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ORIGINAL: Marc

1. The Kitakami and Oi shouldn't have radar at the beginning of the war.
Only Kitakami received No.13 radar but as late as 1944/45 during conversion to a kaiten carrier.
Attached is a page from the book showing some details about the radar types stating that No.13 radar was developed in 1943/1944.

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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Well - I just ran some tests.

This is a standard test scenario I cooked up a while back to test carrier tactics ... it pits one KB near death star with 4 CV and 2 CVL in 1 task force ( 312 carrier planes ) versus 4 USN task forces containing 1 CV each [ note the USN task forces have the slowest one leading and the other three set to follow - so almost all the time, even when reacting, they wind up in the same hex - this seems to be the best way of getting the largest possible strikes for the USN in 1942 given the "CV Coordination Penalty" the USN suffer ]. The IJN TF has 25 ships, the USN TFs have 15 each. The USN has 294 carrier planes. The test is based off the Scenario 13 start and the hypothetical carrier battle happens about halfway between Kwajalein and Johnson Is. so that no bases have any effect.

So I ran 2 groups of tests ... 6 tests in each group ... first group the IJN TF had both Kitikami and Oi ... in the second group of tests, the IJN TF had neither of these ships. I was looking for any difference in CAP over the IJN TF.

The average CAP over the IJN TF with K&O was 37.0 the average CAP over the IJN TF without K&O was 39.3 ... so at least in this group of tests K&O presence did not improve the CAP over the IJN TF. The variation in results averages at 2.6 hence the difference in the results is "within the margin of error" so it is not significant that in this group of tests K&O not present seemed to have improved the CAP.

So, it looks like the type 13 radar on K&O doesn't help KB.

But does anyone know what the numbers on the radar devices mean ? There seem to be 3 that might be meaningful.

Range,
Effect,
Penetration

I'm guessing range is the range in kilometers and I'm guessing the effect is the percent chance of detecting something, as these numbers run from about 45 up to about 70 ... but I'm clueless as to what the "penetration" number would be ... some radars have a 500 here ( including the type 13 radar in question ) others have 0 ... at first I thought the ones with 500 here might be the air search radars, but alas there doesn't seem to be any coorelation between which radars have the 500 and which don't along air search versus surface search lines. So any insite on these parameters would be appreciated !

But as it stands now - I can't detect any effect of the Type 13 on K&O in carrier battles.

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Name........................................Range........................................Effect........................................Type(?)
Type 271 Radar............................28...........................................75.............................................S
Type 279 Radar..........................250...........................................70.............................................A
SC Radar.....................................24...........................................50.............................................S
SG Radar.....................................28...........................................75.............................................S
SJ Radar......................................25...........................................70.............................................S
CXAM Radar...............................150...........................................50.............................................A
SCR-270 Radar...........................250...........................................70.............................................A
CPS-1 Radar...............................400...........................................80.............................................A
Type 13 Radar............................100...........................................45.............................................A
Type 21 Radar..............................20...........................................55.............................................S
Type 22 Radar..............................34...........................................60.............................................S
Sound Detector (J)........................25...........................................10.............................................A
Sound Detector (A).......................25...........................................10.............................................A

Not sure of the types. There was a column (penetration) where each set was either 500 or 0. I know the sound detectors are Air only (and were 500), so I assumed that all other sets with 500 penetration were Air sets. Don't know if some are air only, or surface only, or combined tho.

Range seems evident, altho I'm not sure what it's affect on the game is, I suppose for scramblin LRCAP for adjacent hexes.

My -guess- is effectiveness it the percent chance of a successful interception.

-F-

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Ok that was my "fear" that PENETRATION parameter was "supposed" to mean air if equal to 500 and surface if equal to zero ... unfortunately when I looked last week at the database .. their seemed to be poor correlation between real AS and Surface radars and the 500 and 0 values ... Ill try to report out on this over the next week ( traveling right now ).