOKYO The weather finally clears over Tokyo and the B-29s and Liberators deliver their heaviest blows of the war: Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5c Zeke x 18 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7 Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 22 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 3 Ki-102a Randy x 7 Allied aircraft Mosquito PR.IX x 4 P-38J Lightning x 50 PB4Y Liberator x 53 B-24J Liberator x 78 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zeke: 10 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 17 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 3 destroyed Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 9 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged Manpower hits 235 Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5c Zeke x 8 Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 2 Ki-102a Randy x 5 Allied aircraft B-29 Superfortress x 239 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 1 damaged Ki-102a Randy: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 35 damaged Manpower hits 307 Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5c Zeke x 4 Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 1 Ki-102a Randy x 3 Allied aircraft B-29 Superfortress x 45 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged Manpower hits 67 Over 600 manpower hits are scored on Tokyo and a level 33,000 firestorm is started. CENTPAC: INVASION OF OKINAWA Over 220,000 Allied troops are ashore by day 3 of the Okinawa invasion: Ground combat at Naha Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21616 troops, 179 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 223453 troops, 2463 guns, 133 vehicles Allied ground losses: 54 casualties reported Waves of kamikaze aircraft are launched at the invasion fleet but not a single one makes it through. [image]local://upfiles/14495/1DED351F0D214EFFAFC10EBBE34400CF.jpg[/image]

Alikchi2 -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/2/2006 7:41:21 AM)
My God. The fact that you have all this power, even after the huge battles of 42, is.. just stunning.

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/3/2006 7:13:48 AM)
Alikchi... Well you are correct about the huge battles of July/August 1942 determining the outcome of the war but it was Japan that could not keep up with the battle of attrition. Sure the Allies lost something like 9 BBs, 8 CAs and 40 or so DDs in the Gilberts Campaign but Japan lost about 60 DDs and hundreds of irreplaceable pilots. The Allies still have 19 BBs (after losing 13 BBs in 1942) but all the sunk CAs/CLs have been upgraded while being replaced and I think that I have 50-60 DDs sitting around in ports that I have no use for. In regards to carriers, the Allies have lost a total of 1 CVE...all their original 20 CVs and 10 CVLs are still operational. In regards to ground forces, the Allies havent lost even as much as a brigade since the fall of Java in April 1942. But all of the destroyed naval, air and land assets, the worst loss that Japan suffered in 1942 was the loss of initiative. SITUATION REPORT: 12-13-44 CENTPAC....INVASION OF OKINAWA After 3 days of unloading on the beaches an all out shock attack is ordered at Okinawa. The day begins with a massive bombardment by a multinational surface group with USN, RN and French BBs: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/13/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Naha, at 54,46 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 13 destroyed A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed F1M2 Pete: 3 destroyed Allied Ships CA Vincennes CL Marblehead CL Perth CA Pittsburgh CA Baltimore CA San Francisco CA Louisville CA Houston BB Richelieu BB Howe BB New Jersey BB Iowa BB South Dakota Japanese ground losses: 1471 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 20 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 126 Port hits 7 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 3 The shock attack goes off as planned but the results are less than impressive: Ground combat at Naha Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 21052 troops, 163 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 224353 troops, 2490 guns, 134 vehicles Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Naha Allied Shock attack Attacking force 202190 troops, 2490 guns, 54 vehicles Defending force 23146 troops, 163 guns, 0 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 8 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 8) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 7 Japanese ground losses: 1280 casualties reported Guns lost 10 Allied ground losses: 2053 casualties reported Guns lost 58 Vehicles lost 1 It looks like another drawn out island campaign is in store for the Allies. [image]local://upfiles/14495/AFF5D79324C04F3E95E554385CD17809.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/5/2006 2:22:49 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-15-44 CENTPAC...INVASION OF OKINAWA The Allies capture Naha in a massive shock attack: Ground combat at Naha Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 20315 troops, 152 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 234987 troops, 2419 guns, 140 vehicles Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Naha Allied Shock attack Attacking force 212908 troops, 2417 guns, 86 vehicles Defending force 22029 troops, 156 guns, 0 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied forces CAPTURE Naha base !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 1361 casualties reported Guns lost 18 Allied ground losses: 2133 casualties reported Guns lost 44 Vehicles lost 2 PHILIPPINES CAMPAIGN SWPAC and CENTPAC troops close the vise on the remaining Nips on Luzon. [image]local://upfiles/14495/6D1D3740E6874C659A4BD5DB498156B0.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/7/2006 4:39:09 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-16-44 PHILIPPINES CAMPAIGN SWPAC troops clear out San Marcelino in a shock attack. The Japanese flee north across the river and the remnants of the once powerful 150,000 Japanese army in Luzon in now trapped in Lingayen and Vigan. OKINAWA: CENTPAC troops in Naha begin their march to Kadina. The Allied BBs are refueling at Iwo and should be back to lend ground support within the week. Allied autovictory in 2 weeks ....here is a screen shot of the current point totals: [image]local://upfiles/14495/6D9E9C7C970D4A6AA922E97E62A87F93.jpg[/image]

saj42 -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/10/2006 2:59:39 PM)
I find the differences in aircraft losses most interesting - Allied 'Op losses' and Jap 'destroyed on field'. It says a lot about the way the air campaign has been fought.

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/15/2006 5:37:06 AM)
Tallyho...if this game would continue for a couple more months you would find Allied losses from operations surpassing those from enemy A2A. I find it interesting that Allied pilots would need to fear mechanical/navigational/pilot error more than enemy fighters. SITUATION REPORT: 12-19-44 STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND....BOMBS OVER TOKYO Three successive waves of Allied heavy bombers hit Tokyo in the largest firebomb attack on Japan of the entire war: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/19/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5c Zeke x 6 Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 9 Allied aircraft Mosquito PR.IX x 4 P-38J Lightning x 31 PB4Y Liberator x 58 B-24J Liberator x 78 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zeke: 5 destroyed Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed PB4Y Liberator: 10 damaged B-24J Liberator: 12 damaged Manpower hits 167 Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5c Zeke x 1 Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 4 Allied aircraft B-29 Superfortress x 209 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 28 damaged Manpower hits 228 Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43 Japanese aircraft Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 2 Allied aircraft B-29 Superfortress x 110 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 23 damaged Manpower hits 146 The 541 manpower hits start a level 42,000 firestorm. Tokyo is becoming a very dangerous place to go to work. CENTPAC: Allied troops continue their march across the island of Okinawa but are still a couple of weeks out of Kadina. SWPAC: Allied troops continue to envelop Japanese positions in Lingayen. [image]local://upfiles/14495/45C321E12D3749F78BF8A750F2646D2B.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/20/2006 10:48:08 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-22-44 The Allies sent 12 BBs to bombard Nagasaki...the first naval bombardment of a Japanese homeland city in the entire war: Naval bombardment of Nagasaki, at 58,42 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27 Nate: 3 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 destroyed H6K2-L Mavis: 1 destroyed A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed J2M Jack: 3 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 4 destroyed Japanese Ships AG AG-355, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AG AG-2081, Shell hits 1, on fire Allied Ships CA Concord CA New Orleans CL Glasgow CL Achilles CA Australia CA Boston CA Wichita BB Resolution BB Revenge BB Alabama BB Pennsylvania Japanese ground losses: 777 casualties reported Guns lost 10 Airbase hits 17 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 60 Port hits 2 Naval bombardment of Nagasaki, at 58,42 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses J2M Jack: 2 destroyed Ki-27 Nate: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed 83 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships AG AG-5033, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships CLAA Van Heemskerck CL Mauritius CL Tromp CA Exeter CA Quincy, Shell hits 16 CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage CA Chicago CA Indianapolis BC Repulse BB Valiant BB Warspite, Shell hits 14 BB Washington BB Colorado Japanese ground losses: 613 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Airbase hits 11 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 63 Port hits 1 Naval bombardment of Nagasaki, at 58,42 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 destroyed A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed 14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships AG AG-5067, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AG AG-5071, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships CA Hobart CA Hawkins CA Cornwall CA Devonshire CA Sussex, Shell hits 6, on fire CA Shropshire BC Renown BB Royal Sovereign BB Queen Elizabeth BB Prince of Wales BB Indiana Japanese ground losses: 440 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 44 The results of the bombardment were less than impressive and CA Sussex and CA Salt Lake City were heavily damaged by the Nagasaki CD guns. PHILIPPINES CAMPAIGN: SWPAC launches its first assault on Lingayen and reduces the fortifications there to level 8: Ground combat at Lingayen Allied Shock attack Attacking force 152065 troops, 987 guns, 3186 vehicles Defending force 90553 troops, 536 guns, 1 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 8 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 8) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 7 Japanese ground losses: 5626 casualties reported Guns lost 42 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 2877 casualties reported Guns lost 90 Vehicles lost 67 Another shock attack is ordered for tomorrow. [image]local://upfiles/14495/FAF9728E5F874341AA139930123E1656.jpg[/image]

Capt. Harlock -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/21/2006 10:46:28 PM)
quote: Japanese ground losses: 5626 casualties reported Guns lost 42 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 2877 casualties reported Guns lost 90 Vehicles lost 67 Another shock attack is ordered for tomorrow. Wouldn't this be the time for deliberate attacks, or are they less effective at reducing fortification levels?

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/22/2006 8:05:30 AM)
Capt.Harlock.... The shock attack is more effective in reducing fortification levels. For shock attacks, a 2:1 reduces forts by one, a 3:1 reduces forts by 2, a 4:1 reduces forts by 3 etc. etc. Check out the result of the shock attack at Lingayen for this next turn. SITUATION REPORT: 12-24-44 PHILIPPINES CAMPAIGN....BATTLE FOR LINGAYEN SWPAC launches another shock attack at Lingayen and reduces the fortification level to two: Ground combat at Lingayen Allied Shock attack Attacking force 180677 troops, 1109 guns, 3027 vehicles Defending force 77472 troops, 389 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 6) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Japanese ground losses: 1941 casualties reported Guns lost 31 Allied ground losses: 4087 casualties reported Guns lost 26 Vehicles lost 36 Lingayen should fall in a shock attack tomorrow.

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/26/2006 11:17:41 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-29-44 SWPAC captures Vigan today in a rushed shock attack. The IJA Army of Luzon is cornered in its final position.Ground combat at Vigan Allied Shock attack Attacking force 57418 troops, 43 guns, 3001 vehicles Defending force 45950 troops, 136 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 8) Allied forces CAPTURE Vigan base !!! Japanese aircraft no flights No Japanese losses Japanese ground losses: 1453 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Allied ground losses: 464 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 51 [image]local://upfiles/14495/ACFA3643774C4C15BAF954ECD3DFEED7.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/27/2006 5:35:17 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-31-44 JAPAN SURRENDERS SWPAC launchesb a final assault on Vigan: Ground combat at Vigan Allied Shock attack Attacking force 162158 troops, 969 guns, 2813 vehicles Defending force 41746 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 49 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 4343 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Allied ground losses: 1834 casualties reported Guns lost 36 Vehicles lost 44 STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND General Curtis LeMay launches his final firebombing attack on Japan: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/31/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Nagasaki , at 58,42 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 31 PB4Y Liberator x 57 B-24J Liberator x 56 Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 7 damaged B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged Heavy Industry hits 55 Day Air attack on Nagasaki , at 58,42 Allied aircraft B-29 Superfortress x 117 Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 7 damaged Heavy Industry hits 78 Japan surrenders. After 17 months real time game play Japan offers unconditional surrender. Kudos to Bison Frontier, Freeboy and Belphegor for directing the Japanese side even after the situation became hopeless. I hope that all the forum readers have enjoyed this thread. I will start a new thread with an end game analysis. Here is a screen shot with the final score: [image]local://upfiles/14495/91AE79183B144DBFB4EEF21271857BE1.jpg[/image]

Rysyonok -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/27/2006 6:13:49 AM)
Wow. Congrats!

aztez -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/27/2006 6:50:07 AM)
Congratulations [:)]

06 Maestro -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/27/2006 8:09:18 AM)
Very impressive ealy ending. The rate of play is also notable. I assume that there were many turns of little activity allowing for your 2.4 turns per day. Congratulations. I'm looking forward to your summary.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/27/2006 10:34:35 PM)
quote: SWPAC launchesb a final assault on Vigan: Ground combat at Vigan Allied Shock attack Attacking force 162158 troops, 969 guns, 2813 vehicles Defending force 41746 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 49 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 4343 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Allied ground losses: 1834 casualties reported Guns lost 36 Vehicles lost 44 49 to 1 odds with only a 4:1 edge in men -- there's the value of tanks and artillery!

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (3/30/2006 1:07:23 AM)
Thanks all for your comments. Maestro....when the game was started with Bison Frontier we made it through 14 months of game time in slightly over 3 months real life....an average of 4 turns per day. When Freeboy subbed we made in through 1 month of gametime in about 1 month of real life. Belphegor and I made it through the final 22 months of the game in about 12 months real life so almost 2 turns per day. I will try to get a summary posted here over the next 24 hours.

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