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Capt. Harlock -> Air Losses (10/7/2006 7:21:03 AM)
Very interesting numbers for air losses. Congrats on destroying over 400 Fortresses and 800+ Lightnings.

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 8:20:07 AM)
Nemo - in this game such big strikes are rather teoretically possible and they only happen against land targets - i have never seen anything like that against ships PZB tried to do sth like that and he failed too with big strike you will have 200 - 300 as biggest and such will be eaten by cap

Nemo121 -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 10:45:33 AM)
Sneer, Difficult but not impossible... I have found that just waiting patiently until the enemy is within range of up to 3 airbases ( 1 airbase for every 300 planes required)... When I got the Allies close to 3 airbases I put about 400 planes on each, generated a 900 plane strike and managed to swat ( over the course of 3 days) 2 Allied CVs, 3 CVEs and 2 BBs. This is in 1944. It is DAMNED difficult to do and it can occur only when very specific criteria are met ( Allies operate beyond easy LBA range, Japanese have a large number of mutually supporting bases within a few hexes of eachother etc) but it is possible and you'd only need to achieve it once to force the Allied player to slow his offensives significantly for the rest of the war. I do take your point though that it is likely that you may just get several 300 plane raids and lose them all but since that's the best you can manage with conventional attacks anyway why not try something different which, if it fails, does no worse than your current methods but if it succeeds does markedly better? Anyways, back to the game ;). Sorry for hijacking the thread I've just been doing a lot of kami testing. Only about 1/3rd of the time does this work but when it does entire Allied TFs are just shattered so I thought I'd say it.

Nemo121 -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 10:47:04 AM)
BTW, yeah the Lightning numers are very interesting. What would you put these high Lightning losses down to?

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 3:45:21 PM)
lightings .... p38g were used often - basicly allied air workhorse tony/tojo with good pilots managed to get 1:1 p38j is diffrent story 1:2 is usual against them as to big LBA attacks airfields in pbems that are able to launch such attacks are often within range of enemy 4e bombers what complicate it more than seriously before frances and peggys you have only 400 bettys/nells my probability for launching so big strike is estimated as below10-15% against experianced human opponent so lots of luck is needed

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 4:23:09 PM)
i see interest in total air loses so here it is 2 page of data [image]local://upfiles/10540/04660DD92329405F83B20828505FE051.jpg[/image]

Nemo121 -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 8:54:43 PM)
Sneer, Yes I had my "box trap" set when the Allies went for Tinian. I had Saipan and Guam and Iwo Jima for the long-range kamis. Also had a few bases holding the south edge of the box clear to Saipan.

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/7/2006 9:11:39 PM)
lets hope my knife will be sharp enough when Raverdave comes to me [8D]

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/8/2006 12:28:06 AM)
slow pace so opportunity to deliver more data sub war is most absorbing just after air raids Raverdave lost 71 subs to date japan lost 29 to date about 30 allied subs were sunk in port / manila and soerabaja/ out of 40 subs sunk in open waters less than 20 were sunk by DC from hunter-killer groups and rest by bombs - with 5-6 killed by patrols from KB Helens scored over 15

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/11/2006 3:19:30 AM)
11/15/43 allied carriers again in action 200 miles from koepang let's see where allied will dare to move i would forget, british army in india is in offensive mode

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/11/2006 1:15:22 PM)
11/16/43 according to allied news agency allied offensive has already begun 20+ units attacks our position in east india and lots of carriers seen south of koepang empire HQ claims that enemy will be repulsed DMS Boggs sunk by betty's raid at darwin harbour

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/11/2006 4:54:28 PM)
relocating units AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/17/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1035 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77) Allied Ships DMS Southard BB Oklahoma, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77) Allied Ships MSW Mildura MSW Lithgow MSW Launceton MSW Latrobe MSW Katoomba MSW Kapunda MSW Junee MSW Horsham MSW Glenelg MSW Gladstone MSW Geelong MSW Freemantle MSW Echuca MSW Cowra MSW Cootamundra MSW Cessnock MSW Castlemaine MSW Bunbury MSW Bowen MSW Benalla PG Warrego, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1078 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77) Allied Ships DE LeHardy, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Koepang, at 28,77 Allied Ships DD Relentless DD Gillespie DD Eaton CL Enterprise CA Exeter CA Sussex CA Astoria BB Resolution BB Royal Sovereign BB Massachusetts BB Mississippi BB Pennsylvania BB Arizona BB Colorado BB Maryland Japanese ground losses: 566 casualties reported Guns lost 28 Vehicles lost 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 147 J2M Jack x 47 D3A Val x 8 B5N Kate x 3 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 22 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 1000 feet 27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 72 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 47 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet 45 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91 Japanese aircraft J2M Jack x 39 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 21 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 10 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 52 B-17E Fortress x 23 Japanese aircraft losses J2M Jack: 18 destroyed, 4 damaged Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 11 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 9 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38J Lightning: 7 destroyed, 3 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged Japanese ground losses: 18 casualties reported Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 15 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 48th Division, at 29,18 Allied aircraft Spitfire Vb x 4 Thunderbolt II x 21 Vengeance I x 19 P-47D Thunderbolt x 18 A-36A Apache x 42 B-25J Mitchell x 33 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 200 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Vehicles lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 11 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet 10 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet 9 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet 10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet 33 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 18 x P-47D Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet 42 x A-36A Apache bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 4 TBM Avenger x 18 Avenger II x 14 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 2 damaged Avenger II: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Port hits 2 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 14 x Avenger II bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 26,81 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 12 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged Allied Ships BB Royal Sovereign, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Maryland Aircraft Attacking: 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 27,80 Japanese Ships SS I-166 Allied Ships DMS Southard, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 29,18 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 2913 troops, 24 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 1965 Defending force 168517 troops, 1468 guns, 1610 vehicles, Assault Value = 4166 Japanese max assault: 68 - adjusted assault: 5 Allied max defense: 4352 - adjusted defense: 3225 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 540 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 31 Allied ground losses: 238 casualties reported Guns lost 11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 29,18 Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 139917 troops, 1314 guns, 992 vehicles, Assault Value = 4149 Defending force 86066 troops, 762 guns, 969 vehicles, Assault Value = 1926 Japanese ground losses: 613 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 22

Capt. Harlock -> Raver's Crowd (10/11/2006 10:23:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer Ground combat at 29,18 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 2913 troops, 24 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 1965 Defending force 168517 troops, 1468 guns, 1610 vehicles, Assault Value = 4166 Japanese max assault: 68 - adjusted assault: 5 Allied max defense: 4352 - adjusted defense: 3225 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 540 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 31 Allied ground losses: 238 casualties reported Guns lost 11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 29,18 Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 139917 troops, 1314 guns, 992 vehicles, Assault Value = 4149 Defending force 86066 troops, 762 guns, 969 vehicles, Assault Value = 1926 Japanese ground losses: 613 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 22 Shock Attack doesn't look like the best option against those odds [;)] But congrats on getting a torp into the Royal Sovereign!

Raverdave -> RE: Raver's Crowd (10/12/2006 1:37:08 PM)
Bah ! It's just a flesh wound.

Mark VII -> MSW TF's (10/12/2006 6:08:37 PM)
Why is it that when ever a non-MSW type ship is included in a MSW task force(IJN or Allied), it eats a mine or two. Same thing has happened to me in the past. In this case the Warrego was there to provide gunfire support and would be trailing the msw's and not leading them! quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77) � Allied Ships MSW Mildura MSW Lithgow MSW Launceton MSW Latrobe MSW Katoomba MSW Kapunda MSW Junee MSW Horsham MSW Glenelg MSW Gladstone MSW Geelong MSW Freemantle MSW Echuca MSW Cowra MSW Cootamundra MSW Cessnock MSW Castlemaine MSW Bunbury MSW Bowen MSW Benalla PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,� on fire,� heavy damage �

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/12/2006 9:35:32 PM)
is is strange but 1 dms providivg safety for 10 BBs on bombardment run against 10k mines base is strange as well balance of last days is 1dms and 1 de sunk and 2 BB lightly damaged so i can say it is ok to me

AmiralLaurent -> RE: MSW TF's (10/13/2006 12:07:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark VII Why is it that when ever a non-MSW type ship is included in a MSW task force(IJN or Allied), it eats a mine or two. Same thing has happened to me in the past. In this case the Warrego was there to provide gunfire support and would be trailing the msw's and not leading them! quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77) � Allied Ships MSW Mildura MSW Lithgow MSW Launceton MSW Latrobe MSW Katoomba MSW Kapunda MSW Junee MSW Horsham MSW Glenelg MSW Gladstone MSW Geelong MSW Freemantle MSW Echuca MSW Cowra MSW Cootamundra MSW Cessnock MSW Castlemaine MSW Bunbury MSW Bowen MSW Benalla PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,� on fire,� heavy damage � My own theory is that when the last mine of a minefield is swept, it the sweeping TF had something else than MSW, then its flagship will hit a mine. So when you have a lot of small minefields, and one of your tranport TF has MSW included, the flagship of this TF is probably doomed... you will see it hitting one mine for each swept minefield (my record was 6 mines for a DD once, before I built the present theory). With MSW only there is no problems... but you can't sweep hexs defended by CD guns...

Raverdave -> RE: MSW TF's (10/13/2006 2:07:33 PM)
Anyship can be a minesweeper.................once.

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/13/2006 6:34:36 PM)
today i decides to negate allied ability to sweep my minefields at koepang AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/21/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 14th Army, at 29,18 Allied aircraft F-5A Lightning x 1 Allied aircraft losses F-5A Lightning: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 28 Liberator VI x 8 F-5A Lightning x 1 B-25J Mitchell x 22 B-24J Liberator x 88 Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 51 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Port hits 14 Port supply hits 6 Day Air attack on 35th Brigade, at 33,78 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 9 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 21 Allied aircraft losses Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 51 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 48th Division, at 29,18 Allied aircraft Spitfire Vb x 6 Thunderbolt II x 20 Vengeance I x 19 P-47D Thunderbolt x 15 A-36A Apache x 36 B-25J Mitchell x 33 Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 163 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,80 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 23 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate: 12 damaged Allied Ships MSW Mildura MSW Castlemaine MSW Latrobe MSW Lithgow MSW Bowen, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW Junee, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 30 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships MSW Bowen, on fire, heavy damage MSW Bunbury MSW Castlemaine MSW Cootamundra, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW Benalla MSW Katoomba MSW Freemantle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,80 Japanese aircraft B5N Kate x 13 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate: 8 damaged Allied Ships MSW Bunbury, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW Castlemaine, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW Geelong, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 21 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Allied Ships MSW Horsham MSW Lithgow MSW Latrobe MSW Mildura MSW Launceton ASW attack at 31,73 Japanese Ships PC Takuna Maru #7 PC Kyo Maru #13 PC Kyo Maru #2 PG Chokai Maru APD APD-46 Allied Ships SS Mingo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 31,73 Japanese Ships PC Kyo Maru #2 PC Takuna Maru #7 PC Kyo Maru #13 PG Chokai Maru APD APD-46 Allied Ships SS Mingo, hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 29,18 Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 160270 troops, 1327 guns, 982 vehicles, Assault Value = 4037 Defending force 97034 troops, 902 guns, 854 vehicles, Assault Value = 2167 Japanese ground losses: 553 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 26

Honda -> RE: Air Losses (10/13/2006 8:42:40 PM)
Hi boys and girls. My first post here. Since I started my pbem v. Raver this AAR has suddenly become of some intrest on my behalf. I myself being short on time to read the whole story from page 1 feel inclined to come here asking both of you for short recapitulation of events unfolded thus far. In plain english, any chance of a summary of the war so far from both pionts of view when you came around with some spare time to do it?

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/13/2006 10:28:04 PM)
ok give me a minute and you will get it

Honda -> RE: Air Losses (10/13/2006 11:03:54 PM)
Hm...that's some minute here. Hope the story doesn't start with "it all began when my mom and dad met for the first time..."[:D]

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/14/2006 1:10:20 AM)
Sneer vs Raverdave - summery and calendarium main concept grab PI and Malaya ASAP and move to east india to secure burma area from usual 43 allied counterattack secondary objective on continent - knock china out of war in the pacific - secure more or less historical perimeter line early , stop and dig in - concentrate on force preserving and trying to defeat allied navy during counterattack in late 42/ all russia talking on forum was purely disinformation as east india was target. december 41 main thrust was in dei i resigned from PH attack and decided to concentrate in dei 4 Cv were used on singapore and 2 on manila / lba divided by 2 areas , cvl force hunted merchant fleet at PI /1 time zone rule used/ POW,Repulse 20+ subs and many more smaller vessels as well as few light cruisers are sunk in early days - KB made sweep through java sea - lots of ships in soerabaja hit and sunk /allied loose over 1000points in ships in 4 days/ malaya - main landing site at mersing secondary at khota baru , PI main at lingayen and secondary at lagespi , on pacific wake/ guam rabaul at first mid dec 41 gili gili north guinea and salomons underway by snlf units as well as gilberts clark field taken on 23rd after heavy fights as well as whole mindanao , rangoon force cut off base and rangoon taken by para - cutting off troops was mistake - i was unaware game mechanism and lost up to 3 weeks here singapore taken on 26th DEC - part of units designed for java and rest clear malayas , battle for changsha starts 30th dec australin cruiser force destroyed in 1st real surface battle and finished by carriers Hong Kong , bataan and Port Moresby taken on 31th dec january 42 RN counterattacks at rangoon - planes rebased to moulmain and Revenge and ceres sunk on next day 5th jan - batavia taken by troops from singapore - malaya almost cleared 11th yenan+ changsha taken and offensive in china takes momemntun 15th jan manila taken and luzon finished / troops resting and moving to east India as well as troops from malayas enemy surrounded in burma as paras take both lashio and Mytikina - burma roadd closed , mandalay taken without fight after flanking move 23th carrier raid against allied convoys in pacific , baker isl taken later raid against nomuea , Feb 42 again KB raids fat allied supply convoy at suva area very deep into enemy teritory / intel info air campaign against chinase resources 7th FEB soerabaja taken 13th feb malaya cleared troops free to use 14th palemabang taken - operation to take oil centres - landing at akyab 17th invasion of east india -150k+troops in diamond harbour heavy use of paras at asanol 22th rn cvs and small KB duel - both rn cv damaged - operation of finisfing sumatra , calcutta taken - enemy withdraws akyab falls and rest burmanese units is cut off and destroyed later - looks like I destroyed most of malayan forces and whole burmanese 27th combined operation against southern borneo - oil centers targeted attrition air war in east india - both sides very exhausted east india troops withdraw orderly / brave asanol defence by 18th inf / it was never my intention to go for karachi - benares and jamshedpur and borderline in india - action will be halted here / except air war till 11/43 / March 42 great hunting west of java - raverdave moves all merchant and navy to Oz and i find them with part of small kb and surface force - soon about 100 vessels is sunk in next 2 weeks 22th march 2nd cv battle RN against 2cvl - 2 rn cv damaged and retreating - meanwhile rest of small Kb underway and on 29th they are cought almost at perth and sunk 31th invasion on timor kendari and makassar April 42 last days of japanese offensive against lucknow heavy air fights 15th paras raids in deep india bases on 18th operation in east india officially finished - there will be fight over benares in next months but force preservation doctrine will make me moving them air units away and cover ports may 42 KB raids canton - pslmyra area - again light forces and merchant convoys caught and sunk mid mid may ichang and homan taken late may battle over kungchang late may KB in raids in cen pac again -palmyra region again - again DD and transports scored on 20th light forces raid darwin harbour June 42 early june - canton Island taken after heavy fights - offensive in pac stopped - units and supply used to fortify everything I have - game looses tempo 4e starts beeing more than nuisance july 42 - sleeping :-) August 42 few consecutive bombardment by Jpn battleline of darwin airfield September 42 sleeping :-) October 42 campaign in china is going to end as i move fast north of canton kweiyang taken November 42 - kunming taken - allied starts air offensive from northern OZ on 17th 1st allied navy offensive operation against wake - operation was expected and in 2 days combined fleet gathers at marcus isl area with counterstrike duty - 2 japanese fast transport TFs badly hit by allied surface forces some allied BBs are damaged from LBA and allied invasion fleet withrdraws after i refused to strike first. enemy tries to lure me into midway area - i refuse - end of story after weak of manouvers december 42 enemy Slaughter with ubercap my kwajelain LBA and withdraws on 3rd Yunan taken - both sides of burma road in my hands enemy only holds chengtu and chungking - chengtu taken soon and siege of chungking starts 15th allied fleet raids baker isl january 43 war continue as we decided autovictory doesn't bother us and we play till war end enemy raids canton on 5th 17th - biggest battle this war starts -////page 21 begins //// KB on perimeter patrol spotted allied CVE group / allied were in transport to pago pago and they were not concentrated 5 cve damaged 19th of january - KB loose cohesion 1 of 4 groups is in diffrent hex - zuiho heavily hit will sink later - 3 other CV are moderately damaged but ... saratoga lexington and enterprise sunk in counterattack 2 fast BB damaged too my damaged CV sent to canton and their escort was sent to pago pago to attack transport reported earlier - i thought allied withrdaw at night...Musashi+ kongo group met almost whole allied fleet - south dakota was finished and many other units were damaged enough to create separate TFs - they will be killed in day phase - my BB heavily damged day phase my fighters under clouds and allied strikes my damged carriers and BBs - I finish indiana in return weather prevented main forces on attacking each other raverdave moved against canton big bombardment group where he expects my flooded cv and BB - caught by KB - many hits on them and they withdraw - carriers were moved / huge risk / to makin 24 th - battle continues washigton sunk from earlier damages - wasp sunk essex and hornet damaged heavily / they will sink later / 26th and next days - pursuit after damaged CVE BB and cruiser in palmyra direction- many sunk february 43 on 4th of feb exhausted japanese navy hits with all BB and CA force ships at pago pago - BB sunk after that total result 6cv + 4cve + 4 fast BB + 6 slow BB+ 3 CA + CL and many smaller units sunk in exchange of 1 cvl March 43 elements of KB raids santa cruz area and scores on convoy mid march - series of surface attack on allieds in northern oz area- allied victory - enemy starts concentration there late march - little success - kb raids east of New Zealand april 43 again light forces attack allied shipping in northern oz and radar favours allied side may 43 i set trap on raverdave - i expected him to hunt my raiders of north oz and moved cruisers and far cover of carriers ( hiyo class) - kako and agano are hunted and than my CV enters action - however i ws too weak to finish allied cv force - many units are significantly damaged - victorious sunk later / page 33 A2A war gets intense - both india and timor heavily attacked june 43 again light forces battles southof timor mereuke taken by allied - 1st base retaken !! it will be retaken by japan few weeks later july 43 warspite sunk by sub august 43 - chingking take on 16th of august - troops relocate to finish 2 groups off base on 24th thursday Isl taken by allied - and as i hide combined fleet this base is not counterattacked - fleet stays in southern dei allied fleet starts operation against timor september 43 - 27th -allied cruiser forces tries to make preassure on lautem - many damaged and my surface force can't meet them october 43 - 22th enemy cv spotted close to bali - this time enemy has hellcats - i managed to move KB and set cap over my returning BBs - enemy is uncoordinated and looses lots of planes for my little costs - i decided to pursue enemy as carriers have only ap 60% of fighters and little attack planes - perfectly coordinated strike is eaten by cap and both sides exhausted moves to bases enemy feels unbeatable and from this point enemy fleet activity around timor rises significantly - with heavy ships visiting koepang next month

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/14/2006 1:21:03 AM)
i hope Honda that you are satisfied ?[8D]

Honda -> RE: Air Losses (10/14/2006 1:24:13 AM)
Very nice. I didn't realize the extent of punishment Raver got in this one. That won't favor me very much, he's likely to be out for blood now[:D]

Sneer -> RE: Air Losses (10/14/2006 1:29:05 AM)
he will be blood thirsty in next pbem [:D] ... or you will not see him offensively moving for a long time till hellcats come

Honda -> RE: Air Losses (10/14/2006 2:14:40 AM)
Oh he's thirsty all right. I didn't even give orders to go to war he was steaming with an invasion fleet for Wake [:D] ven went for Marcus. I'm still crying over the 8000 supply lost there...I mean, I did retake it, 5000 prisoners and all, but 8000 supply! Bah, enough of that, this is your AAR, wouldn't want to impose[;)] Good hunting to both of you[sm=00000436.gif]

Ron Saueracker -> RE: MSW TF's (10/14/2006 4:28:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent quote: ORIGINAL: Mark VII Why is it that when ever a non-MSW type ship is included in a MSW task force(IJN or Allied), it eats a mine or two. Same thing has happened to me in the past. In this case the Warrego was there to provide gunfire support and would be trailing the msw's and not leading them! quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77) � Allied Ships MSW Mildura MSW Lithgow MSW Launceton MSW Latrobe MSW Katoomba MSW Kapunda MSW Junee MSW Horsham MSW Glenelg MSW Gladstone MSW Geelong MSW Freemantle MSW Echuca MSW Cowra MSW Cootamundra MSW Cessnock MSW Castlemaine MSW Bunbury MSW Bowen MSW Benalla PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,� on fire,� heavy damage � My own theory is that when the last mine of a minefield is swept, it the sweeping TF had something else than MSW, then its flagship will hit a mine. So when you have a lot of small minefields, and one of your tranport TF has MSW included, the flagship of this TF is probably doomed... you will see it hitting one mine for each swept minefield (my record was 6 mines for a DD once, before I built the present theory). With MSW only there is no problems... but you can't sweep hexs defended by CD guns... I've seen this enough to start wondering myself. Something else for the patch gawds perhaps.[8D]

Raverdave -> Summary of the war (10/14/2006 6:44:58 AM)
1941:- Got my arse kicked 1942:- Got my arse kicked again 1943:- Got my arse kick yet again. 1944:- Just about to start kicking Sneer's arse [:)]

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Summary of the war (10/14/2006 7:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raverdave 1941:- Got my arse kicked 1942:- Got my arse kicked again 1943:- Got my arse kick yet again. 1944:- Just about to start kicking Sneer's arse [:)] [:D][:D]

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