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Raverdave -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 11:17:16 AM)
Is it possible to roll back to 1.6 without having to re-install the entire game? I hope so [:(]

fabertong -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 11:19:32 AM)
Are you really going to rollback to 1.6??!?!?!?!?

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 11:22:42 AM)
it is an option for us but .... maybe it will not be needed - i will move another 10 div to chungking and kill this city later under 1.8 i have no need to fear allied in india - they will be unable to drive me out of there in 44 all allied units will be few hexes off bases against fortified enemy :-) defence against russia in 45 should not be difficult too all free units will go sooner or later to pacific

fabertong -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 11:27:21 AM)
Chungking is always a tough nut to crack.......but it seems to me if you persivere you will take it from Raver.......

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 11:29:11 AM)
no need to rush russian will never beat kwantung army under this model for me it is too late to help

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 12:24:45 PM)
report from lat 3 days - air-naval battle at eastern route to darwin attacks on 26th and 28th - 27 th weather prevented strike on 28th both sides lost 60 planes - allied -P38 jap mixed tony/zero/betty force western route to darwin is not safe and eastern is not safe too 5/26/43 Day Air attack on TF at 48,91 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 24 G3M Nell x 12 G4M1 Betty x 29 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 29 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 13 destroyed Allied Ships DM Gamble, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DM Sicard, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DM Tracy ML Weehawken, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage ML Oglala, Torpedo hits 1, on fire Day Air attack on TF at 49,91 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 15 G3M Nell x 18 G4M1 Betty x 32 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 24 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 20 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 15 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 14 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 23 destroyed Allied Ships DD Mugford AS Sperry AO Suamico, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Blue, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Bagley DD Cummings DMS Zane, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SC SC-708 DMS Dorsey DD Helm DD Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,91 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 G4M1 Betty x 16 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 12 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 16 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 10 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 13 destroyed Allied Ships MSW Skylark, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Caldwell DD McCalla -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,91 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 2 G4M1 Betty x 12 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 2 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,91 Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 3 A6M3a Zero x 3 G3M Nell x 5 G4M1 Betty x 29 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 7 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged G4M1 Betty: 8 destroyed, 13 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied Ships MSW Pursuit DD Caldwell MSW Swallow MSW Requisite DD McCalla Day Air attack on TF at 47,88 Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 16 A6M3a Zero x 24 G3M Nell x 9 No Japanese losses Allied Ships DM Sicard, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage ML Oglala, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,91 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 12 G4M1 Betty x 7 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 13 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 7 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 16 destroyed Allied Ships DD Blue, on fire, heavy damage AO Suamico, on fire, heavy damage

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 4:03:58 PM)
epilogue allied convoy losses AO 2 DM 2 ML 1 DMS 1 DD - not confirmed but looks like Blue is sunk 1 MSW light forces dms/sc/dd made trough AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/30/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 47,89 Japanese Ships DD Murakumo DD Uranami DD Shikinami DD Ayanami DD Asagiri DD Sagiri DD Oboro DD Hiyodori Allied Ships AO Suamico, Shell hits 17, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Cairns at 47,100 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 15 G4M1 Betty x 6 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships MSW Requisite MSW Token Aircraft Attacking: 2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 44,86 Japanese Ships SS RO-63 Allied Ships DM Gamble, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Andy Mac -> RE: air offensives (7/5/2006 11:46:13 PM)
Ummm Sneer I am sure you are aware of this but you do realise how incredibly risky this would be to use all or most of China Army outside China ? The reason for this is that in my game v String taking Chungking does NOT stop Chinese respawing after Chngking falls any Chinese city held by the Chinese becomes the new source of Chinese respawning (I know this for a fact with Chengtu and I think it was Kweiyang) So you need to take every Chinese city and the corollory to this is you need to hold them all securely. Now this next bit gets to speculation and deduction but I think its logical If you dont hold them in strenght I would expect 50th Indian Para backed by the 4 US Para Bn to be paying China a visit backed by every bomber the allies can muster on CAS. All they need to do is takew the base for 1 or 2 days 1 day after they take a Chinese base voila 500,000 Chinese back in the fight ready to rumble As the allies get the equivalent of 2 full Para Divisions by 44 thats a lot of ground to cover not to mention the coastal cities Now I admit the last part is speculation but I think its logical given the roaving respawn status following the fall of Chungking in my game with String quote: ORIGINAL: aztez quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer i want to use them all not half of them� That would be a problem than [:)] Anyway just a thought from my own experience. I think we both lost thousands of aircraft in battle over Kweiyang and Chungking. Well hopefully you guys are able to continue. Witp is not perfect and I have grown somewhat "immune" of it's shortcomings.

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 3:23:18 AM)
1st all other bases are taken 2nd all - it means all except garrisons and 3-4 div mobile force - remember that currently i hold east india so china is out of para range and allied are far from PI - mobile force can be taken of these 7-8 units that are still in reinforcement list 3rd it is far too late game was bugged enough to halt me on cut off units too long and now chungking does not cooperate - now i have no such bussines 5-10 units will strenghten Kwantung - it was robbed earlier from support units 3-4 mobile reserve deep inland 5-6 coastal cities 5-6 to malaya/burma to relief currently held units 3-5 will be bought out and moved to PI/DEI 5-10 units will move to east india to change southern army units and allow them to go to pacific that's all - nothing else can be done - as far as paras -- even PI/borneo /indochina is currently at lvl 9 fort - i have a rule to build every held base to lvl 9 fort as my supply situation allows this - i'd like to see full div para landing on 1/3 inf unit dig behind lvl 9 forts deep within my teritory - it will be massacre and in many places i need to put whole inf div

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 3:26:14 AM)
stats for end of may 43 [image]local://upfiles/10540/2A7495428D3244D3B6C110FAF33FFBDB.jpg[/image]

Raverdave -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 3:57:22 AM)
China will be the russian break-out point once they come into the war. :)

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 4:06:15 AM)
i will be happy if in second half of 45 Russia will be my main problem [;)]

Raverdave -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 4:17:19 AM)
Well if you were anywhere close to being a good player you would cause an "incident" on the boarder to bring the Russians into the war.........but seeing as you are just an "average" player i doubt that you will do this.[;)]

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 4:36:16 AM)
if i did not loose so much time in china ...who knows :-) now it would be ....... you know [;)] crawling in the south started

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 10:17:43 AM)
what is allied max para range?

pauk -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 10:22:46 AM)
hehe, average player... now that was a funny, really funny...[:D]

Raverdave -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 10:48:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer what is allied max para range? About as far as a C-47 will fly[:D]

Sneer -> nightmare night (7/6/2006 11:54:00 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/43 difficult to say - looks like it was last combat mission from radm Kono... considering he will not be shortened in his size - emperor wants his head i think he will be used for kamikaze mission later in 44 interception of convoy west of Broome in my hunting waters no surprise - 2 rounds 4k and 6k distance almost no gunnery fire from my ships only 13% of torps shot inactive DDs like on allied gunnery practice can't say I like such combats 2 CLs have moderate float if my CLs can't perform this mission i don't know what combat mission they can do I don't want to move my carriers after each convoy but they looks like the only competent force on hand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 17,83 Japanese Ships CL Sendai, Shell hits 1 CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1 CL Nagara, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage CL Natori, Shell hits 1 CL Tama, Shell hits 2 CL Kiso, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Nowaki DD Kikuzuki Allied Ships DD DeHaven, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Duncan, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Gillespie DD McCall DD Ellet, Shell hits 1 DD Case DD Porter AD Black Hawk MLE Liloa, Shell hits 1 AR John C. Fremont -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLIED STARTED TERITORY REGAINING !!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Merauke Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 1709 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 54 Defending force 160 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Allied max assault: 26 - adjusted assault: 5 Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Merauke base !!!

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 12:03:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pauk hehe, average player... now that was a funny, really funny...[:D] Raverdave is disappointed by my performance too many toys were left to him and now he can't proove he is good player[:D]

Raverdave -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 12:20:31 PM)
One word..................RADAR [:D]

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 12:21:24 PM)
yup... very probable but as far as I know I had Radar too question 1 - I don't remember type or even if it is Surface type second - i don't know which jap radar doesn't waork - or if any wokrs certainly allied radar is better radar is responsible for allied good shooting but still i would like to see my ships shooting at all [8\|] too many nice toys to allied

veji1 -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 12:21:49 PM)
god this was a bad result... Get a new admiral asap..

Raverdave -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 12:24:34 PM)
Allied RADAR is much better than Jap RADAR.

Sneer -> RE: air offensives (7/6/2006 12:26:58 PM)
looks like i should scrap my old CLs there is little use for them now they dissapointed in almost all night combats Japan is master in designing crappy equipment night irvings , cls and so on

Sneer -> P-38 (7/6/2006 1:36:08 PM)
after last turns i notice drop in p-38 activity i think that pools reserves are rather low at this moment as p-38 was last half of year workhorse of allied air power i estimate 5 big (72) groups are equipped with this planes 3 in east india 1 in north OZ 1 at cooktown p38 was introduced in 10/42 144 planes arrived as reinforcements 570 were lost i don't remember replacement_reinforcement rate but i think that with 350 plane already in groups there is little or very little in reserve maybe i'm wrong certainly this stance will not last long but it would be nice to see allied are at least somehow limited

Raverdave -> RE: P-38 (7/6/2006 3:04:18 PM)
Not limited at all, just converting over to the J model as well as resting them for the next push.

pauk -> RE: P-38 (7/6/2006 3:17:24 PM)
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pauk -> RE: P-38 (7/6/2006 3:19:51 PM)
app 550 P-38 were produced since October... It seems Raver had a good teacher for lying - Luskan[;)]

Raverdave -> RE: P-38 (7/6/2006 3:21:33 PM)
Bloody spies ! Should all be shot ![sm=00000054.gif]

Speedysteve -> RE: P-38 (7/6/2006 3:22:27 PM)
LOL[:D]

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