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ORIGINAL: ADavidB

For those folks who had difficulty understanding what I was getting at in the B-29 thread, here is a summary of what I recommended:

1 - Get rid of the ahistorical changes to the capabilities of both sides

2 - Set victory levels so that the better player can win under historical conditions

Those two recommendations drive the victory levels that I suggest.

Now, I realize that means that a good Japanese player will not be able to conquer the map against a good Allied player. But both will be able to test out the capabilities of their forces and their own ability to improve upon history. So, for example, an Allied player will have to attempt to successfully engage the Japanese player early in the war to avoid a Japanese autovictory.

Now, this would mean that the Developers would have to do a fair amount of recoding. This would take time and money. I, for one, would be more than willing to buy a "WitP II", similar to the many other great computer games that have been improved and resold as new editions.

This way, those folks who want to play the current "what if" version can continue to play it, and those folks who want to play a historical simulation can play that too. Both sides win and Matrix/2x3 gets to sell more product.

It seems like a good idea to me.

Cheers -

Dave Baranyi

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This brings up a question I may have asked some time ago - but does this mean that WitP 'out of the box' is just too buggy to play?

Is there certain level of game patches you can go up to that does fixing without modifying the original game?

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Of course, all this is academic as Mike Wood will soon leave WitP for WIR and I doubt we'll see any updates for a while, unless WPO highlights any new problems.

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ORIGINAL: Bodhi

Well it's a new day and I think I'm on better form today - at least at work. [;)]

However I still can't see how changes in victory conditions, or even 2by3 releasing an SDK, will suddenly make WitP more of a simulation and less of a game. For example, how would either of these alter the problem of air-to-air combat results when a large number of planes are involved, or address problems with ASW? After all victory conditions are just the means of deciding who wins and looses a game, and don't have any direct impact on how well a program simulates warfare in the pacific during WWII. Or am I still missing something? [&:]

Of course, all this is academic as Mike Wood will soon leave WitP for WIR and I doubt we'll see any updates for a while, unless WPO highlights any new problems.

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I remember playing a board came called Ironbottom Sound and the VPs for ships were "adjusted" based on relative value for the representative nation. Ie, Japanese ships had a higher value than American because there were fewer of them and Japan had a weaker economy so could not replace them as readily. Perhaps this could be utilized.