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Feinder -> RE: [OT] Charles Darwin (2/15/2005 5:48:35 PM)

That part's the kick.

There are actually several "flavors" of evolution. And technically, Darwinism is a subset of Evolution, but not entirely the same.

One of the fundamental problems is, you have people on both sides of the issue arguing for against the other, with only 3 paragraphs of a high-school text book, or a few Sunday school classes under their belt.

They in-fact know little or nothing of the merits or weaknesses of the the other's argument. It ends up being an emotionally charged situation, where neither side can be objective.

Evolution works on the small scale that we can measure. That much is known. But again, we cannot PROVE that it is the originator of life (whether it's 1.6 billion years ago, or 6000, depending on your perspective). Therefore, despite the fact that we know things evolve, the Theory of Evolution, which descibes the originator of life on Earth as having come from a goo of amino acids; is inded a theory, because it cannot be proven as the originator of life.

Creationism, by it's very defintion, requires faith. Again, all that we have to go on for Creationism, is a book that says it happened 6000 years ago (if you take it litterally). Or even if you're more liberal in your interpretation of Creationism, and say that God set things in motion (even if it was 1.6 billion years ago, which is what I happen to believe by the way), it still requires -faith- because you're believing in something that cannot be proven (that a higher power actually started the ball rolling, and that it wasn not random chance).

Which then brings the circle of "Why not teach creationism in schools?"

It is quickly argued that "Separation of Church and State" precludes the teaching of Creationism in schools, because it assumes (by it's very definition), that a higher power created things to begin with. The belief in this higher power, is by definition religeon, and thus should be kept out of school. Quick and simple.

But the other side of the argument is that, since Evolution cannot be proven as the origin of life, it too requires -faith- that it is indeed the origin of life. The fact that you're not assigning the credit to God is irrelevent. It still requires faith that it is true, because it cannot be proven. Faith in "science" (aka Humanism), is just as much as a religeon as Buddism, and obviously produces zealots just as enthusisic as any of the other world religeons. So if Evolution requires faith, and is taught in schools, then why can't Creationism be taught? (or at least the disclaimer that Evolution is only a theory). And so the argument goes.

Like I said. I think God has more important things for us to worry about, than stickers in text books. But all the same, I'm fairly well-versed on both sides of this issue, and can play this game for either side.

-F-




panda124c -> RE: [OT] Darwin (2/15/2005 7:48:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

An I thought you were writing about the base in Australia.

But yes some people don't believe in the theory of evolution and (from thier point of view not mine) if evolution is wrong then it should not be taught in schools.

Personally I think the world is held up by 4 elephants riding on the back of a gaint turtle but I am having no luck getting that into the local textbooks.

[:D]



And it's flat. [:D]




panda124c -> RE: [OT] Darwin (2/15/2005 7:53:07 PM)

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Meanwhile as we stew and shout and jump up and down and rant and point fingers the continents below us slowly grind along as they have for billions of years and life continues it's slow process of accumulation, diversification, and adaptation. And perhaps there's a deity up there peering down here at all of us and wonder what the hell is all the fuss.

Besides, isn't this a WW2 forum? [;)]
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Na he/she's rolling in fits of laughter. [:D]

Well, we all were fighting in his/her name........................[8|]




VicKevlar -> RE: [OT] Darwin (2/15/2005 8:36:27 PM)

Alright...locking up. This type of thread/subject do NOT belong in this forum. Take it on over to Vinny and Doggie's place to continue please.




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