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Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/26/2005 11:54:56 AM)
I have two choices for the next turn I can use my 50 B17E and 10 B17C's at Singapore to try and close Kuching or I could send them at Saigon and try to use Force Z to close Kuching. Choices choices !!!

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/26/2005 5:25:46 PM)
IJN subs have been very successfull PAUK has positioned them very well. Causing me a fair amount of grief. (I have lots of unescorted ships out there which does not help !!!!) Andy

Andy Mac -> New Plan (10/26/2005 6:25:07 PM)
One of my huge flaws is my impatience I always want to hit back... This has caused me major problems in games because I often go off half cocked. As a result I often lose all my US Carriers early. I dont think I have a single game where I have more than 3 prewar CV's by December and in most I am down four or five. My plan in this game is to use my Carriers as aircraft transports. As a result Lexington will move to Australia and offload her full strike group that I will then move toward Singapore/ Java these aircraft are the only types that I have plentifull replacements for.(Wildcats/ Dauntless) In fact 1 squadron of Dauntless's based at Amboina/ Kendari could cause real problems for the IJN. I will probably leave her with the devastatror group as it is of limited use. Lady Lex will then become a high speed aircraft transport moving between West Coast and SOPAC. Enterprise and Saratoga based from Fiji will cover SOPAC but will stay rooted there unless I know where KB is. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: New Plan (10/27/2005 1:58:37 AM)
OK Im goign for Kuching this turn throwing everything at it to try and close the field lets see what happens. I have about 60 B17's if they all fly that is hopefully enough to close it at this stage when massive engineers are not present. If Pauk gets that AF open I am not going to be able to get supplies into Singapore Andy

wobbly -> RE: New Plan (10/27/2005 10:17:59 AM)
A few days since I've been able to read. First you state that Perth has the only Oil internal to Oz - doesn't Brisbane have some? 2nd - where did you get the 50 B-17Es? Did they travel all the way across the Pacific already?

Andy Mac -> RE: New Plan (10/27/2005 10:54:49 AM)
Excellent I didnt know that I had oil in Brisbane. I have not really spent much time thinking about Aus Defence yet I am still in reaction mode. (except when I am at work without a map to check these things on !!!!!) B17's started on day 1 (we didnt have a house rule re aircraft but I chose to leave PH/ Manila and Singapore alone it didnt stop me moving my West Coast 17's starting accross the Pacific) I have 3 Groups available 2 from West Coast 1 from Pearl although I only think 2 or 3 sqns have actually arrived (I think I made a mistake I think you get more damaged by splitting them into sqns on transfer). (a lot are hung up in Timor and Java) I am acually hoping to get enough B25C's soon to downgrade some of the fort sqns as I think from Singapore B25C's (which I will have lots of are better than limited 17's also the 17's in the pool would allow me to transfer some Bolo Sqns to Australia) I may be overstating when i say 50 [:D][:D] I think that includes the 17D's of 19th BG I have about 50+ damaged 17E's scattered halfway accross the Pacific and the ones that are at Singapore are all 50 ish fatigue or higher (an early strike by the IJN at Lunga/ Canton or New Cal is going to catch a LOT of damaged 17E's on the ground.) also 5th BG has only got 11 Forts as it stayed at PH for the day 1 strike. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/27/2005 11:02:32 AM)
p.s. and this is slightly gamey so Im looking for views when I downgrade it sucks all those exposed damaged forts into the pool out of harms way so I would probably like to consolidate all the fragments into 1 sqn that I will then downgrade which will boost my Fort pool...... Too gamey ?

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/27/2005 11:04:11 AM)
<sighs> If im even asking the question it means I already know the answer..... But it was such a good wheeze to remove all the damaged forts from bases with no aircraft support points.... I guess I will need to think again

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/29/2005 1:17:24 PM)
OK a few missed turns on my part Im going for Pauk all out now Kuching must be closed I am sending in the AVG (1sqn) on sweep and every bomber I can muster are going in at 6,000 feet. He has fighters there but they must be fatigued. This is a risk my bombers are very tired win lose or draw they need to rest after this turn. Andy

Andy Mac -> Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 3:05:01 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/17/41 Not really a disaster but im trying psy ops against PAUK It did hurt AVG lost 20 planes although only 14 pilots My heavies suffered badly. I have send about 5 sqns to India if they have 3 planes or less. All fighters set to 90% CAP all remaing bombers resting. I am expecting a heavy raid on Singers (its what I would do) I lost about 60 aircraft all told Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 59 Allied aircraft P-40B Tomahawk x 24 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-40B Tomahawk: 19 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 58 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 2 Blenheim IV x 15 Martin 139 x 11 Hudson I x 13 B-17C Fortress x 5 B-17E Fortress x 41 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 12 damaged Allied aircraft losses Brewster 339D: 2 destroyed Blenheim IV: 8 destroyed Martin 139: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Hudson I: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged B-17C Fortress: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed, 16 damaged Japanese ground losses: 54 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 10

Andy Mac -> RE: Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 4:01:12 PM)
Revenge Exeter and 3 CLAA's joined up with force Z at Batavia last turn that gives me a strong (if slow) surface action TF covered by most of the Dutch Fighters. Options options......... Repulse/ POW and Revenge backed by the 8" Cruisers Houston and Exeter and Cornwall, the 6" CL's Boise, Danae, Glasgow and Enterprise and 13 DD's (Mostly RN and Dutch) Thats about the best mix of good ships and good xp crews that I have anywhere on the map. Only the CV gps have more hitting power Its powerfull and I would love to send them at Kuching but I would be betting on the weather Im not sure its worth it. The IJN seems to be sending a heavy TF to cover Kuhing AF. I would have liked to keep the AF closed for another week but it is not always possible to have what we want. I am starting a fort and supply watch on Singapore/Johore Johore lvl 5 30% with 3,997 tonnes of supplies Singapore lvl 6 15% with 48,997 tonnes of supplies Oil 3800 Resource 2800 I have about 9,000 tonnes of supply unloading in harbour at moment. Japanese are about to attack Taiping and are marching on Kuantan. I will try to delay at Malacca for a few days. 2 Australian Inf Bns have arrived as reinforcements as has 1 US Base Force and a Dutch Bn. It is my intent to hold as much strength in Singapore recovering for as long as possible. Every day that goes by my soldiers get stronger so I need to buy time to get supplies in let my troops recover disrupted squads and get the war faces up. Every extra day I can fight for Singapore is one days less exposure for my rear areas Andy

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 4:31:13 PM)
quote: My plan in this game is to use my Carriers as aircraft transports. As a result Lexington will move to Australia and offload her full strike group that I will then move toward Singapore/ Java these aircraft are the only types that I have plentifull replacements for.(Wildcats/ Dauntless) In fact 1 squadron of Dauntless's based at Amboina/ Kendari could cause real problems for the IJN. If this isn't the ultimate criticism of the air combat model (Uber Cap vs uncoordinated naval strikes and strikes vs multiple targets...either TFs, base components or LCUs), I don't know what is! Imagine how the war would have gone if reality were like the combat model??? Using fleet CVs as transports...says it all, eh?[X(][8\|]

Nomad -> RE: Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 4:38:50 PM)
Not to mention that you can take SBDs from a CV, fly them to Ambonia and perform ops without end. You never have to worry about spare parts becasue a supply point is anything you want it to be(even another SBD). [:(]

Andy Mac -> RE: Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 6:01:52 PM)
Hey I play the game as it is not how I would wish it to be. Unloading that airgroup makes sense unfortunately. Anyway no raid on Singapore today which was weird p.s. Im only going to use lex and wasp in that role. (My main gripe is how weak F4F's are against Zeros even after the bonus wears off why waste my CV's in a battle I know I will lose ?) Invasion fleet spotted approaching Amboina Lex's offloaded airgp is at Darwin but has just moved by rail so none available looks like my cunning plan is going to be a few days late.... Singapore 50721/ 3500/ 2012 S/O/R 33% now on forts at Johore and 18% in Sing so 3% per day. I have a TF with Canberra and a few CL's DD's at Kendari its moving to be in position to raid Amboina No sign of KB my scouts MSW's and Subs have not spotted KB North or South of Pearl I am risking Arizona on the route back. Every week or two I will send 1 BB back to the West Coast. Slow but safe Andy

String -> RE: Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 7:17:06 PM)
I'd suggest against such a big surface combat TF. It will surely get detected. Instead, use Pow, Repulse,2 slower CA's 2 Cl's (D' class or other british with good night exp) and 4 crack DD's (british with good night exp) to make a fast interception force. Another 30+ knot CA/CL/DD TF of similar numbers 8-10 can also be formed. With less than 10 ships your tf's can go undetected, especially when the weather is bad and when they are away from japanese bases with search planes. You might want to stand down those walruses as they give away your position usually (subs and other small tf's detected) and you have plenty of search capabiltiy in the form of your dutch floatplanes anyway

Andy Mac -> RE: Disaster at Kuching (10/29/2005 7:49:49 PM)
Aye you are correct String. I have enough surface forces to form 3 or 4 SCTF's I would like to have had 2 or 3 more CA's or CL's down supporting Canberra as I am sure that the invasion force near Amboina will be well covered. Andy

Andy Mac -> Singapore Still Stands !!!!! (10/29/2005 9:54:08 PM)
OK today was a good day !!!! Any day where I shoot down as many Japs as I lose is good. He sends unescorted Nells and Betties into Singapore CAP I shoot down 40 !!!!!!! I wonder why he did that its a tad weird but I aint complaining He then sent in a huge raid against Singapore I lost 50 fighters bversus 20 zeroes but the AF is undamaged so all in all its a good day. AVG is a tad gutted down to 30 P40B's but still 50 pilots and 1 sqn will be upgradeable to P40E's next turn (22 in the pool) BUT i dont think the Japanese will be back for a few days. I could be wrong but losing 20 zeroes on one raid is quite a lot isnt it ? The Japanese dont have that many zeroes that they can afford to lose 20 and hopefully 20 pilots this early. I then retaliate and bombers from Singapore carefully range set to avoid any possibility of bombing Kuching maul a convoy off of Khota. All in all a good day for the allies Oh and KB was sighted waiting in ambush off of Pearl I think Arizona will get through although it will be a close run thing Andy AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/19/41 TF 40 troops unloading over beach at Brunei, 32,57 Day Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 23,50 Japanese aircraft G3M Nell x 47 G4M1 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 3 Buffalo I x 21 Hurricane II x 6 P-35A x 1 P-40B Tomahawk x 37 P-40E Warhawk x 10 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 34 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 2 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 4 damaged Allied Ships CL Marblehead Day Air attack on TF at 122,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 41 D3A Val x 20 B5N Kate x 24 No Japanese losses Allied Ships MSW Grebe, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 60 G3M Nell x 62 G4M1 Betty x 29 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 3 Buffalo I x 28 Hurricane II x 5 P-35A x 1 P-40B Tomahawk x 37 P-40E Warhawk x 5 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed, 1 damaged G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 4 destroyed Buffalo I: 17 destroyed Hurricane II: 4 destroyed P-35A: 1 destroyed P-40B Tomahawk: 22 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed Blenheim I: 1 destroyed LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 14 Blenheim I x 3 Blenheim IV x 3 Hudson I x 6 P-40B Tomahawk x 5 P-40E Warhawk x 5 B-17C Fortress x 3 B-17E Fortress x 17 LB-30 Liberator x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged Blenheim IV: 1 damaged Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed Japanese Ships AP Hukuyo Maru AP Manzyu Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Tatsuwa Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire PG Chosa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire PC Ch 8 AP Izan Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Kyokusei Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire Japanese ground losses: 130 casualties reported Day Time Surface Combat, near Brunei at 32,57 Japanese Ships CL Naka DD Hatsuharu DD Nenohi DD Wakaba PC Shimushu, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsukari MSW W.2 AP Eihuku Maru AP Hakka Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Hakusika Maru AP Hikade Maru AP Josho Maru AP Meiten Maru AP Meiu Maru AP Mexico Maru, Shell hits 2 AK Tetsuzan Maru Allied Ships PT PT-44 PT PT-45, Shell hits 8, and is sunk PT PT-46 PT PT-47, Shell hits 74, and is sunk PT PT-48, Shell hits 11, and is sunk [image]local://upfiles/11987/B1AD52B31A2A4FE5AA4261538B794A48.jpg[/image]

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/29/2005 10:02:42 PM)
p.s. Singapore 54,726, 4904, 3200 Supply/ Oil/ Resource Fort 18% Johore is now 37% towards lvl 6 I hope having gone to this effort to reinforce I can actually hold when the time comes for at least a few weeks

Alikchi2 -> RE: Defence (10/29/2005 10:16:28 PM)
Wow, impressive!! [:D] Have you brought in any ground units too? Historically I think we brought in two Indian Brigades (44th and 45th?) and a chunk of the 18th UK Div. I'll be interested to see how long you can hold.

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/29/2005 10:41:28 PM)
Gull and Lark, plus best part of 2 Dutch Bn's and cadres of about 6 US Base Forces and the EAB Regt from PI. I want to rebuild them to the extent that I get the AA guns Singapore is going to fall but I want to thin out his Air if I can. I will try to get a few more Bn's in but its hard with Kuching hostile. I am not bringing anything from outside of DEI. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/29/2005 10:45:30 PM)
p.s. when I say cadres I am bringing in 5 USN subs worth its a good chunk of each base force not just 1 squad. When (if sing gets to level 9 port ill use my USN subs as ML ers) until then they are doing sterling service sucking in forces from all over the PI and DEI to the place I have decided to make my stand. Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: Defence (10/29/2005 10:52:27 PM)
KB hunts the arizona will she escape to San Diego..... [image]local://upfiles/11987/EBEB1F8768C44ACC98B1F02CEEB0CE47.jpg[/image]

Andy Mac -> 21/12/41 (10/30/2005 1:07:23 PM)
PT Boats do ok !!!! and are holding the line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 32,56 Japanese Ships CL Naka DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Nenohi, Shell hits 2 DD Wakaba DD Hatsukari MSW W.2 AP Eihuku Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire AP Hakusika Maru AP Josho Maru AP Meiten Maru AP Meiu Maru AP Mexico Maru AK Tetsuzan Maru Allied Ships PT PT-44, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-46 Ground combat at Manila 1st Assault on Manila is held I wasnt relying on forts anyway next attack will be decisive if the bonus due to Urban is enough I will hold on for a while otherwise PI could be all over pretty dammed quick !!! Andy Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 127136 troops, 1442 guns, 178 vehicles Defending force 60290 troops, 539 guns, 135 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 2769 casualties reported Guns lost 90 Vehicles lost 9 Allied ground losses: 1160 casualties reported Guns lost 23 Vehicles lost 2 [image]local://upfiles/11987/818049902B3740298476747EB45725F1.jpg[/image]

Andy Mac -> RE: 21/12/41 (10/30/2005 4:45:55 PM)
OK Short update my units are withdrawing from Moulmien every time they do they shock attack at the river which is a complete pain. I managed to re open the Chungking Road from Changsa by Shock attacking a Jap force back off the road. (those troops now 50 xp which is dammed good for Chinese) Singapore 22% Johore now 48% 68k supplies 30k oil and 10k resources. I need to hold for the supplies to become an issue and 4 of my Bsdes have now been retreated which may be a problem

Andy Mac -> RE: 22/12/41 (10/30/2005 10:40:42 PM)
Slightly longer feedback i have trimmed it down to the highlights IJN Cruiser sinks an AP. Subs are active May Dauntless's scattered all over the DEI get off to a good start a 1000lber hits on a CA near Amboina Managed to clear my back route from Changsa I would pursue but I dont want to get off the Road Network to early. So far at Singapore I have the full EAB Bn, the USMC AA Regt and the 200th USAA Regt has almost arrived. Add cadres of 3 USAAF Base Forces. If I can hold for a while I hope to use the Flak effectively to shoot down enemy Aircraft. I have 65k of suppplies in Sing/Johore and an additonal 30k in the harbour as we speak if I can unload them and hold the line at Johore I have a shot to extend this fight for a while. No sign of 33rd/ 55th or 56th Div yet so Im worried as to where they are. Andy AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/21/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 61,88 Japanese Ships CL Kashima, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships AP Royal T. Frank, Shell hits 25, and is sunk AK Surigao AK Wawa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 20,59 Japanese Ships SS I-155 Allied Ships AK Kota Radja, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Brunei, at 32,57 Japanese Ships DD Michishio DD Oshio DD Hibiki CA Atago CA Takao Allied ground losses: 45 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 Port hits 8 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 28,55 Japanese Ships AK Nissyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Fusemi Maru PC Ch 15 PC Shonan Maru #6 PG Shinko Maru #3 PG Muro Maru Allied Ships SS S-39, hits 2, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 41,71 Allied aircraft SBD Dauntless x 2 Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Kinugasa, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet Ground combat at 45,35 Allied Shock attack Attacking force 59918 troops, 354 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 28550 troops, 329 guns, 134 vehicles Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 104 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Allied ground losses: 578 casualties reported Guns lost 34 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Andy Mac -> RE: 22/12/41 (10/30/2005 10:51:13 PM)
My stratrgy with the two sqn of dauntlesses is to keep the headline fragment on Java but have 4 or 5 bombers scattered on front line bases. I dont want to take the chance Wobb took and put them all in one place where they can get flattened. I just want to scatter them to numerous bases in penny packets. If I do this I hope it will keep Pauk honest about trying to launch deep raids on places like Bali as he will know I have aircraft that can hurt him. I want and need to slow him down I figure PI will be over by mid January I dont think I have done anythong stupendously stupid or that Pauk has been brilliant I just dont know how to fight for the PI to the historical date. It seems to fall very quickly in every game. Every day I delay is one more day to fortify rear areas but I expect him to be able to attack North or South by April Andy

String -> RE: 22/12/41 (10/30/2005 11:13:49 PM)
How did you get dauntlesses there? Marine sqdns i assume?

Andy Mac -> RE: 22/12/41 (10/30/2005 11:34:26 PM)
I took Lady Lex's sqns off of her she is now offically a barge on the West Coast to SOPAC run. Wildcats just stink to much v KB for me to risk any kind of a carrier battle so Im converting 2 or 3 Fleet Carriers into aircraft transports. Even after Zeroes lose the bonus 80xp Wildcats dont do well toe to toe with 90 xp A6M2's to make it worthwhile. Its sad but untill Hellcats come along I am avoiding anything that looks like a CV battle Andy

Andy Mac -> RE: 22/12/41 (10/30/2005 11:35:55 PM)
p.s. one exception I will form a CV fleet around my RN Carriers using Seafires for Escort and CAP they at least have a shot against the zeroes. But I will not risk a CV Battle without at least 2 Seafire Equipped RN CV's to head up the fleet my USN ones will be there purely as bomber bird farms. I will probably consolidat 3 or 4 Seafire Sqns onto 2 RN CV's and use them as floating Fighter platforms, Andy

Andy Mac -> Gambling !!!! (10/31/2005 11:15:00 AM)
I have misplaced the combat replay but key points are Brunei fell, Kuching has 20 Zeroes on CAP and we are skirmishing near Kendari/ Amboina. I am going to try something sneaky. I have spotted some auxilliary aircraft at Alor Star. As a result I am going to hit it with an effort strike. Pauk will shut down Singapore soon so I need to hit while I can. I figure (trying to second guess him) that he will move zeroes to Brunei and Kuching assuming that I will hit either of them oil or airfields. So I won't everything I have will hit Alor Star with the full AVG on escort. Now this is a massive risk he could hit Singapore while my CAP is down BUT I think he will try to mousetrap me at Kuching or Brunei. At this stage its all about throwing the dice. Andy

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