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Reg Pither -> RE: Update Plans (7/15/2005 5:33:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: carnifex

Another question on upcoming patch content.

Are there any plans to add a "disband" option for all units? I built some Diplomats with kick ass ratings but I'm still paying upkeep for the useless weasels that I got at the start. Also, the 89th Militia unit has disappointed me greatly and needs to be disbanded after a shameful furled-guidon march through their home town. The alternative is letting them starve to death and even I am not that vicious.



Ooooh that'd be fun, a 'disband unit' button in a game with no 'undo' feature... [:'(]

Personally, I'd just transfer their men into other units until they're automatically disbanded.



carnifex -> RE: Update Plans (7/15/2005 5:44:02 PM)

the devs mentioned adding an undo button for some functions

for a disband function, all you would need is an 'are you sure' prompt

also, you can't transfer men out of Diplomats



jchastain -> RE: Update Plans (7/15/2005 6:48:10 PM)

I just wish someone would flog the testers and get the current version to us already. ;-)



Ralegh -> RE: Update Plans (7/16/2005 8:01:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jchastain

I just wish someone would flog the testers and get the current version to us already. ;-)


I think someone really wants to volunteer to join the testing team - how about it jchastain?

In the meantime, I am going to stop responding to questions on this forum, and play a game with the latest release of the beta-patch...



jchastain -> RE: Update Plans (7/16/2005 9:01:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ralegh

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ORIGINAL: jchastain

I just wish someone would flog the testers and get the current version to us already. ;-)


I think someone really wants to volunteer to join the testing team - how about it jchastain?

In the meantime, I am going to stop responding to questions on this forum, and play a game with the latest release of the beta-patch...


Actually, I did volunteer but it seems they have plenty of good testers. So I am trying to be patient, though I must confess that patience is rarely quoted as one of my strong points.



Ralegh -> RE: Update Plans (7/16/2005 2:04:53 PM)

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Actually, I did volunteer but it seems they have plenty of good testers. So I am trying to be patient, though I must confess that patience is rarely quoted as one of my strong points.


Patience is a virtue - but I just don't have the time. I'll talk to someone, or something.



jchastain -> RE: Update Plans (7/17/2005 6:15:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ralegh

Patience is a virtue - but I just don't have the time.

One of my dearly departed grandmothers favorite phrases was "God grant me patience and give it to me RIGHT NOW!"



Erik Rutins -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 2:21:46 AM)

Hi everyone,

I want to update you on the status of the first patch. We've decided to do one more round of testing on a new version being uploaded by Eric to the test team tonight. With any luck, that means we will have the patch released Monday. Here's the updated change list. Thanks to all of you for your patience, we feel that the extra wait of a few more days will be worthwhile.

Changes 1.00->1.1
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* Should load save files from 1.0
* Added tooltip manual text to choose-upgrade dialog
* Added tooltip info in Relation Adviser
* Added some right mouse button info in attachment box
* Now shows current move orders as very faint arrows
* Increased AI run away from detailed combat threshhold
* Tweaked detailed combat AI parameters
* Added save/restore features in single-player detailed combat
* Fixed highest-glory victory screen bug
* Lowered victory points for surrender to 4000 (2000 for limited surrender)
* Decreased glory awarded for winning a war
* Fixed options available from popup menu
* Added no jiggle option for detailed combat (chit view only)
* Removed most cost requirement for "Mixed Order" upgrade
* Checks to make sure nations are still at war when processing a surrender or limited-surrender order
* Fixed a corrupt PBEM save issue
* Fixed bug when Checks whether victory points have been exceeded by cost of terms of surrender when clicking "OK" in treaty construction screen
* lowered reinforcement maximums:
In home territory, maximum reinforcement is 2000 strength / month
In neutral territory, maximum reinforcement is 1000 / month
In enemy territory, maximum reinforcement is 500/month
* Increased "Artillery Drivers" movement bonus to +3
* Fixed save/restore bug which lost units under production
* Fixed bug involving flanking bonus casualties in charge combat
* Decreased penalty for retreating into enemy territory with no friendly depot
* Land combats will no longer take place in sea zones
* Lowered combat casualties during night turns
* Fixed surrendered Napoleon special ability bug
* Can now no longer read the orders of inactive players
* Increased chance to get new commander to 16% and lowered the casualty requirement to 2,000.
* Added two additional options for scenario length (20 and 23 years)
* Added five new levels of glory requirement (6000 - 10,000)
* Increased maximum number of upgrades for each nation to 40

Regards,

- Erik



Hanal -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 2:36:17 AM)

No chance in fixing the minor countriy surrender issue?.....Namely the failure for all provinces to surrender when the capital is taken, resulting in the need to constantly redeclare war as you attempt to seige each of the surviving provinces cities....



Johnus -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 2:41:08 AM)

Eric:

I assume and hope that the CTD's during detailed combat have been addressed??



Ralegh -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 2:50:46 AM)

I agree with JP - the multi-province minors bug is a BIG DEAL, and IMHO worth holding the patch up for. Too many countries are effectively unplayable.

Johnnie - in the current version of the patch, I have played about 30 detailed battles over the last few days (yeah, I know, I should do work, but heck - whats the point of running your own company if you can't slope off to test your favorite game?). Only one CTD left (caused by displacing a Lancer unit, believe it or not - I still can't believe I found it!), and that one should be fixed in the final version of the patch. So hopefully we will be CTD free. [We just need to be careful that the last few changes didn't break something - thats what happened when these darn CTDs were introduced.]



TheHellPatrol -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 3:15:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ralegh
only one CTD left (caused by displacing a Lancer unit, believe it or not - I still can't believe I found it!), and that one should be fixed in the final version of the patch. So hopefully we will be CTD free. [We just need to be careful that the last few changes didn't break something - thats what happened when these darn CTDs were introduced.]
[X(]Maybe it is related to the "Lancer build bug" i reported a few patches ago...




Erik Rutins -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 4:44:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Johnnie
I assume and hope that the CTD's during detailed combat have been addressed??


Yes.



FaneFlugt -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 4:19:50 PM)

From the Patch List:

"Added no jiggle option for detailed combat (chit view only)"

Sorry to ask, must have been adressed before on the forum, but Whats the problem with the jiggle? Is it a multiplayer Problem?

Looks great, could you post a little info on the New AI behaviour in detailed battle? What problems did you identify and is it better now?




ian77 -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 4:59:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FaneFlugt.DK

From the Patch List:

"Added no jiggle option for detailed combat (chit view only)"

Sorry to ask, must have been adressed before on the forum, but Whats the problem with the jiggle? Is it a multiplayer Problem?

Looks great, could you post a little info on the New AI behaviour in detailed battle? What problems did you identify and is it better now?



Added "option" ---- not a problem, just adding the option to switch it on/off in chit mode.



carnifex -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:03:17 PM)

Can you hold the patch and add the fix for multi-province country behavior? This is really the biggest bug around and makes playing certain nations cumbersome at best. Like when I play Sweden I have to take Denmark, because without Denmark Sweden borders on extinction, so I go through a bunch of turns and then Denmark fails to be conquered correctly (last time Jutland couldn't be conquered, remained as Denmark, and forced auto-peace every turn), so now I reload the game from various turns hoping the problem will go away, and after several tries it doesn't - well I guess Sweden gets shelved and several hours of play down the drain.



carnifex -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:04:05 PM)

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Whats the problem with the jiggle?


Makes the landlubbers sick.



ericbabe -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:26:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: carnifex

Can you hold the patch and add the fix for multi-province country behavior? This is really the biggest bug around and makes playing certain nations cumbersome at best. Like when I play Sweden I have to take Denmark, because without Denmark Sweden borders on extinction, so I go through a bunch of turns and then Denmark fails to be conquered correctly (last time Jutland couldn't be conquered, remained as Denmark, and forced auto-peace every turn), so now I reload the game from various turns hoping the problem will go away, and after several tries it doesn't - well I guess Sweden gets shelved and several hours of play down the drain.


I didn't know it was so pervasive. As Ralegh mentioned, this must have been broken in the last build of the game because we didn't have any problems like this in beta testing. Holding off 1.1 to fix this sounds reasonable -- if I can get a fix in the next day or two we may be able to finish testing it by Wednesday next week...


Eric



ericbabe -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:26:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FaneFlugt.DK

From the Patch List:

"Added no jiggle option for detailed combat (chit view only)"

Sorry to ask, must have been adressed before on the forum, but Whats the problem with the jiggle? Is it a multiplayer Problem?

Looks great, could you post a little info on the New AI behaviour in detailed battle? What problems did you identify and is it better now?


The jiggling of chits due to low morale in detailed combat was giving some people motion sickness. Not really a bug per se.

I made the AI a little less timid and... well, it's kind of hard to describe what the AI parameters due. Mostly a tweak of how it evaluates game states. I didn't spend a lot of time on the AI -- maybe one day. The priority for this patch was (1) save/load detailed combats and (2) fix the CTD's.


Eric





ericbabe -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:27:47 PM)

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Only one CTD left (caused by displacing a Lancer unit, believe it or not - I still can't believe I found it!), and that one should be fixed in the final version of the patch. So hopefully we will be CTD free. [We just need to be careful that the last few changes didn't break something - thats what happened when these darn CTDs were introduced.]


I believe I got even this one, Ralegh; I think it had to do with the number of flankers during a charge and caused a CTD because of a DIV0 error. Extremely hard to reproduce...I caught it only after giving up trying to reproduce it and staring at the code for several hours. (One needs the modified flanking bonus to be exactly 11 in order to reproduce the bug.)





ericbabe -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:28:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: J P Falcon
No chance in fixing the minor countriy surrender issue?.....Namely the failure for all provinces to surrender when the capital is taken, resulting in the need to constantly redeclare war as you attempt to seige each of the surviving provinces cities....


I haven't managed to fix this yet; still trying to isolate the problem. If you have save games with this problem, feel free to zip them and send them to ericbabe@west-civ.com with a description of where the problem is.



carburo -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 5:38:19 PM)

This is a minor problem, but I still have a question about the mixed order upgrade. Did you also fixed it? As was discussed in another thread, mixed order doesn’t work as described: currently you lose 25% of your inf firepower and get nothing in exchange. Have anyone ever seen the follow-up charge? If you didn't change it it's not worth having the upgrade, even for free.
Everything else looks very good. Only I would have liked to get the undo option. Next time?



ericbabe -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 6:40:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: carburo

This is a minor problem, but I still have a question about the mixed order upgrade. Did you also fixed it? As was discussed in another thread, mixed order doesn’t work as described: currently you lose 25% of your inf firepower and get nothing in exchange. Have anyone ever seen the follow-up charge? If you didn't change it it's not worth having the upgrade, even for free.
Everything else looks very good. Only I would have liked to get the undo option. Next time?


I may have fixed the Mixed Order bug -- there may have been a problem with the move cost requirement, and I have eliminated this requirement.

Undo is scheduled for the next patch, provided it doesn't prove too problematic to implement right away.


Eric



Mynok -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 7:12:37 PM)


Eric, Mr. Z has a save that demonstrates several problems with the North African minor nations. If you cannot get it from him, I can resend to you. I have a detailed list of steps that reproduce all the issues I've seen.



Mr. Z -> RE: Update Plans (7/28/2005 10:30:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Eric, Mr. Z has a save that demonstrates several problems with the North African minor nations. If you cannot get it from him, I can resend to you. I have a detailed list of steps that reproduce all the issues I've seen.

Yes, please do try to resend it--or post it here (you can send again to Eric, at admin@west-civ.com, among other addresses) I think Eric was unable to read the files or something.



le adder noir -> RE: Update Plans (7/29/2005 3:18:11 AM)

Hi all,

I don’t know if this has been discussed elsewhere apologies if it has, however im wondering if there are any plans (in a future patch) to allow the full range of diplomatic options to be used against minor countries.
From my Limited understanding of the game you can only subsidize the minor or declare war, I would have thought you could offer them an alliance or sign a rights of passage agreement, or even be able to offer them to be placed under protectorate.

Cheers Le Adder Noir



Mr. Z -> RE: Update Plans (7/29/2005 4:54:51 PM)


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I don’t know if this has been discussed elsewhere apologies if it has, however im wondering if there are any plans (in a future patch) to allow the full range of diplomatic options to be used against minor countries.

No, it was on our wish list (and still is), but we're not sure we'll ever get to it.

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I would have thought you could offer them an alliance or sign a rights of passage agreement, or even be able to offer them to be placed under protectorate.

Well, they can become protectorates, but they ask you for that.



carnifex -> RE: Update Plans (7/29/2005 4:57:12 PM)

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I would have thought you could offer them an alliance or sign a rights of passage agreement, or even be able to offer them to be placed under protectorate.


You don't need to ally with minors, the protectorate status is an alliance+.

Rights of passage are meaningless because you can violate the minor at will (this sentence is so wrong on so many levels).

If you give them enough love, you can ask them to become protectorate in the same right-click menu where you subsidize.




michaelwest777 -> RE: Update Plans (8/1/2005 11:19:46 PM)

Is the manual going to be updated everytime a rule / percentage change etc. occurs?



Erik Rutins -> RE: Update Plans (8/2/2005 12:00:03 AM)

No, but the readme file will. Also, we do plan on an eventual manual update.



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