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hawker -> My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 9:38:05 PM)

THIS THREAD IS OFF LIMIT FOR GEN.HOEPNER

Ok,this is my first AAR.I am going to take GH with my Japanese forces. We gonna play in Andrew map mod. Andrew,thanks thousand time for great job! We agreed for some house rules:

1 - No new TFs for allies on turn 1
2 - No changes in allied orders for planes on turn one ( means that i cannot move any squadron nor change anything about planes-CAP levels, altitudes, etc...)
3 - New orders for allied TF allowed only to the already formed TFs on turn one.
4 - No allied 4Es night bombing( only naval and city attacks allowed at night).
5 - No allied 4Es mission from AFs less than 5
6 - KB is allowed to raid Manila,PH or Singapore on turn one.
7 - Kwantung units can be moved to China only paying PPs
8 - ASW TF max of 6 ships.
9 - Landings on non-base hexes NOT allowed.
10 - no sub commando kamikaze raids
11 - no float planes other than Glens allowed on subs
I won many battles agaist allied opponent but GH is better then them. I have developed two planes. Plan ORANGE and plan YELLOW.Plan orange is for first year. My first move is quick offensive on malaya,DEI,and filippines. Major offensive on khota baru is planned.Also,attack on the Kuching and all north Borneo is planned for first Turn.On the Filippines IJN will attack Wigan,Appari,Laong,Legaspi On the first Turn.Well,i am still planning.

Stay Tuned



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 9:44:12 PM)

Any last min. Tip?



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 10:02:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hawker

Any last min. Tip?



Good luck [;)]



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 10:02:25 PM)

....... you'll need it [:D]



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 10:11:43 PM)

Make a stab and cut supply line to Austraila quick. There is a base just north of Australia that I can not remember the name but it has a level 4 airbase (abmoria or something). Take it quick to catch the eveacuation of ships to Darwin.

Good Luck!



Terminus -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:09:47 PM)

You're thinking of Amboina, off the northern tip of New Guinea.



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:12:40 PM)

That be the place. Gives you good airbase to hit shipping in and out of Darwin early.



Terminus -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:15:53 PM)

Yup. Finding planes to put there is another matter though, what with all the other places they'll be needed.



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:22:57 PM)

I put 3 groups Fighter, Search, and level bomber. You only need 3 groups to start since it will take a while for the ship to make it down from Manila. I also send an invasion TF to Johnson island and do the same thing there.



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:28:11 PM)

KB wil make a short work of these renegade ships



Terminus -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:34:26 PM)

You'll need that elsewhere... Unless you dillute the strength by splitting it up, it can't be everywhere at once...



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:34:40 PM)

Yes the Big KB can make short work of just about anything it runs into. It will not make it in time to cut off ships from Manila to Darwin. The baby KB once you get them all togather at Palau can also hunt them down but that takes time to get it together.



Terminus -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:39:09 PM)

Actually, don't overestimate the strength of the KB. With the low IJN pilot pool, and the scarcity of replacement aircraft, it's like a glass hammer.



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:40:13 PM)

My initial plan is Malaya,DEI,Philippines.KB will provide support in these areas.I am not attacking PH.It is a waste of time.



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:43:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hawker

KB wil make a short work of these renegade ships


1. You'll encouter 1 ship TFs, hence you may want to split your TB squadrons to be able to hit more ships. If you use DBs use them below 15k ft. to avoid big groups (9) hitting only one ship.

2. The first days of Dec it's always bad weather, hence single ship TFs are hard to locate. I know by experience, a lot [;)].
A couple of small surface combat TFs in the critical choke points can do wonders vs. the single ships, way better than the TBs

3. I'm almost sure he'll make a stand at Java. Hence you may want to make sure he won't be able to reinforce it. Timor has to be taken ASAP.

4. Darwin is undefensible until the end of January. If you take it (and Daly) by that time, he cannot retake them by land because he'd go out of supply from Alice. This way you can make sure that Java is totally isolated.

5. IMHO Central Pacific is critical for the supply and troops flow to Australia-New Guinea. You can only grab it in the first 3 months of war. And you need it all or it's pointless. I mean that you need from Palmyra to Bora Bora. I always play the Allies and that's my biggest terror: to have the Pacific sealed.

Just my two cents.

I'll follow this AAR with interest, after all you are playing with my nemesis [:)]



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:43:33 PM)

Why is attaking Pearl a waste of time? I am just speaking in the sense that I have not played a game where Pearl has not been attacked.



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:49:48 PM)

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5. IMHO Central Pacific is critical for the supply and troops flow to Australia-New Guinea. You can only grab it in the first 3 months of war. And you need it all or it's pointless. I mean that you need from Palmyra to Bora Bora. I always play the Allies and that's my biggest terror: to have the Pacific sealed.


I am fighting a battle along that lines as the allies but not a CHS game. The Japanese player took Baker Island and I quickly took it back. We are fighting over Canton Island which he finally took in the later part of April. He has Tarawa lvl 4 air base. I have mirrored this move in another game and it gives the allies big shipping problems.



Terminus -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:53:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ADM Halsey

Why is attaking Pearl a waste of time? I am just speaking in the sense that I have not played a game where Pearl has not been attacked.


Because your Return on Investment is too low. The KB will spend a butt-load of time getting back to the real warzone after not inflicting a lot of damage on Pearl. Let the USN make the trip across the Pacific, into your backyard, and then whack them with LBA, KB, SS's, etc... In the meantime, use your resources to destroy the much more immediate impediments to your conquest of the SRA: the Royal Navy, the Dutch and the US Asiatic Fleet.



John 3rd -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/12/2005 11:53:17 PM)

I agree with MC3744. The isolation and taking of Darwin, Aust is the key. If you can grab that quick then you prevent all sorts of trouble. Those four towns in NW Australia produce enough supply that they can sustain themselves. The Aussies can chose to counterattack but they will weaken themselves elsewhere to do this. It is good to make those Aussies choose where they will fight!



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:01:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ADM Halsey

quote:

5. IMHO Central Pacific is critical for the supply and troops flow to Australia-New Guinea. You can only grab it in the first 3 months of war. And you need it all or it's pointless. I mean that you need from Palmyra to Bora Bora. I always play the Allies and that's my biggest terror: to have the Pacific sealed.


I am fighting a battle along that lines as the allies but not a CHS game. The Japanese player took Baker Island and I quickly took it back. We are fighting over Canton Island which he finally took in the later part of April. He has Tarawa lvl 4 air base. I have mirrored this move in another game and it gives the allies big shipping problems.


April is quite late for the Japs in CENPAC, the Allies are already able to concentrate some serious ground force. But if you get the Atolls when they are still almost empty (by Jan) and you prevent reinforcements being carried with the G3/4Ms you buy more time to finish the job.

On top of that you can employ the Hoepner's FCD: go in with 3-5 divisions escorted by the DS on an atoll and wipe it clean.



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:06:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I agree with MC3744. The isolation and taking of Darwin, Aust is the key. If you can grab that quick then you prevent all sorts of trouble. Those four towns in NW Australia produce enough supply that they can sustain themselves. The Aussies can chose to counterattack but they will weaken themselves elsewhere to do this. It is good to make those Aussies choose where they will fight!



There is no supply production in Northern Australia that I'm aware of. Or did I miss something? [&:]

As a matter of facts the Aussie cannot choose to counter attack, because the distance between Alice and Daly prevents this.
To counter attack by land he'd go out of supply, hence he'd loose 50% of his attack force, plus he would have no air support because you are not allowed to build new airfields. Trust me, I've been there [;)]
Hence Northern Australia can only be retaken by sea. And that will buy the Japs A LOT of time and will prevent any bombing of DEI airfields for even more time.



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:12:22 AM)

I agree with Terminus.PH is waste of time.I will let him his "precious" battleships and use KB for conquering DEI.MC,thanks for tips.I dont have enough courage to take northern Australia.My initial attack also not in Central pacific.I will take a "close formations stile".Conquer Malaya,DEI and philippines and start extracting supplies.Then i will start offensive on central pacific with my "tight formations"I mean 100k+ troops with baby KB as close support and KB as distant support.What do you think?



ADM Halsey -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:12:29 AM)

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Because your Return on Investment is too low. The KB will spend a butt-load of time getting back to the real warzone after not inflicting a lot of damage on Pearl. Let the USN make the trip across the Pacific, into your backyard, and then whack them with LBA, KB, SS's, etc... In the meantime, use your resources to destroy the much more immediate impediments to your conquest of the SRA: the Royal Navy, the Dutch and the US Asiatic Fleet.


Yes, I understand that aspect. I go for the supply cut right after the Attack on Pearl. Take Johnson Island to get an idea of what is heading that way from Pearl. Then stat the island hopping to Christmas island.

Just stating what I am doing at the moment. I just do not hang around for more than a turn or two at Pearl.



Terminus -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:19:01 AM)

In my first game as Japan, I did attack PH. It was only on my second attempt that I decided to not go for it, and I've been happy with the results. Several USN battleships and birdfarms are resting comfortably in Davy Jones' locker, far, far away from Hawai'i, victim of not only the KB, but my battleships and landbased aircraft.



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:23:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hawker

I agree with Terminus.PH is waste of time.I will let him his "precious" battleships and use KB for conquering DEI.MC,thanks for tips.I dont have enough courage to take northern Australia.My initial attack also not in Central pacific.I will take a "close formations stile".Conquer Malaya,DEI and philippines and start extracting supplies.Then i will start offensive on central pacific with my "tight formations"I mean 100k+ troops with baby KB as close support and KB as distant support.What do you think?


Please bear in mind that I'm no expert at playing the Japs (or the Allies!). My point of view is the Allied one.

Australia takes really no courage [;)]. You'll find 200-300 assault point in Darwin. A couple of divisions (or even one division and one Rgt) and it's done. Nice and easy. Nothing he can do to stop you.
If you don't take it, it'll be his starting point for the couter offensive. From Darwin even B-25 can hit Timor.
Please allow me to ask you to reconsider. It's an easy job and it pays a lot.

You play insideout. The problem I see with that is that while you hit the inside the outside gets stronger.
While if you start hitting the outside the inside doesn't grow a bit. But again this is as seen from the Allied perspective.

If I now GH he'll fortify a couple of key atolls in CENPAC, mines, fortifications, CDs, lots of assault points, the works.
By the time you are done in Malaya, DEI and PI those chosen atolls may be beyond your reach, hence the Pacific may remain open. Than you can still go for the points but not for the sealing.

Anyway judging form my war with Hoepener it doesn't look like I'm that big a general, hence you may want to forget my suggestions [:'(]



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 12:43:03 AM)

Thanks very much MC.[&o].But,let me explain,if i manage to make a short work on Malaya,DEI,and philippines in that way i can make a tremendous force to overhelm Northern Australia and fortified gains in meantime.Second,I ll try to use my elite pilots of KB very rarely.Only when is apsolutely needed.Baby KB will be engaged.I will isolate Australia in late 1942(i hope).If my plan works,in time when he attacks i will be ready and fortified with pool of excellent pilots on my disposal.[8D]



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 1:03:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hawker

Thanks very much MC.[&o].But,let me explain,if i manage to make a short work on Malaya,DEI,and philippines in that way i can make a tremendous force to overhelm Northern Australia and fortified gains in meantime.Second,I ll try to use my elite pilots of KB very rarely.Only when is apsolutely needed.Baby KB will be engaged.I will isolate Australia in late 1942(i hope).If my plan works,in time when he attacks i will be ready and fortified with pool of excellent pilots on my disposal.[8D]


It's not like you have to convince me [:D]
It's your war after all [:)]

Anyway, once again my two cents. [:'(]

Late '42 is, indeed, late.
If your read the Italian Job AAR you'll see that not even Hoepner, which I dare say is an outstanding player, managed to conquer CENPAC after May.
Once the Allies bring a couple of divisions plus support on an atoll you need at least 5-6 Jap division to take it. 100k men won't be enough.

By February Darwin will have at least 1.000-1.500 Assault points, plus fortifications.
By May he can easily get there 2-3 Australian HQ divisions by land. And that ends your chances to take it.

I'm not saying that going for CENPAC and/or Australia is necessarily the best strategy. What I'm saying - IMHO of course - is that unless you do it early, you can forget about it, especially vs. Hoepner.



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 1:22:34 AM)

Thanks MC.My first turn is tomorrow.I am still developing strategy.I know that he is though.He expects i think that KB will attack PH.He will be really surprised to see six CV in the waters of North Australia[8D].Thank you for your tips[&o].I concider to take Darwin in plans



mc3744 -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 1:36:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: hawker

Thanks MC.My first turn is tomorrow.I am still developing strategy.I know that he is though.He expects i think that KB will attack PH.He will be really surprised to see six CV in the waters of North Australia[8D].Thank you for your tips[&o].I concider to take Darwin in plans


I'm an Allied Fanboy, but this time I'll make an exception [:D]

Good luck [:)]



hawker -> RE: My war against Gen.Hoepner (10/13/2005 9:21:38 PM)

Ok.The thinking is over.I just send my opening move.I am planning blitz on Malaya,DEI and Phillipines.Major landings will be done in Khota Baru,Kutching, Aparri,Vigan,Laong,Lingayen,Legaspi.Also,Miri,Jasselton,Pontianak,Singawang is attacked. Whole Mindanao is attacked and if it goes as planned within ten days all Phillipines except Manila and Bataan will be in Japanese hands.Major naval bombardments will support landing at Davao (5 battleships and escorts).Kuchin will be hevily bombard with heavy crisers and destroyers. KB will hunt renegade ships from Phillipines and support our landings at Borneo.Baby KB wil be formed at Philipine sea.Two divisions and two eng.units sail toward Palau for upcoming invasion of Darwin.Whole submarine fleet is dispached around Wake for support landings.The plan is,conquer Phillipines asap,then use those divisons in CENPAC.I am not attacking PH.It si waste of preious time
Stay tuned.



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