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ORIGINAL: testarossa

Does the absence of betas and developers indicate the work on 1.40? Or they are just taking a break? And I've read here that 1.40 will be the last one?

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

If 1.4 is the last one they either have no clue what they got into with a game the size of WITP or they sold you guys a half game for full price.

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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

According to the "Exciting Update" thread, Mike Wood (the programmer) has to move on to other projects, and so 1.40 (As indicated by Kid in anoth thread) is the only definate forthcoming patch. So, unless they suddenly do a 180 and listen to the people that bought the product, any bugs that are left after 1.4 will simply become "undocumented features".

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Geez, I know how you guys feel, but everything mentioned so far as regards patches and such is speculation. The way I read that landmark post was that 1.4 would be the last FEATURE patch. IOW, Matrix and 2by3 would still fix bugs but not add new stuff.

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ORIGINAL: worr

So some are loosing leaders to automatic convoy routines?

So if you do yours manually you cannot loose a leader?

Worr, out

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ORIGINAL: fbastos

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Geez, I know how you guys feel, but everything mentioned so far as regards patches and such is speculation. The way I read that landmark post was that 1.4 would be the last FEATURE patch. IOW, Matrix and 2by3 would still fix bugs but not add new stuff.

I can see them fixing bugs, but at the same time there are severe problems with the model that can only be addressed by rethinking parts of it. Some of it can be addressed on the OOB by heroes like Pry, but for other stuff we need a programmer working on the code.

While I understand the economics of such commitment (and I am willing to pay for maintenance), at the same time I'm not willing to see 2by3 cut and run and just leave us with whatever problems the game engine may have - especially so soon after it was launched.

As I write this, I realize I demand too much from a game; I just bought Vampire the Masquerade and really don't care if its developer will support it or not. I just intend to play it once and that's it. But then the vampire doesn't require nearly the same amount of dedication and commitment to play; for my commitment to WiTP, I do require total commitment from the developers.

F.

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ORIGINAL: von Murrin

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ORIGINAL: fbastos

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Geez, I know how you guys feel, but everything mentioned so far as regards patches and such is speculation. The way I read that landmark post was that 1.4 would be the last FEATURE patch. IOW, Matrix and 2by3 would still fix bugs but not add new stuff.

I can see them fixing bugs, but at the same time there are severe problems with the model that can only be addressed by rethinking parts of it. Some of it can be addressed on the OOB by heroes like Pry, but for other stuff we need a programmer working on the code.

While I understand the economics of such commitment (and I am willing to pay for maintenance), at the same time I'm not willing to see 2by3 cut and run and just leave us with whatever problems the game engine may have - especially so soon after it was launched.

As I write this, I realize I demand too much from a game; I just bought Vampire the Masquerade and really don't care if its developer will support it or not. I just intend to play it once and that's it. But then the vampire doesn't require nearly the same amount of dedication and commitment to play; for my commitment to WiTP, I do require total commitment from the developers.

F.

WITP was and is a dream project, so I really do see certain members of the community eventually getting some hands in the pie. Heck, even Paradox's EU2 is on the verge of getting a community built map-hack program, with the full knowledge and possibly some assistance from lead programmer Johan. Ultimately, dev teams have to do what gets them money and we as gamers must render what solutions we can or might be given. Sure, from the POV of a purist, this will likely be far from ideal, but such is the reality of the business.

As for Bloodlines, I think it a wonderful game (haven't played much else, really). The big catch is whether or not Activision will play ball by allowing Troika sufficient patching time and ultimately the release of an SDK. One can only hope, given the potential strength of its mod community.

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ORIGINAL: von Murrin

thank God we don't have a publisher like Strategy First, Bethesda, or EA between us and 2by3.

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ORIGINAL: testarossa

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ORIGINAL: von Murrin

thank God we don't have a publisher like Strategy First, Bethesda, or EA between us and 2by3.

You forgot UBI soft. They left me out on the cold with Destroyer Command ans Silent hunter 2.

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ORIGINAL: von Murrin

Well, I don't feel as though I've been sold out; it is being patched and supported after all. I think the key difference lies in the fact that you are a purist, whereas I simply want some fun with good history. The impassionate bottom line is always one of finance, whether or not we like it, and both Matrix and 2by3 have been receptive to suggestions. That's not insignificant given industry trends and the reality of our status as customers. Games have become so complex that it is only by the grace of the developers that we get something like any requests filled at all; thank God we don't have a publisher like Strategy First, Bethesda, or EA between us and 2by3.

I'm not saying this is satisfactory, but given the trends in the industry I find myself increasingly pushed farther and farther into the indie realm for game entertainment purposes, only rarely making a considered purchase outside a set circle of trusted dev teams. Even then, I'll back away from titles if certain publishers get the rights to a title I've been following.

Companies like Matrix, Battlefront, Paradox (Yes, I know some will strongly disagree here. I've heard it all before, so do me a favor and don't.), and Shrapnel are the last bastion of consumer support in the game industry. I'll not vote with my feet until it's abundantly clear this too is past history.

PC games are going the way of television programming but I'll not give up just yet. Hopefully we all can see our way to finding a solution that works well for purists such as yourself as well as those more easily satisfied like me.[:)]

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Perhaps I'm more of a purist than most but there is nothing too outrageous in wanting what was advertised. At the very least a finished product. Wanna know what happens to bars who sell 16oz pints of draught as a 20oz? They go under. Pretty basic stuff.

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ORIGINAL: testarossa

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Perhaps I'm more of a purist than most but there is nothing too outrageous in wanting what was advertised. At the very least a finished product. Wanna know what happens to bars who sell 16oz pints of draught as a 20oz? They go under. Pretty basic stuff.

I think they will have to patch it up. Otherwise nobody here is going to buy their next title.