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emorbius44 -> japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 6:29:03 AM)

I have a couple of big japanese armies in china at Sian and Homan. They are trying to take the cities. Right now they seem to be stuck there. Any attmept to get them to march to another hex (even friendly out of enemy zoc) results in re-setting to defensive mode the next turn. Don't see any supply/disruption/support problem. Also occassionally a unit or two launches a shock attack without orders. Anything I'm missing here? seems to be new with version 1.60.

thanks;

Bob



Belphegor -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 6:37:14 AM)

You can unstick them by setting a Japanese base (in China) as their destination...



John III -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 7:50:44 AM)

It is my miserable experience that one cannot do much of ANYTHING in China as the Japanese. I've tried bombardment and engineer attacks, deliberate attacks followed by rest, shock attacks followed by rest...all with NO result! I am attacking Yenen with 225,000 troops vs 1/4 that and cannot do anything.

My advice is to fall back and let the Chinese Hordes take it all! [:@][:@]

Remember: Don't make one of the classical blunders such as "NEVER GET INVOLVED IN A LAND WAR IN ASIA!" (Princess Bride) [:-]



emorbius44 -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 9:24:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John III

It is my miserable experience that one cannot do much of ANYTHING in China as the Japanese. I've tried bombardment and engineer attacks, deliberate attacks followed by rest, shock attacks followed by rest...all with NO result! I am attacking Yenen with 225,000 troops vs 1/4 that and cannot do anything.

My advice is to fall back and let the Chinese Hordes take it all! [:@][:@]

Remember: Don't make one of the classical blunders such as "NEVER GET INVOLVED IN A LAND WAR IN ASIA!" (Princess Bride) [:-]


Actually I had success early. Took Yenen, Langcow, Kungchen. But I'm not sure I can do much more. I want Homan and Sian so clear the rail and supply lines.

Bob



emorbius44 -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 9:25:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Belphegor

You can unstick them by setting a Japanese base (in China) as their destination...



Ok, I'll give that a try...thanks....

Bob



Gen.Hoepner -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 11:32:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John III

It is my miserable experience that one cannot do much of ANYTHING in China as the Japanese. I've tried bombardment and engineer attacks, deliberate attacks followed by rest, shock attacks followed by rest...all with NO result! I am attacking Yenen with 225,000 troops vs 1/4 that and cannot do anything.

My advice is to fall back and let the Chinese Hordes take it all! [:@][:@]

Remember: Don't make one of the classical blunders such as "NEVER GET INVOLVED IN A LAND WAR IN ASIA!" (Princess Bride) [:-]



It's not wise to attack frontally the big cities. Go for flanking. Use 100,000 men to siege the city and the with the rest go for his flanks. When the city will be cut off from any supply route it will be just a matter of time: it will fall



MarcA -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 11:37:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John III

It is my miserable experience that one cannot do much of ANYTHING in China as the Japanese. I've tried bombardment and engineer attacks, deliberate attacks followed by rest, shock attacks followed by rest...all with NO result!



I think this is what the Japanese found when they tried to take China. [;)]



wild_Willie2 -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 12:09:27 PM)

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It's not wise to attack frontally the big cities. Go for flanking. Use 100,000 men to siege the city and the with the rest go for his flanks. When the city will be cut off from any supply route it will be just a matter of time: it will fall


ABSOLUTELY NOT, that is the worst approach you can take in china. Believe me I tried that approach and now I have 100K of Chinese trapped in wuchow, and NO WAY of finishing them of. They are out of supply for 4 months or so now, but every time I attack them (zero fortifications) I get a 30/1 or so result with 3-6K casualties on my side and 1200 or so casualties on the Chinese side. If the Chinese can not retreat, they are almost indestructible.. So best choice, cut them of, but leave them a SINGLE hex to retreat to, I know this is a LOT of work (3 more hexes to occupy), but when the Chinese have been driven out of the city, you can finish them of a WHOLE lot easier then with a simple encirclement....



Gen.Hoepner -> RE: japan units in china stuck (7/15/2005 12:16:01 PM)

I'm not with you here. If you go for China, you go for Victory points. And to do so you need to destroy units. In my last match i managed to capture Chungking with 200,000 chinese in and they all went POWs...i know it takes a lot of time, but it works if you are patient



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